BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.

Subject: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:23 PM

Word here in the holler is that Playboy has offered former VP candidate and Former Miss Wascilla, Sarah Palin, over a million dollars to pose nude for their magazine...

I think she should do it...

How 'bout ya'll???

Should she???

I mean, that's a lotta dough...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Peter T.
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:29 PM

She could afford that brain transplant she's been needing for so long, and still have enough left over for another shopping spree.

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: pdq
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:31 PM

The Democrats have demanded equal time and will be sending Playboy naked photos Helen Thomas.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:39 PM

GGGGGGAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


My brain melted....

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:41 PM

What about Michelle Obama? Shouldn't she get a chance, too???

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:44 PM

Well, bb... Michelle is hot in a quiet kinda way... Not exactly gonna sell many copies of Playboy...

(But, Bobertz... I hear that most guys buy Playboy for the articles???)

Yeah, and do I ever have a "bridge to Nowhere" to sell ya'...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: GUEST,beardedbruce
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:48 PM

Well, to be non-sexist, how about Barack in Playgirl???

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:48 PM

Rant on: Men are pathetic creatures. PMS, according to them, is the scourge of women- they never mention that they themselves are at the mercy of their own hormones all the time.


Rant off.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:48 PM

Nahhh--Michele's a class act, she ain't gonna go for that muff on display route, Bobert. You know better. Sarah, now, she needs the dough and she might calc'late, using her Alaskan Slide Rule, that it would help her chances in '012 to have her likeness in two-thirds of the garages, tree-houses, bachelor bathrooms and public toilets in the Western world. You could call it brand recognition. She would not come out of this adventure with her image unstained, however...



A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Melissa
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 06:48 PM

Wouldn't the issue contain a story about donating her clothes?
It would need something like that so readers wouldn't miss the pictures...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 07:04 PM

Ebbie...it is a bit disgusting sometimes, isn't it? I feel offended at the suggestion that our First-Lady elect should be considered for the satisfaction of such prurient interests. Should we have every one of them hang out their dongs?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 07:53 PM

Exactly how much does the photo shoot pay???

A cool million and ya'll can bring yer Kodaks and I'll bring my dong... Sho nuff will...

Deal???

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:01 PM

Playgirl folded and is only online now beardedbruce... but I would definitely be interested in a pic of the President elect!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Sorcha
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:02 PM

Yer disgusting.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:02 PM

Could we change the thread title to "Playboy to Pose Nude for Sarah Palin" and see where it goes?

How about "Bobert to Pose Nude for Sarah Palin"?

Then again, maybe not....


-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:11 PM

What, sorcha...you don't like naked men???? that's not what I heard....

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:17 PM

Heck, Joe....

If I weren't ahppily married to the ever foxy P-Vine, yeah, I'd get nude fir Ms. Sarah...

Well, she'd prolly be purdy disgusted seein' as, compared to First Dude, Iz a tad on the boney side but, hey, who knows... Maybe she has this thing for ol' skinny hippies... If so, cool... If not, I understand...

Ain't a purdy sight...

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:21 PM

Iffen ya ever seen a picture of Bobert, well, he's right. Skinny, boney, ugly critter packing a right good lookin' guitar.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:28 PM

Playboy ain't interested in no geetars, Rap...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:44 PM

yeah bobert! now how about your source for that little unpleasant 'joke'.
Maybe you like to suggest the same for Michelle Obama or any other woman you wish to demean in this way publicly?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Peter T.
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:45 PM

I remember saying to Rick Fielding one day, that he was the kind of guy who when the scene in "Shot in the Dark" of Elke Summer in the nudist colony strategically covered with a guitar would be able to tell me what make of guitar it was.

And he did!!

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 08:59 PM

Now listen, Emma B...

One can blame the news media, the stars, the waining of the moon, or whatever, but Sarah Palin ain't no ordinary womanz... No sir... 'Er mam...

No, Sarah Palin has become a winking, uneducated, characture of what American woman ***aren't***... She ain't no feminist... She is a right winged nutball... A former beauty queen... Every thing she says sounds just like an answer she woulf give if she were back in the Miss Wascilla beauty contest...

But worse than that she is suggesting that she might be our president in 2012???

That in itself, makes her fair game...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:01 PM

oh get a life!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:23 PM

Now listen, Emma...

In the last couple of days, Sarah Palin has put hereself out there in the media... She has all but beat doen the doors of big media... She has been on almost every major network selling herself... Just tonight it was at least NBC with her making supper for her family and talking, talking, talking about the campaign, her future in politics, etc, etc....

Excuse me but in doing that she invites a level of satire... I am not out to get Sarah Plain... I am, however, looking at a woman (person) who is playin' some serious politics right now to get herself in a good position for '12...

That deserves, no begs, some level of scrutiny and if I offend in using a little satire, then so be it... Sarah Plain is out to become the president on January 20, 2013...

That, in itself, allows all of us to do what we can, unless one wants a president with a Taliban mantality, to start early to not allow her to force her views on our country...

Thus, my satire...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:25 PM

whatever!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:27 PM

Emma:

You know, I worship all the ladies of the Mudcat, both individually and collectively, and I respect them no end.

But what you are up against here is a deep-seated protoplasmic millennia-old piece of mental and emotional infrastructure that rings all the way down to the DNA striving to split and double up. So much as I sympathize with how tiresome it is, I do not believe there's much in the odds of trying to make it go away by just copping an attitude and huffing up. I mean I do sympathize, but you're bucking something bigger nor all of us, so to speak...


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:30 PM

yeah with 'respect' like this I think I get the message guys

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:36 PM

Bobert & Amos... the more you shovel, the deeper the hole gets.. ☺

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:39 PM

LOL!


Well, Emma, I am sorry, and no offense intended.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:45 PM

Okay, lets get down and dirty...

Here is Sarah Palin's America... Vaginal check points at state borders to be sure that a state's women citizens didn't get an abortion while out of state...

That is what a Sarah Palin presidency would be all about...

All you child barin' aged women just sign up here!!!

(But, Bobert, that would never happen...)

Stupid stuff happens when stupid people are in charge.... Think Iraq here...

What, you women don't think that vaginal inspection stations can't happen??? Think again!!!

So, inspite of BillD's warnings, ol Bobert has gone further into the bog...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:46 PM

Just keep the President-elect and Mrs. Obama out of it...show some respect for them, as they deserve and have earned.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 09:55 PM

I tried...Lawd knows, I tried....

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:00 PM

Just have some respect for women whether they are the president elects wife, Sarah Palin or the women who make up this forum too.

No one has 'deserved' the sort of nasty sexist muck that is very mistakenly described as 'satire' whatever your political views.

You want to oppose Palin bobert? well then do so on her policies - heavens knows they leave enough opportunities for 'satire' without this descent into the kind of blatent unpleasant sexism that seems to be the 'norm' since the beginning of the primaries and which, I for one, am sick and fed up of.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:05 PM

And I thank you, BillD, fir trying to save my sorry ass... I know it ain't worth savin' and for that I am eteranlly sorry... Just like my poor ol' boney hillbilly butt, but...

...hey, if Ms. Sarah does the Playboy shoot, I'll buy a copy but...

... jus' fir the articles, mind you...

(wink, wink...)

B~

p.s. Hey, its friggin' satire!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:09 PM

no it isn't bobert, in fact it isn't even funny it's just plain sexist crap as usual.
As I said - try out your pathetic attempts at humour on some issues - nudge nudge - know what I mean?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:21 PM

Some Wisdom for Ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: katlaughing
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:37 PM

That's the best thing I've seen in this and many other threads, Amos. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:42 PM

Yeah, Amos.... That about says it all...

We don't need folks with old ideas and old values preppin' US for the furture...

We don't need ***the*** Sarah Palin's of the world, the Roller Derby Queens, the Playboy bunnies callin' the shots..

This is what this thread is aboput... For the folks who found it over their heads, I am sorry... Maybe a reread of all the stuff I ahve posted is in order...

Nah... Just click on Amos's link... It says it better...

Sarah Palin isn't the answer and we can't allow her to be... We let George Bush be the answer... How'd that work???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 10:54 PM

this thread is certainly 'not over my head' bobert it is rather a lot lower down in the gutter than that!

Palin was never a 'Roller Derby Queen' or a 'playboy bunny' however much you attempt to demean her in that way; fortunately at least no one else here from the 'right' or 'centre' of American politics attempts such dirty demeaning tactics against female figures in the politica; limelight.

I make an honest appeal to you once more to restrain your political opposition to very real ISSUES and not the distasteful mysogenistic effluent of your over active id

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 11:04 PM

Yeah, we had an endless string of "wink, wink" and more "wink, wink" and tons of sexuality poured on US buy thia woamn but we'fre 'spozed to just say, ahhhhhhhh, what??? All politicans wink at us, and dress up like some kinda beauty queen contestant???

Give me a break...

This woman was picked for 2 reasons and 2 reasons only...

She represents the rightest of the right and...

... she is sexy...

Let's not let those two realities get too far from our thinkin' here because that's "what's it's all about"....

Sex sells...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 11:10 PM

Brave Bobert, your splintered lance unlowered, your spavined mount slowed but unstoppable, your casket battered but unbowed....but you may have signed up in the wrong lists!! :D

Actually there is no doubt that Ms Palin has been used for her energetic feminine appeal; this is not a reflection on her, but I think if you peruse the threads and blogs from around the time of the GOP Convention, you will find a good deal of evidence that she created that effect.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 11:11 PM

... so, ...... Bobster ...... read any good books lately? ...... What do you think the Red Wings chances are of repeatin'? ...... How did you like my Larrivee? .... Got any of those feathers left????? .... Did ye shoot that bar???? ......

Mick


Stayin' way back so's as not to get caught in the crossfire .... a trick I larned in another life......

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Nov 08 - 11:20 PM

hahahhaha

Come to Mummy, darlin'.

And yes, Bobert. I do understand your point. As usual, you're layering some serious thought below the fluff.

I'll stick to my point about men's hormones. How come that's never mentioned? Surely testosterone has had more effect on world affairs than women's hormones? I remember an elderly male friend of mine telling me that he likes old age- that instead of thinking about women and sex every three minutes, he now doesn't think about it more often than about every ten.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 06:25 AM

I genuinely believed that this stupid schoolboy sniggering as a cheap substitute for any actual political thought/discussion would have finaly come to its sad sorry conclusion with the election of the candidate supported by people who called themselves 'progressive'!

The thought that this kind of gratuitous sexist smut will go on and on for another four years is an unpleasant prospect and certainly not one that would make me want to be associated with such a forum.

It is as offensive in its treatment of a political figure (whatever you may feel about her views) as it would be to make tawdry racial slurs which demean Obama and, by extrapolation, other people of colour.

I'm sorry but I find this lame brain stuff as distatsteful as any racism - carry on with your amusement without me.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 08:04 AM

Listen, Emma...

Well, three things...

First of all, Obama, if he has a sense of humor, hides it real well... That is not a knock on him... Its nice to have a thoughtfulll and serious president for a change...

Secondly, I am not Barack Obama and I do have a sense of humor...

Third and last, I doubt if this thread will last another 4 years or even 4 days for that matter... Hey, it ain't like the election was 6 months ago, gol danged it... It was like a week ago... I don't think it is unreasonable to have a little fun with it, oh, for the next week or so before it wears off on us... I mean, let's get real... It lasted 18 months so I don't think we can just get up last Wednesday morning and flush it from our thinkerators... It doesn't work like that... There is a little post-mortum stuff to deal with, too, and yesterday Sarah Palin was on just about every TV show there is so as long as she is saying yes to the media then she is fair game for a little good natured funnin'...

And this thread, BTW, isn't meant to be mean... It is meant to get people to think...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Emma B
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 08:26 AM

I think ........ I no longer want to read your 'little good natured funnin' bobert, like I said, just carry on for your OWN titilation I'm really not interested in whatever way you attempt to justify sexism

Listen

I have no wish to return to this tacky thread; I have better things to do with my day like cleaning out the toilet.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 09:29 AM

I am just wondering why the fuss? Has this got to do with Bobert & Emma B supporting different political parties?

This link is what Bobert is on about, so is only commenting on a fact.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24399856-5012980,00.html

I would show my donga for a million.
Last week I showed it for now't with the Urologist and I even let him put a camera up it, so a million would be lovely.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 10:42 AM

Emma B resides across the water, I believe.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Big Mick
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 10:55 AM

Emma's point is fair, and she isn't the only woman to make it in this thread. But she needs to lighten it up. And I resent her "stupid schoolboy sniggering" comment if it was addressed to those of us that were simply trying to steer our buddy away from this.

You want serious discussion? I am far more outraged at McCain's selection being made on the basis of finding someone with the views she has, but he chose her because of all the wrong reasons. I find it telling and sexist that he and his advisors thought they could woo the Hillary supporters by picking a nut who was equipped with nice boobs, a vagina, tight skirts, and a smile. You saw the Couric interview, the debates, and the complete lack of knowledge on world issues. As to a lecture on women being objectified, I don't disagree. But I surely am waiting for you to turn your wrath on those that would return women to the alley behind the Doctor's office, bleeding and dying. That is the ultimate objectification.

I get your point. I don't even disagree. But Bobert has made it clear that he was using this line to make a point.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 11:16 AM

Yes Sorry Emma for confusing you as a yankee.

Maybe Palin should do it and donate all the money to breast cancer.

Life is too short folks. Keep it light and don't flame each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amergin
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 11:28 AM

I think Palin is a disgusting creature...no matter how pretty she may be....

Emma, get off of your feminist high horse and get a bloody life of your own.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Rasener
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 11:40 AM

Do you know Palin very well then Amergin, to be able to offer such information?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 11:56 AM

Hugh Hefner's perspective: "Showbizspy reports that Hefner said: "Palin would make a great centrefold. I don't know what it is, but there's something about a really sexy-looking woman wearing glasses. Imagine what she's like when those glasses come off. It would be a new definition of the word vice in vice president.""


OF course, this is a perspective from a man who is deeply invested in the objectification of women and has made millions on that theme.

On a more heuristic note, I think there is an endless undercurrent in the thinking of people of both sexes who are of prime reproductive age (or a little past it, as in Bobert's case) which forms an "evolutionary evaluation subroutine", continuously scanning for optimum opportunities for species reproduction. And I also think, me, that this evolutionary trait is deeply embedded, no matter what social overlays one imposes on top of it in the way of manners. The very DNA on both sides drives it; kings do it, monks do it, bishops lusting after little boys do it (although in a completely perverted vector) and even pent-up Victorian spinsters do it, up to a point. Whether this constant undercurrent, like the drone string on a vina, should be left completely in the unarticulated background, as Emma would prefer, or brought out in verbal play as Bobert seems inclined to do, is entirely a matter of cultural preference. De gustibus non disputandum. (Everyone is entitled to bad taste).


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 12:02 PM

Emma's 100% correct,
and in sayin' that i do love Bobert like a brother!
Sure, most men get a kick from looking at pictures of naked girls, but I cant agree that this is "just good old human nature"
I believe that fixation with pornography is learned behaviour.
Long ago some guy worked out that this stuff could be marketed to inadequates...and I include in that a very large percentage of the male human race, also a very small percentage of females.
These inadequates are encouraged to believe that they can experience wonderful sex by looking and masturbating.

In my opinion, real sexual attraction is based more on taste and smell, than on the visual aspect,but of course these sensations are impossible to market.
The vagina, breasts and penis are just functional body parts, like the mouth nose hands and feet, we have been taught to view them as sexual icons, demeaning women and the process of pro-creation to turn a profit for slime.

From the political point of view, Mrs Palin has been pilloried by the Dems here, because some pornographer announced that he would pay for her to pose nude.....nothing at all to do with Mrs Palin!

If you want something to throw your hands up in mock horror about, just remember how the last Dem president of the USA abused his office and young staff.
That said it all, sex power and money. We live in a sick society.

Im sorry Bobert, I know you are a good man and I know your sense of humour, but its a serious subject really?......Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 12:18 PM

Danged. One of these days I'm bound to agree with Akenaton. Not this day, however.

You may be right about the root of sexual aberrations, ake, but I frankly doubt it.

Keep in mind that the largest, most sensitive, most innovative, most creative sexual organ is the brain, the imagination.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Peter T.
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 02:36 PM

I think it's great, and a true advance for women, that a woman as truly untalented as Sarah Palin could run for a major office. All the previous women in the public domain had to be unbelievably smart, organized, walk on water, etc. Sarah Palin is like George Bush and 99% of all male politicians: totally nothing, completely incompetent. At last there is some real, true equality!!

yours,

Peter T.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:07 PM

That is a hell of a good point, Peter! This is true gender equality at last, as you say. I wonder when chimpanzees and other primates will receive the same degree of political equality?

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 03:25 PM

I see what you're getting at Ebbie but I dont agree, what you allude to is again learned behaviour,
Studies into sex in primitive societies have found that fantasy plays no part, the natural process of sexual intercourse should be pleasurable to both partners.

Pornography and other fantasy props are a sign of a jaded palette
and in a wider sense,a measure of what our society has become.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: PoppaGator
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 04:00 PM

Peter's point is indeed very insightful.

I think this means that our society is more advanced in overcoming sexism than racism; after all, only a truly exceptional African-American politician has been able to succeed on a national level. So far, anyway. Barack Obama managed to get himself elected President only by being head-and-shoulders superior to any and all his opponents. (Lucky for us, by the way ~ us Americans and us world citizens alike.)

On the local level, of course, there are some pretty mediocre elected officials who are black.

Chris Rock has a pretty funny routine about how truly exceptional (and lucky) a black person needs to be for success on a high level (not just in politics, but in society in general).

He points out that he lives in a very pricy community in Alpine, New Jersey, just across the Hudson from upper Manhattan. The only other black folks in the neighborhood are big-time show-biz and sports celebrities like himself. (He named a few names, but I'm not sure I remember them correctly.)

On the other hand, his many white neighbors are well-off, upper-middle-class folks, but not necessarily world famous off-the-charts achievers. For example, the guy next door to him is a dentist.

"Do you think that any black dentist could afford a house in my neighborhood? Only if he had invented teeth!"

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 04:06 PM

Just for the record, ol' Bobert is 100% against pornography... I bought one Playboy in my life and that was because they had an interview with John Lennon in it... Okay, I ***glanced*** at the pictures (not looked) and was disgusted and never bought another Playboy or any other nudie magazine...

But when sex is used to try to get votes it ain't all that evil to do a little satire with it...

I mean, I generally do fine with Emma but I'm sniffy a little hypocrisy here... I mean, lets do a little review:

1. Using sex to get votes is okay
2. Using sex to entertain is evil

Hmmmmmmmmmm????

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: gnu
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 04:11 PM

Hehehehee.... quite a thread, indeed!

Amos quoted... "Showbizspy reports that Hefner said: "Palin would make a great centrefold. I don't know what it is, but there's something about a really sexy-looking woman wearing glasses. Imagine what she's like when those glasses come off...."

Yeah. With me it's the fact that her vision is diminished to the extent that when I take off my clothes she doesn't run. Especially if she can't find them in the dark.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 07:45 PM

Ake, I still don't agree- although it is possible that we are on different paths of the same spectrum.

I was thinking specifically of incarcerated people, disabled or otherwise handicapped people, the aged, the underage, and/or all those others who do not have ready access to sex-in-the-normal-course-of-events.

I see no justification for withholding sexual release or for disapproval or control.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 12 Nov 08 - 08:07 PM

Disgust is not a natural reflex, IMHO, but a culturally acquired one.   It requires the individual take a strong attitude of condemnation based on culturally-imposed beliefs, nothing to do with what they would feel if they were just being themselves without the baggage. It's a synthetic feeling.

Just an opinion, though.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: DougR
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 12:16 AM

Bobert: This thread is an insult to all women. Had the Republican candidate for VP been a man, would you have posted this thread?

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 12:23 AM

Well, I'm a woman and I don't feel insulted. Playboy, I understand, is quite mild compared to other things that are out there

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 04:09 AM

Ake said Long ago some guy worked out that this stuff could be marketed to inadequates.

Which may be true, but if so it was a hell of a long time ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 07:26 AM

Ummmmmmm,

The Iraq War and a MIllion people dead V. Playboy

Millions of hunfry children V. Playboy

5 MIllion jobs lost under Bush V. Playboy

Grobal Warming V. Playboy

I donno, Dougie... Kinda tough choices there....

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:05 PM

Thank you, Paul Burke...I was contemplating how to reply to ake....

Having worked in an 'adult book store' for a couple of years, I can attest that not only does **pornography** come in many, many formats and styles and levels, but the reasons for acquiring it are just as varied!
I met people (BOTH women & men) who needed information & education, as their life had simply just not provided data on what people DO...or when, or with whom, or how. I met people who were alone for various reasons, and gained real solace from images or stories of real people like themselves they could relate to. I met 'some' people who I am sure might have been a real danger to society without pornography to channel their urges.
   
    It is a real mistake to oversimplify the human urge to create or acquire erotic images or writings. Because society has such problems even discussing the issue rationally, we get opinions colored by personal embarassment, religious background, fear of legal repercussions, ....and just plain mis-information.

   Yeah...some pornography is startling and extreme and DOES represent a distorted view of sexuality, but some is tasteful and artistic and beautiful....and there is no truly clear dividing line, but a continuum of variety & levels.

Face it, men...and women... have ALWAYS had an interest in sex, whether in reading about it, viewing nudity and behavior, as shown in the link Paul Burke posted, or in.....pardon me... "getting some". Every individual is different, and broad generalizations about what is 'right' or 'healthy' will almost always be incomplete and flawed.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:17 PM

The proof of the pudding.. is that most posters to this thread are uneasy at these types of remarks/jokes being aimed at Mrs Obama.
As Mrs Obama is a bit of a heroine to Democrats, this proves that we all find the remarks demeaning and insulting to women, but as its just Mrs Palin, we turn a blind eye and have a good snigger.

This reminds me of the attitude of some to sexual harassment....."oh she must have been asking for it"

Is Michelle Obama more of a woman than Sarah Palin?   Is she a better mother? Is it because Sarah smiles more invitingly?
Why is it Ok to cast sexual innuendo at Sarah and not Michelle?

Double standards guys!
And Bob...please....do you really think Mrs Palin was chosen for sexual reasons?
Mrs Palin was chosen to gather together the right wing Republican base, she showed herself to be a good communicator of her point of view, but she was completely misused by the Republican party.
As I've said before, if the left had someone with the conviction and charissma of Mrs Palin, allied to the knowledge of a Kuninich or a Nader, then we might see some real change in the USA...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:27 PM

"Face it, men...and women... have ALWAYS had an interest in sex,"

Agreed Bill D, but pornography is not SEX, it is exploitation, Whether using men, women,children, or even animals.
Basically it is the final depths of Capitalism, a dirty murky business no matter how they try to present it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:34 PM

Bobz, you're very naughty....and very funny.

But more than that, I'm extraordinarily impressed to read that you bought Playboy for their John Lennon interview, alone.

What a hero, eh, Emma?

;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:40 PM

"And Bob...please....do you really think Mrs Palin was chosen for sexual reasons?"


I think she was. I think she started out as a Marketing Man's/Woman's/Department's Dream and turned into their worst nightmare.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:40 PM

"Double standards guys!" - Nope. I'd do em both.

"...pornography is not SEX, it is exploitation..." - Grow up. And don't bother trying to read anything into that regarding my morals or where I would draw the line or anything else. I like tits... in person and in Playboy. That is the way God made me. Nobody is trying to force anybody to do anything against their will except you.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 01:59 PM

no, ake...pornography is NOT all exploitation. Exploitation is a loaded word. The origins OF the word 'pornography' are little understood. It was originally, I believe "writings about prostitution", but soon got confused with 'obscenity', which itself is a subjective term.

To discuss 'exploitation', we have to decide whether that means ALL depiction of images of sexuality and nudity, or merely those where the subjects were tricked, bribed, forced or otherwise asked to do something against their will or better judgement. What if the subject(s) invite and/or create the material? Do we have to conduct long psychological interviews to determine compliance?

Obviously, much evil and depravity has been done to create some porn, and ANY depiction of subjects against their will is to be condemned, but is Playboy 'porn'? Or, because it is pretty tame by today's measure, is it non-porn, but still 'exploitation'? You cannot simply define it for everyone else. It is like 'good' when applied to food....you may like stewed vegetables with lots of onion....I do not. Some folks eat liver...I do not! Tastes vary so widely that on the internet you can find recipes to suit YOUR idea of delicious meals.....and so it is with 'porn'..or 'eroticia'. All attempts to define it and limit it are merely more of King Canute attempting to sweep back the waves on the beach. Yes, real progress has been made to control exploitation of children, and various safeguards exist to filter what you or your children see online, but these only work within a limited framework.

   People WILL decide what they want....some of it will help them; some of it will confuse and/or upset them; but 'value' or lack therof can seldom be imposed on them by others.

If I had a magic button, there are many images and ideas I'd *delete* from human access, but since I don't, I take care of myself and avoid such stuff. There's not a lot more one can do.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:03 PM

What I find really sad is that now that he is President elect, I will most certainly NEVER see Barack naked. He is so cute with his clothes on playing basketball! I bet he is breathtaking.. in the nude! Oh, well....Michelle is one lucky woman!

(And please spare me the priggish comments. You've been trashing Bush for eight years in every possible meanspirited way! You know who you are)

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: frogprince
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:12 PM

Gnu, you sick pervert... : ). To more-or-less quote whichever Justice it was, I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it. Trouble is, some see it in a bathing suit ad included in the Sunday newspaper, and some don't see it unless they see a "snuff" movie. Then again, some may not see it if they do see a snuff movie... I do think we have a runaway situation in that kids all over are getting soaked in appealing sexual imagery long before it can be healthy for them to "act out" on it. But I don't find much
credibility in adults claiming to be grossed out, let alone traumatised, if they happen to see images of things they have done hundreds, if not thousands, of times themselves. Yes, I've probably gone "eeewww" at something I'm not personally comfortable with; I can be as subjective as anybody.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:16 PM

Bill...Is Playboy porn, non porn, anti porn, exploitation, just a bit of fun.......all debatable, but one thing is certain,it is not sex....I happen to be a bit of an expert. :0)

Playboy is a particularly insidious organisation producing a line of childrens toys and clothing bearing the playboy logo.
I believe this marketing ploy is called "normalising the brand", so that these little girls may someday "aspire" to be playmate of the month.......Makes my skin creep actually.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:27 PM

Playboy children's toys for branding future loyalty? Now, that is just plain sick. Can you point me to a website that sells them? Not that I don't believe you... just want to see it with my own eyes. Thanks in advance.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:30 PM

Hi gnu...I like tits as well.....but like all Scots, just under the blankets with the lights off   :0)

But really I don't think god made us enjoy playboy.
I think it was more likely the society we live in.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:33 PM

Sorry gnu I cross posted with you.

There was a thread about the Playboy logo some time ago.
Maybe they are only marketing these products in the UK, they are in all the shops over here ...even Woolworths....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 02:54 PM

Okay. But, I still gotta see it with my own eyes. And, I'll bet you a penny Heff would need to as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: katlaughing
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 03:04 PM

BillD, thanks for your postings. well said.

ake, I don't agree with Playboy putting out the children's clothing, but I don't like ANY product line being featured on children's clothes. It makes them all prostitutes for whatever is being hawked, imo. The playboy one is worse, though, imo. I do not agree with your general comments on pornography, though.

Paul, thanks for the link. In the Didious Falco books there is frequently mention of the pornographic art in ancient Rome.

From Wiki:

In early times, erotic depictions were often a subset of the indigenous or religious art of cultures and as such were not set aside or treated differently than any other type. The modern concept of pornography did not exist until the Victorian era. Its current definition was added in the 1860s, replacing the older one meaning writings about prostitutes.[4] It first appeared in an English medical dictionary in 1857 defined as "a description of prostitutes or of prostitution, as a matter of public hygiene."[5] By 1864, the first version of the modern definition had appeared in Webster's Dictionary: "licentious painting employed to decorate the walls of rooms sacred to bacchanalian orgies, examples of which exist in Pompeii."[6] This was the beginning of what today refers to explicit pictures in general.

Some of it can really be classified as Fine Art, imo.

There needs to be a distinction, imo, between pornography and erotica.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 03:38 PM

Here you go, gnu..

Playboy merchandising

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 04:58 PM

ake... I'm glad you are an expert ;>)
We need more experts.... why, I am one also! What I am not an expert on is: why do 'experts' disagree so often?

Interesting though....most of MY ancestors were also Scots, and I don't require under-the-blankets-with-lights-off. *grin*...must be the local climate!

But, seriously...I don't care for branding kid's merchandise with Playboy logos, but I don't think that it ranks too high in the scheme of things as a bad moral influence. Remember, in all of history, the attempt to restrict children's access to sexual knowledge is fairly recent....and then only in certain societies. In Holland & Scandinavia, things are much more open. There is some evidence that people are healthier mentally when they learn more earlier. Some of the cultures which are the most restrictive & moralistic are also breeding grounds of the most extreme pornography. I will not cite details or examples here.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:12 PM

Oh MY! I stand corrected. I shall call Heff on the morrow and give him a piece of my mind... if I could, I would. I shall email instead.

Re "under the blankets with the lights off"... next thing, you'll be telling me you talk too.... naughty!

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:15 PM

Hey, ya'll, let's get real here... The woman craves attention... Just 5 short days ago we say her landing in Alaska and sayin' it was time to get back to the business of running the governemnt there...

Since then she has had at least one major interview every day and can't seem to get back into the swing of either being in Alaska or running the governemnt there...

So, hey, if she is that starved for attention then, hey, why not ring up Hugh and take him up on his offer???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: gnu
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:20 PM

Why take a million dollars from a smart man when she can take so much more from the stupid? She ain't dumb ya know... just unedjamacated.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:21 PM

From the first time, whenever I see her in those glasses, I thought:

"BOOM Chicka WAH WAAAAAW!..."

She just has that vintage 1970's repressed librarian sex bitch ready to shag filthy porno queen look.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Cluin
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:27 PM

Comme ça.

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Amos
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:27 PM

Ake:

The reason Palin draws fire of this kind is because she winks and flirts, and uses her femininity as a tool for public influence, while Michele retains a quiet, friendly dignity and does not wink or make remarks in a breathy voice as Sarah did when she believed she was talking to President Sarlozy of France. "Oh...soooooooo good!! It is SO gooood to hear from you....".

Michele's beauty is undeniable but she carries it with more dignity.



A

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 06:30 PM

Ditto, Amos...

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 08:55 PM

From the other side of the pond , FULL agreement with Amos ..

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 08 - 09:15 PM

Well, sometimes the worst intentioned thread will rear up and bite you!

So it goes.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Sarah Palin to Pose Nude for Playboy???.
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Nov 08 - 02:30 AM

Amos...you have got a problem.

My advice......dont go out at night, and avoid contact with woman at all costs....they may misconstrue your intentions.