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Flag Poles at Festivals

Mr Red 03 Sep 09 - 08:28 AM
Mr Happy 03 Sep 09 - 09:58 AM
bubblyrat 03 Sep 09 - 10:01 AM
Mr Happy 03 Sep 09 - 10:04 AM
Peace 03 Sep 09 - 10:06 AM
Leadfingers 03 Sep 09 - 11:53 AM
Valmai Goodyear 03 Sep 09 - 01:19 PM
GUEST 03 Sep 09 - 04:39 PM
bubblyrat 04 Sep 09 - 05:59 AM
greg stephens 04 Sep 09 - 06:19 AM
Mr Happy 04 Sep 09 - 06:21 AM
bubblyrat 04 Sep 09 - 06:26 AM
GUEST,Mr Red 04 Sep 09 - 07:29 AM
Michael 04 Sep 09 - 08:35 AM
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Subject: Flag Poles at Festivals - Insurance?
From: Mr Red
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 08:28 AM

They seem to be more popular than ever, good for navigation but there is a macho turf war going on. They are getting taller each year. This year one person (an organiser of another festival) told me he had not taken his down - the carbon fibre fishing rod had snapped! It was a largish flag so the drag would be enormous. More worring to me was the humungous Budhist prayer flag on a bamboo pole within clout of my cranium. And Aug BH 2009 week-end was characterised by winds strong enough to damage marquees.

Not that it helps if people are damaged, much. But how many of these flag-Polish people carry insurance? I am sure they would cite the fact that disaster never happened as guarrantee it was not going to happen.

Try telling that to the guy whos caravan was crushed at Shrewsbury 2008. And I was told it was a big showy official flag-pole that did the damage.

Last w/e there was one pole (the biggest I saw) that had 3 rope stays from 1/3 up and it looked like the erector knew what he was about. But his was the only secured pole I saw.

Will it take severe injury to alert The Association of Festival Organisers (AFO) to the danger? Experience say yes. Damage to property will be left to the parties involved. IMHO

Should we sleep in safety helmets? Mine is red.


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 09:58 AM

Some years back when I was going Bromyard, some chums were going too but because of work committments couldn't get there 'til late on the Friday & asked me to take & erect their tent there as I'd be on site much earlier.

This was in the days before mobile phones were available, so we worked out a cunning plan so they'd be able to locate me & their pitch when they arrived.

It was to hang an old pair of my friends shorts [not underpants] from a tall tentpole, that'd be visible to them searching.

As it happened, the place where I'd found pitches for our tents was surrounded by tallish camper vans, caravans & bigger tents.

Luckily, Jan's Blackboard Van was nearby & I was able to borrow some long bamboo canes to stick on the end of my steel tent poles, so the whole height was about 30ft.

When they arrived during the evening, they were able to spot it straightaway & we all lived happily ever after!!


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Mr Red , as regards danger, the rigid bits were tied to my car & the bamboo poles were slight & light & of course as soon as the object of the erection was done with, I took it all down.

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However, I do agree that some've today's taller structures could become a safety risk & site organisers should be aware of the issue


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: bubblyrat
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 10:01 AM

Personally,I'm all for it / them,and am currently looking for an Oxfordshire flag (if indeed there is one) and a Buckinghamshire flag for Karen---I believe it exists and features a swan ?? If there's no Oxon flag, I''ll be happy with a Sussex one,as I grew up there.
    As to flying the things; well, they obviously could be dangerous if flown/hoisted/supported inexpertly, and did I see a lot of THAT at Towersey last week !! The problems start when either a very large flag,or several smaller ones,are put up on just one,usually unsuitable and inadequately stayed,pole,during quite windy weather----apart from the danger of falling poles,there's the irritating rustling and "cracking" from Fly ends thrashing in the wind. I see nothing wrong with,or have no objection to,a properly secured,sensibly sized county,or whatever ( but PLEASE--no Scull & Crossbones or Confederate States...So "Naff" !!) emblem,but I do think that common sense should prevail,and owners / users of tall metal poles should be given a "talking to" about both the dangers AND the users' responsibilities towards other campers. I certainly would not stand for a dangerous pole within falling distance of our 'van !!


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: Mr Happy
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 10:04 AM

Scull & Crossbones?

Don't you mean Skull?

Sculls are for rowing! 8-)


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: Peace
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 10:06 AM

"of course as soon as the object of the erection was done with, I took it all down."

No comment.


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 11:53 AM

I wonder how much Public Liability Insurance Cover on sites is affected ?


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: Valmai Goodyear
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 01:19 PM

One way of marking a tent at a festival is to attach a distinctive helium balloon on a long string. If it breaks free it won't do any damage. You might need to take it inside before retiring for the night as otherwise it may bump persistently against the top of the tent.

Valmai


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 09 - 04:39 PM

Methinks you protest too much!! A flag pole might break in a strong wind??? Is there insurance?? I have been at various festivals where there have been flying gazebos and tents due to strong winds, I might add that generally if such items are adequately pitched and suitably anchored, according to weather conditions, there should really be no problem. It also raises the problem of tripping over someone's guyrope and falling onto a tent peg or other obstacle!! Where does it all end?? and don't say hospital!!


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 05:59 AM

Freudian Slip,I think -----I can almost reach out and touch Leander Rowing Club from where I sit! Yes,of course it should be writ "Skull" not "Scull", although the idea of a "Scull" and Crossbones is rather intriguing : I might run one up,and then get people to guess where I come from ! It'd be a damn sight better than a Pink Hippopotamus,anyway !


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: greg stephens
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:19 AM

I am with GUEST just above. I'vbe never been hit by a falling flagpole, but I've tripped over a lot of guy ropes.


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: Mr Happy
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:21 AM

BTW, I haven't seen Jan's Blackboard Van at any festivals for ages.

Anyone know if she's still doing it?


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: bubblyrat
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 06:26 AM

Sorry---digressing somewhat from the esteemed and colourful Monsieur Rouge's original thread matter;
      I readily encourage and enjoy the ambience,esprit-de-corps,pioneering spirit and general"roughing it a bit" feeling of your average Festival Campsite, but I have to say that I found the experience of being at Towersey for 7 days recently somewhat discomfitting. There are Health & Safety rules,for example,about the use of LPG in vehicles,and I assume that these also apply to LPG in tents ?? Well, everyone at Towersey ,in whatever sort of shelter,was packed in MUCH too close together for safety,and the H & S people and / or Fire Department would have had a field day.The guy -ropes of many tents presented a real hazard,both where tents almost overlapped each other in a haphazard jumble,and where some larger tents were actually guyed out onto designated footpaths : I saw many instances of this,and nearly got tripped up on several occasions in the dark.And yes,there were several selfish people with large,noisy flags oscillating wildly in the strong winds on less-than-safe-looking poles !Not to mention the dogs running free, DESPITE the rules to the contrary ! GRRRRRR !!
                Towersey is one huge accident just waiting to happen.


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: GUEST,Mr Red
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 07:29 AM

Insurance is all well and good, but it won't mend broken bones, it won't get you back on the dance floor the same night.
"it ain't happened yet, so it ain'ta gonna happen" will be re-iterated when it does finally happen. Time is on my side - I just hope it isn't on my person.

If insurance was mandatory it would focus the mind on public responsibility. But I don't see how it would be effectively enforced without killing the fun. But then we have driving laws that kill the fun and save on the killing.

Guy ropes are not 30ft in the air catching the wind. And there is a measure of personal responsibility in avoiding the guy ropes (alcohol is no mitigation), flourescent ones would be helpful and savvy folkies tie warning tape up the length to help the stumbler. Stupid ones run them into the corridor where cars can get them.

And without wishing to be anything other than factual but, a 20ft prayer flag is hardly talking to a deity - it is more like shouting. As a devout atheist I could expand on that view, but won't. One Brownie point for consideration is in order.


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Subject: RE: Flag Poles at Festivals
From: Michael
Date: 04 Sep 09 - 08:35 AM

Mr H,Jan's van was at Moor & Coast this year.
Mike


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