Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Smedley
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 11:00 AM

A very astute summary, glueman.

Still enjoying Taddylad's wonderful, parodic posts. (The Yetties indeed....)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: glueman
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:42 AM

Nah, they still sound like a 1977 lyric stuck on some acoustic strings. A bit we mean it maaan for my tastes but hey.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: scouse
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:34 AM

Who the F**k are "Show of Hands"????

As Aye,

Phil.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:46 AM

"When did Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed BECOME a way of life that is deemed acceptable???????"
About the time you all voted for Mad Maggie Thatcher to douse us in her royal wee?

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:24 AM

Phil Beer made that post in May last year, along with a number of other luminaries fed up to the back teeth of madlizziecornish's interminable, unbelievably misinformed mawkish mumblings. Among them Eliza Carthy who, as EFDSS vice president, thundered at her to keep her hands (and lying tongue) well away. Most heartfelt was this passage:

What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band. This sort of adulation is utterly embarrassing and I'd really like it to stop now.

Far from "shooting himself in the foot, he's more than likely on the point of putting the bullet through his head right now. I really hope he's not reading this although he does, from time to time, being an incurably masochist. I'd like him to know that his long-awaited box set is much appreciated.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 09:33 PM

Well taddylad, as a Yorkie, I congratulate you on the reaction you received and I am sure you anticipated.
Mind you, it's this stuff that although funny and as you illustrate, so predictable, has made Mudcat less a part of my day.
Al

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignor
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 09:04 PM

from Phil Beer:

"Ok Enough now!!

I pass through these boards once every couple of weeks but simply don't have time to peruse them regularly. I'm too busy gigging or recording and they are my priorities in life. I'm far more concerned with doing it than talking about it. Please forgive me posting this in one thread when it is relevant to several, and indeed to other boards as well. (Please feel free to cut and paste, anyone who chooses to!) The last bit of this piece is completely relevent to the thread.

LC. I don't know who you are, only that you are from my patch and seem to have seen us rather more times than is, perhaps, healthy. Maybe I spoke to you even on the last two local shows . I don't know. I understand that you mean well and that you feel you are championing some sort of cause on our (and indeed others) behalfs. Let me explain a bit about this internet place. Its not a universal fanzine. Its a genre specific place of chat and discussion for a bunch of folks, many of whom have a great deal of knowledge and indeed expertise in their subject. I know many of them as both friends and acquaintances. My band makes music that has one of its (Possibly cloven) hooves in this place and the other three 'Out There' in the rest of the world. Many of the folks here consider themselves as (self appointed) guardians of something rare and precious. I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with this. All I ask is that they maintain visiting hours so that I can get on with building the new wing (Crap metaphor, sorry!) whilst having access to the edifice. (Also a self appointed task) Virtually everyone contributing here decided whether they liked/disliked our music more than 15 years ago. Our task is as always to bring the music to a wider audience and whether or not anyone here likes or dislikes us is not relevant.

What is important now is that I must try and make you understand the difference between things like, say, the Folk Awards, the Mercury Prize and the EFDSS badge. They serve their purposes in order to obtain a degree of status in the world at large. They give us something to say about ourselves in press releases and are sometimes good for the personal ego. Thats all.

When Ian A pushed for the EFDSS badge for Walter Pardon, it was an entirely and utterly different ball game. The EFDSS at that juncture was internally and politically in a very odd place in which song took a very poor back seat to dance ( Hence---DEAFASS the Dance Earnestly And Forget About Song Society) I never bothered with the Sidmouth festival in my younger days because it was 90% dance oriented.

This small but significant internal award to Walter was actually very very important in terms of getting the powers to recognise that here was a person of great stature and importance as a real, living, singing, purveyor of traditional song. None of us can ever be that. At best, if we're very lucky, some of what we do may pass into the song line. It would be good to think so, however, nothing that we do can possibly be compared to what Walter actually WAS (To quote SK).

Please Lizzie. I'm delighted that you like our music. We are absolutely clear about who we are, what we are doing, and where its going. I just turned 56 last week. I still have the will and the energy and the best is yet to come. I can handle any form of abuse, misconception, or downright vitriol. What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band. This sort of adulation is utterly embarrassing and I'd really like it to stop now.

Sorry to take up everyone elses time. I'm delighted that the EFDSS is in the shape its in now. It bodes well for the future. We are not just passing through, we are taking it with us. Keep the doors open and the pages turning!!!

Phil (Should be in the studio) Beer"

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:00 PM

OK, and in honour of the Good Times, let's get this thread really rockin', 'cos if you don't mind me saying, Show of Hands new 'fans' within the Traddie world are absolutely bloody useless at supporting them.


So here goes....


Yeah, I watched the video....and I thought it was great!

Hear No Evil, See No Evil and definitely Speak No Evil set about plastering London in AIG posters, whilst following the Wankerbankers into their London watering holes where we see them living their idle lives, throwing back the booze, ordering the rich meals...walking the City streets with their bulging briefcases, on their way home to their opulent lifestyles.

And as they go through the gates of their luxury homes, putting their car in the garage, cars which cost more than 'we' earn in a year, they laugh....Laugh at all of us peasants, who have been practically bankrupted.

We sit out on the streets, homes lost, jobs lost, families lost, hope lost......

Hear No Evil
See No Evil
Speak No Evil


It is as if we have all taken a Silent Pill, one that renders us helpless from coherent, rational thought! We have all been so blind, so deaf, so damned dumb!

Even now, whilst these bastards are STILL paying themselves vast bonuses, putting two fingers up to the very people who have bailed them out, we still refuse to hear the evil, see the evil, speak about the evil!

We are all going to bloody hell on a bloody handcart here and WHAT is happening?????? WHAT are we doing???????????????????

Well, I'll tell you what we're doing!

FUCK ALL!

I have recently spoken to those from local TV and Radio and Newspapers and not one of the bastards has an OUNCE of courage to print the truth!

"We hear what you say, Lizzie, but....we can't let that out on air, because we may get sued."

"We hear what you say, Lizzie, but....we can't put that in the paper because we may get sued."


HELLOOOOOOOO??????

You CANNOT be sued for telling the TRUTH!!


When did Hear No Evil, See No Evil, Speak Of No Evil take over our lives?

When did Arrogance, Ignorance and Greed BECOME a way of life that is deemed acceptable???????

How do we keep voting in Cutthroats, Crooks and Conmen, time after time??

Someone, somewhere, sometime, has to stand up and SEE the evil, HEAR the evil, SPEAK about the evil....

Show of Hands are trying their damndest to get that message out, and it is up to each and every one of US to ensure they do. It's up to every radio presenter, regardless of his political leanings, his folk leanings, his Lizzie leanings to get off his backside and stop playing songs about larks in the morning and put this song on time after time after time!

And do I think this video is over the top?????

Are you bloody kidding me, taddyladdy????

This video is as excellent as Country Life and Roots and should be spread right across everyone's Facebook page en masse so that it makes into the major papers...

"Arrogance, Ignorance & Greed Revolt Hits Facebook BIGTIME!"

WE are the ONLY ones who can change what is going on around us, not our politicians for they are as crooked as the bankers. But it is the Corporate Bastards who rule this world and it is going to take the whole damn world united to stand up them, such is the Absolute Power they now have.



And THAT is the power of Show of Hands songs! And that is why Mr. Phil Beer shot himself in the foot, because Phil, whether you and Steve like it or not, your music, your songs have always had a bloody powerful effect on my mind, which connects with the subjects in your songs, because they are the very things that mean so damned much to me!

So I take back my promise of never writing about your music again, because this message needs to get out and get out BIGTIME!

And as to the posters? Was the bill sticking OTT? No, of course it bloody wasn't, in fact, they should ensure that those posters find their way onto the walls of every single bank in this country!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:12 PM

I know...it's fun, isn't it, Sue. The Show of Hands threads were always great fun...and Sweetums and I had a whale of a time. That was nothing compared to life in Longdogs though...their fansite...Now THAT was REALLY fun! We had Girl's Dorms in there, where the boys weren't allowed, and smileys shaped like settees, to hide behind...in fact, there were even Smilies that er...erm....got up to all sorts of surreal things!

Ah, happy days...

Even Ian Anderson used to enjoy the SoH threads.. ;0)

Good times..

Ho hum...

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,suegorgeous nearly home again
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:44 PM

This is getting more surreal by the post....

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 04:27 PM

No, that wasn't 'fawning' it was supporting...and Phil was quite happy to have it going on for many a long year, as we Steve...The ONLY time they asked me to stop, Sweetums, was just before 'Witness' came out, as Vaughan, their manager, contacted me on Myspace to politely ask if I'd lay low, so that people could make up their own minds...

That was right after you and I had had a real barney over the first playing of a track from that CD, by Chris from Reading Uni, who knew Steve and who, as I recall, was the inspiration behind ones of the songs Steve wrote...Darn it, can't recall which one now, but it was one of the major ones...Was it 'Roots'???   I think it was...

And that's when Steve wrote 'All Quiet on the Western Front', as he thanked me for keeping quiet..and I told the person who was acting as the intermediary between us that he was not to worry, it would be 'all quiet on the South Western Front' from now on...and he told me that had given him an idea for a song...

So, far from you and your buddies trying as hard as you can to infer that Show of Hands were hiding in cupboards at the mere mention of my name, they weren't. And let's face it, if Steve had really felt the way you all make out, he'd not have wanted to be reminded of any of my words, let alone get a sudden urge to write a song from them...

However, Phil is now recording many of the acts that you hold dear, and the Traddies have become a bit special to him, so when I mentioned that a Show of Hands gig would probably be far more exciting at Cecil Sharpley House, than a Walter Pardon exhibition, or something along those lines, the shite hit the fan, and I've no doubt you all went running to teacher, aghast at 'the evil woman's words' for taking the name of Walter in vain....DESPITE the fact that I'd helped Sam make a Walter page on his Albion Chronicles....but heyho..

Er...it WAS only a joke you know...although I know they're not allowed in the English Folk World. ;0)

Anyway, Sweetums, it's almost time to change into your Show of Who pyjamas and snuggle down on your 'I Love Steve & Phil' pillow...

I'm off to listen to this again....GREAT song!

REAL folk music! :0)

And I tell you what, I bet those Gorgeous Oysters could do a fantastic version of that song!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: glueman
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:07 PM

Can't bear SoH, they belong in the pit with only the Oyster Band for cushioning. Like listening to a pub drunk's rant set to some quite nicely played music.
In fact I shall go and see them at Holmfirth and watch whether they're as unsympathetic in the flesh as they sound on record.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:47 PM

I found it more of a mysery in an enima but then again, I'm uncouth...

:D

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:35 PM

I'm with you Mr Gnomo....Nope, I don't know who Chris is either...
Chris Patten? Chris de Burgh? It's a mystery wrapped in an enigma, thats for sure

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:26 AM

I still don't know who Chris is...

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:23 AM

Yet another point of clarification: I criticised you for fawning over SoH as a "boy band", and this is precisely what Phil Beer objects to as well. He's a serious musician, as are the Oysterband, as they have been for decades. Can't you understand and respect that?

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:15 AM

I am soooo spluttering down here...this is soooo funny!

Any minute now, Madame Pomposity will be along telling me off and saying how dreadful I am.

I wish messageboards could giggle...

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:12 AM

The thing is, Diane..I *never* called them a Boy Band...er..you did. You're the one who ridiculed them, I only ever supported and stuck up for them, in the face of all the vitriol.

As I said, six years is a long time in journalism...and The Lovely Oysters have me on their Myspace page, so I think I'm OK there...as they know I'd never stalk them, never did with Show of Who either, who I've never met, and who've never met me. But that wasn't part of your 'She's a STALKER!' plan, huh?

Anyways ups, long and short of it is that you and I seem to have swopped places in Phil's eyes, and YOU're the one he idolises...

Hey, it wasn't YOU at that gig he mentioned, was it? The one I thought was Madame Intelligenisa? The one poor Phil thought was me, who sent him running to the messageboards in absolute panic?

Aha! Now it's all becoming clear! It was 'La Borchester' who presented herself to him, in her 'I Love Steve & Phil' T Shirt, slobbering romantically over her new heroes...

LOL

:0)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: theleveller
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 11:07 AM

"I do so hope John Jones won't be driven to have to paraphrase this plea not to be stalked"

Hopefully, he'll just walk away on a rising road.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 10:21 AM

Taddyperson: I am not a Mr, a "lady" nor a SoH "fan". I am a writer who certainly likes the musicians concerned but preferably when they are doing something other than watered down soft rock catering mainly for women of a certain age who like travelling on coaches to the Albert Hall.

Part of what Phil Beer was driven to say to madlizziecornish was:

What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band. This sort of adulation is utterly embarrassing and I'd really like it to stop now.

That was almost a year ago. I do so hope John Jones won't be driven to have to paraphrase this plea not to be stalked.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Morris-ey
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 10:18 AM

She did not say she liked SoH, in fact she made it quite clear she does not like SoH.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: taddylad
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 10:11 AM

Dear Borchester Echo
I'm sorry I called you Mr before, as you are obviously a lady but I still dont understand how one minute you say you like Show Of Hands and then you say you do'nt

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Morris-ey
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 08:41 AM

A woman spurned, eh? Wonder how long "Those Gorgeous Oysters" will tolerate the stalking...

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:43 AM

And thoroughly likeable chaps as well. When the Oyster Ceilidh Band were booked at our festival 3 members stayed at our house (albeit thay had more hair then - like me!) and we had a very enjoyable time. So much so that when I heard about the first 'Big Session' festival I went without hesitation - Only been twice now but looking forward to going back.

Any other fans of the Oysters going this year?

Cheers

DeG

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:29 AM

Sounds like there's a few folks on this thread who need to get some blood coursing through their veins, because they sure are comin' over as fuddyduddies with their po-faced attitude about Show of Who.

So...I recommend they take a good dose of Those Gorgeous Oysters, at least 5 times a day, with food, and beer, and they'll soon find the blood pumping through their bodies and souls again, for The Oysterband not only make brilliant music, but have the best fans in the world who are intensely loyal and friendly...and to whom the band returns that loyalty....

The Oysterband myspace

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:16 AM

Who's Chris?

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignor
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:05 AM

Most bands would find having to publicly confront a fan and asking them to desist their obsessive behaviour rather unseemly and embarrassing, which is probably why it took them so long to say anything. But as your behaviour was clearly even more embarrassing, you finally drove them to it. Well done.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: mandotim
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:02 AM

Taddylad; I'm feeling a bit misunderstood. I think you missed the dripping irony in my original post. I like a lot of what Show of Hands do, I do a couple of their songs now and again, and I particularly like what they do to help promote up and coming acts like Isambarde, who are recording with Phil Beer at the moment. 'Not pulling up the ladder after you' is a worthy trait in my book. SoH have worked bloody hard to get where they are, and that deserves respect, even if their music doesn't suit one's personal taste.
For Lizzie; I'm not a new fan. I first saw them in Leek as a little-known folk duo twenty years ago, having listened to their stuff before that. Judging by your recent, rather hyper posts, I'd say it's probably a good time to review the medication.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:57 AM

Yeah, but..er...it took his SIX years to say it....

Now if *only* he'd said it six years back, I'd have not only been saved an awful lot of shite from your folks, but...I could have concentrated far more on Those Gorgeous Oysters!

By the way, the even more Gorgeous Jim Causley played The Oysterband on Sunday! YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! That's the way to do it, Jim!

:0)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignor
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:14 AM

As my name has been mentioned - Why do they need me writing acres of fawning adulation about them on messageboards? I'm pretty sure that, when Phil wrote that public message to you, he said that was exactly what he didn't want. In any case, I'm not a fangirl - I'm an event organiser.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Edthefolkie
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:09 AM

I'll send Miranda down to sort you lot out in a minute! She's got a strong right arm you know......

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:00 AM

No, I'm not gloating, Chris...I just think it's very, very funny, that's all. You have to read my posts with humour on this one, trust me, because I truly am spluttering out my cornflakes.

I do think that it's a great shame however, that SoH's new fans AREN'T writing about them...er...at all...other than to say they er...don't like their music...but er...that's what they guys want, because they love the vitriol and not the praise.

So be it, for who am I to upset them?

:0)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Mary Brennan
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 05:14 AM

Still gloating. And you wonder why people are nasty to you.

I was rather upset that you deleted me from you My Space page as I enjoyed most of what you said and agreed with you a lot of the time.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 03:27 AM

Teeheee!

I'm not quite a crumpled goat, yet.....but boy, am I chuckling!

Me, the Enemy....and You, the Fan!


Who'd a thunk it, huh? LOL


Hey, Sweetums, are you wearing your Seth Lakeman Bra *with* your Show of Who knickers this morning?    ;0)

Oops, there goes another cornflake!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:16 AM

fans like "Borchester Echo"

For the avoidance of any doubt (and to save any Crumpled Goats that may be reading this from choking over their cornflakes), my assessment of the work of SoH has been unchanged since their formation 15 or so years ago. The ONLY thing I don't like about Beer & Knightley is SoH. Got that?

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Soldier boy
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 09:40 PM

Sorry taddylad, but I've been wracking my brain about what reminds me about the 'style' in which you communicate and it suddenly came to me in a flash........it's Tom Hanks (great actor!) in the film 'Forrest Gump' - "life is like a box of chocolates" and all that!
You're a dead ringer man - have you been taking lessons - or are you the real Forreat Gump?

I think that you are just taking the piss here and that I have revealed you!.......but why go to all that effort and for what reason?
You are obviouslly not who you say you are so come clean and stop the silly games!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,eric the viking
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:41 PM

Good on yer Noreen.

I don't think this is their best album though I have almost everything they have ever made including Anglicana bought in Brussels when we stayed with Richard.

It seems a shame that (not them) there is such a "marmite" type polorisation with SoH. I do like A I G and recognise the sentiment behind the words. Poppy? I suppose so but SoH are like that. It's not finger in yer ear folk but it is folk style and folk music must carry through the years and social changes reflecting change. Most things evolve and folk music does and will do. Just look and listen to the way young musicians carry it off.

When asked why they have never played in Scotland, Steve said. "We've never been asked". so there is chance for them to get over the Border yet.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: taddylad
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:23 PM

Well I have been finding out some more about Show of Hands and I now have changed my mind about them a little bit as I have seen a lot of them playing on such Websites as YOU TUBE (which is a brilliant Website)on which they have done some really good Folk songs. So it seems they are quite popular and have a lot of fans,because of the way they put things over, with there singing and one of them is really good on the fiddle.

I still think that vandelism is not good and what they did was "over the top" but there song is about how the banks etc caused so many problems in the country and alot of people are quite upset too about them. Its like the old "protest" songs that Donovan and Bob Dylan used to write about. Mind you not all Folk groups were like that, eg the Spinners,the Yetties etc or Simon and Garfunkle.

I have also seen that they might get an award by the BBC,which I will definatly vote for them, and I hope that some of the people who have written here might too, especially there fans like "Borchester Echo", "aeola" and Noreen.

And I hope that people who don't like them,eg "mandotim", "bubblyrat" and Lizzie Cornish etc etc might check the Internet a bit more to change there minds like I did.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Noreen
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 05:58 PM

:0)
Back to the subject- I like the video and the song!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 05:35 PM

More baffled than the exhaust on a moped that has just been freshly re baffled by the baffle shop at the local department of baffling.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: theleveller
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 10:12 AM

Sorry, Lizzie & Co, but I, for one, am finding this all very confusing. I must be missing something - no. no. no...on reflection, I really don't want to know!!!!!!! In this case, ignorance really is bliss.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 09:15 AM

Hey, I think it's great that Ian's become a Seth fan! Especially after he tried to hinder his career...and...of course...FAR be it from me to suggest that fRoots use Seth's good looks to sell their magazine...Oh no no no no no.........nooooooooo

And as for 'Mary Brennan'...yeah, right...

Oh come on now, Mary, I'm sure, you be a visitor to the fRoots board an' all, as well as once upon a time to my myspace page, know how all the usual gang said how much they now respected Show of Who, after Steve and Phil said what they did....

Shame they don't respect their music, huh?

I did, but I have to respect both the artist AND the music for the inspirational thoughts to flow, otherwise, they stop dead.

I do find it intriguing though as to WHY, after nearly SIX years of me yattering on about Show of Who, and bringing people into their music, as has been said to me over and again, WHY it took them so long to stand up and tell me they preferred the 'vitriol' to my supportive words.   

I'd hate to think it was to keep in with the Traddies, with the new recordings that are happening, because hell, that would be so hypocritical....but...hey ho...

Six Years is a long time in Journalism, as they do say....

"Haul away, boys....."

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:47 AM

Personal feuds are best slugged out in a car-park somewhere, no weapons, but kicking, gouging and biting permitted.

Public fora are not the right place for personal battles to be pursued. Such puerile antics show all of the participants in a singularly bad light, and detract from the value of discussion, and subject matters in hand.

Many of us are heartily sick and tired of pugnacious and insulting postings by people whom, I strongly suspect, would defecate in their underwear if someone offered them 'outside'.

For God's sake GROW UP, the lot of you, or it'll be bed at six WITH NO SUPPER!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: GUEST,Mary Brennan
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:34 AM

Lizzie, when you write provocative posts like that, people like Ian and Joan won't write about SOH. When they do write about them, you gloat, just like you did when Diane put the link in. Just like you do every time Ian mentions Seth Lakeman.

Gloating isn't nice.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:01 AM

No, no....I wouldn't be organising a Show of Who show....WhatEVER made you think that?

I am hoping though that you, being a new fan and all, along with Ian Anderson and Joan Crump WILL be. I'm still waiting to read write ups from you all about their gigs...

'Tis most strange..

Still, I expect you're making sure that every word you write is filled with love for your new found heroes.

;0)

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: bubblyrat
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 05:41 AM

I have never liked SOH,and probably never will,so I don't have any of their recordings,and I don't go to their performances,but I would not wish to denigrate them on the internet,if,indeed ,at all----I think that PB is a fine musician,and that SK is a talented songwriter,but I just can't get tuned in to their material ! If they wish to be a bit "over the top" in the publicity department,then good luck to them,I say !

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:36 PM

I have been having one hell of a job getting youtube videos to load on my PC which is served by a wireless connection. They play for 5 secs then load for 20 and so on. Then I transferred to channel 6 and tried the superb SOH video and bingo - it loaded and played without stopping. It's a damn good song.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Aeola
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:04 PM

Good luck to them!!

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: Tim Leaning
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 02:17 PM

I hope they hit the big time so some of our struggling semi pros can maybe get a few gigs on the fallout.;-)

Sorry that was me.

Subject: RE: Show Of Hands - over the top?-Arrogance, Ignorance
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 01:18 PM

But we all thought YOU were organising a C# concert. And a Torbay Festival. And a radio programme. And a dyslexia campaign. And free bath handles for all. Bit behind with the arrangements, then?