BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism

Subject: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: olddude
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 03:21 PM

shoot me now or just pass me the koolaid ...
I think I have seen everything ..

here

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 03:33 PM

Story is he was abused homosexually as a child and has been acting out his anger. With therapy, he is recovered.
His wife says that this is not true for most people.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 03:34 PM

I'm sooooooooooo happy for him! I wasn't aware that it was a disease to be cured, though.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 03:57 PM

Oh sure, he'll be fine until he and his wife are in the produce aisle at Safeway and Gloria Gaynor comes on the intercom singing I Will Survive and he gets all disco-jiggy with it.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Folkiedave
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:03 PM

Lol!!

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Lox
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:10 PM

Oh God .....

... Ok ... I'm turning off the computer ...

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:13 PM

Lox: "Oh God .....

... Ok ... I'm turning off the computer ... "

Promise?

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: olddude
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:22 PM

ok we maybe jumping to conclusions here, he maybe cured, she may have his manhood floating in a mason jar!

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:24 PM

Too bad HBO, The Today Show and Oprah all saw fit to lend them some kind of legitimacy by giving them airtime. What a crock.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: SINSULL
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:42 PM

I suspect it is a ploy to get his profitable position in the church back. They made him leave Colorado and he ended up in Arizona. Not sure why.
From what I read the male prostitute was not his first transgression. His wife was told of others. Have to admire her for sticking by him.
A crock but no more of a crock than others who have been found with female prostitutes, weep openly and keep their lucrative jobs.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:46 PM

Hey... big money back at the church... she has a bestseller of a book. Who's the real sucker in all of this nonsense?

Yeah, I know. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:51 PM

Have to admire her for sticking by him.

Why?

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:53 PM

I'm waiting for the gay, cross dressing, Texan, who spends his days as a televangelist, his nights as a Catholic priest, and is secretly married to both Martha Stewart and Bill Cosby. When THAT story breaks Oprah will have a cardio meltdown when Bill Moyers gets the first interview and the second goes to Regis and Kelly. Regis will score a major coup when the guy reveals he has been beating off to pictures of Michelle Obama and John Madden.

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: mousethief
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:54 PM

Because if she dumped him she'd be out the money from his forthcoming "How God Cured My Gayism With The Help of My Loving Wife" book.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:56 PM

Its a MIRACLE
Its a cure from GOD into the hands of Revernd Ted.

Ted you got a new job.

Now all gay people need only undergo the Haggard therapy...Now only $60,000 for a 3 year emersion treatment.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: greg stephens
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 04:59 PM

So, why is the university called Oral Robert? I only ask in the spirit of enquiry, not being an American.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 05:04 PM

Ha Ha!.....With friends like you lot, who needs enemies!

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 05:07 PM

greg, that's the honest-to-his-god actual name of the founder only there's an "s" on the end of his last name, so it is Oral Roberts. You think his parents knew when they named him...maybe they were in the closet, too?!

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 05:12 PM

Gay bashing is a full time job for some peeps.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 05:24 PM

There is a documentary on Ted Haggard showing how his church did everything they could to make the Haggard family as miserable and isolated as possible. THis is one of thier favorite punishments. They ran him out of the State entirely. They had to leave thier home.
Homeless jobless living out of motels... still the whole thing could still possibly have been a set up to conclude with a "cure".

The suffering they endured looked convincing. (but there is room for doubt)

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 06:11 PM

look the guy's obviously a homosexual.....why are you "liberals" crucifying him?......arn't homosexuals allowed to be human......or is all this "fairness" and "equality" just politics after all?

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 06:17 PM

He's not really cured of his gay urges. His wife is simply taking care of those urges for him. She took the liberty of ordering a huge strap-on dildo from from Adam & Eve and now she gives ol' Ted's poopshoot a nightly workout. No need to go out lookin' for some guy to fuck you in the ass if yer wife is willing to do it for you.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Riginslinger
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 06:53 PM

It's hard to imagine they think people are that stupid!

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:07 PM

BDL! What images you conjure! Ya reckon she uses whips and chains on the bad boy?

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: olddude
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:12 PM

ake
cause liberal don't like hippocracy

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: olddude
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:15 PM

that's Hypocrisy can't spell today, its a liberal thing I guess

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:19 PM

Ake, apparently you have not listened to 3 or 4 hours of what comes out of Ted Haggards mouth. If you had you would understand the the kind of hypocrisy this man is capable of.

Akenaton I will not insult you simply because you slur liberals as cruxifying people. If you speak out of not knowing that is OK.
If you know this man very well and still think I have bashed him in any way, prove it.


opps I just noticed that olddude as usual has said what I have, in 5 words or less. damn foiled again.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: catspaw49
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:23 PM

ake, I'm more radical than liberal but I could give two shits less about his sexual preferences. My problem runs more along these lines:

"Anyone who calls himself a man of God and has more than one suit to his name when someone else in the world has none is a shyster......"
                                       .........Leonard A. Schneider, 20th Century Stand-Up Philosopher

I hate those televangelists from good old Rex Humbard on down......and I do mean DOWN.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 07:36 PM

Well Mr Spaw, we've had a few spats on here, but I kinda like radicals....Do you think we could shake on it?

Also, despite what some would like to think, I do not "hate" homosexuals.....My stance has always been against "liberal" hypocricy not sexual behaviour, I too am just about as radical as one can get....without fallin' off!

Donuel, dont know anything this guy has said, and I dont think it matters in this context. It just looks like like you folks are pissed because one of your "pussies" has let you down.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: frogprince
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 08:03 PM

I know this is an aside to any main point here, but: how'n hell can a church organization, which no longer employs you, order you to leave the state? .

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Lox
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 08:11 PM

Ake,

What you clearly stand for is turning every thread on here into a vehicle with which to bore us all to death with your long wonded rants about "liberals" "fascist liberals" and "liberal hypocrisy".

If someone started a thread about Marshmallows you would find a way of going on and on about "liberals."

Do you know what these guys are doing here?

Its a concept you may not get - called "having fun"

This involves a) having a sense of humour and b) being able to change the subject sometimes.


OK I'm not going to aid and abett the ruining of the light hearted nature of this thread any further - I'm out!

Enjoy.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 08:20 PM

Ahhhh... ake... "arn't homosexuals allowed to be human".

Am I missin sommat? Haven't you been trashing them on threads that are toward two thousand posts in total? Please correct me if I am wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 08:23 PM

Your wrong gnu.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 08:28 PM

Fine... let peeps read your past posts and decide for themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 08:36 PM

I see that his wife has a lot of items for sale on Ebay. Mostly brightly colored aloha shirts and Streisand albums. Also a scoutmaster's uniform with a velcro fly, which she claimed was "designed for quick access to dampening equipment in the case of out-of-control campfires." There are also several Souvenir of Jerusalem nipple rings.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: katlaughing
Date: 27 Jan 10 - 11:36 PM

Eeew, you are so wick-ed, LeeJ!**BG**

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Den
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 02:56 PM

"In that instant. I knew the importance of physical touch."

So, how was she touching him before that?

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 03:56 PM

Heh! Oh, my, but we're all having fun pouncing on the 2 Evangelical right-wing slimeballs...a regular swarming going on here. It feels so darned GOOD to find a target which everyone in the "in group" can agree on, and pillory without a moment's regret or doubt.

Would this thread be getting so much attention, though, if these 2 people were in a less politically acceptable category of target? I doubt it. Would their every statement and rationalization and personal feelings be treated with such delighted ridicule and skepticism if they were...

A couple who have fought all their lives for gay rights? Or Black rights? Or native American rights? Or women's rights? Etc? Just pick your favorite sacred cow.

People, you are enjoying your chance to judge these others, primarily and foremost on the basis of who they are...and who you perceive them to be. Right wingers do that too, and you don't like it when they do it. You recognize it then for exactly what it is.

It is no accident that all the great spiritual teachings in the world encourage us not to judge others lest we shall be judged ourselves, and found wanting.

But you're all having great fun judging the Evangelical slimeballs, right? I mean, they're just evil, right? So why not go after them? Why should I spoil it for you? Enjoy the feast.

Rightwingers have fun just like that when they go after Al Gore or Barack Obama or Michael Moore or Shirley MacLaine or Oprah or Reverend Wright or any other (for them) juicy target.

You're more like them than you think you are. You look for juicy targets just like they do. Different opinions, similar unholy glee at the expense of someone you decided to target.

It might just be that this guy's wife DOES genuinely love and care for him in spite of all that's happened. It's possible. You'll never know. Only the people directly involved will ever know.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 06:11 PM

olddude: "ake
cause liberal don't like hippocracy"

Missed the state of the union speech, huh?
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: olddude
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 06:54 PM

Sanity ... that was a good one :-) you win on that comeback :-)

LH you are right, and it is one of my faults ... noone's personal pain no matter who should be a target of fun ...

I stand corrected

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Smedley
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:32 PM

God bless America.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,999
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:34 PM

'"Anyone who calls himself a man of God and has more than one suit to his name when someone else in the world has none is a shyster......"
                                       .........Leonard A. Schneider, 20th Century Stand-Up Philosopher'


I believe the original was from St Basil who said that "The coat hanging in your closet belongs to a poor man."

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Smedley
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 07:48 PM

An American philosopher wrote a book a few years back called ' If You're An Egalitarian, How Come You're So Rich ?'. Good title.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 09:57 PM

LOL!!!

You know, when it comes to criticism, self-criticism is the surest and best path to both humility and enlightenment.

And in that vein, I might mention that I'm a lazy guy who spends way too much time posting on Mudcat when he could be improving himself instead or helping the world in some tangible way! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: mousethief
Date: 28 Jan 10 - 10:05 PM

Me, I'm not above picking on anybody, but especially if they're hypocrites. Say one thing and do another, or claim special protections for the sins you deride in others -- I'm all over that like white on rice. I'm sure when I die people will come from all over to say the dirt they got on me. Serve me right. Till then....

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 01:51 PM

What is pathetic, LH, is the concept that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured through application of Christian Therapy, or secular psychotherapy, or a good woman's love. Give me a break. The whole concept is laughable in the extreme, and is based on ignorance and in this case, convenience. I don't need a lecture on proper placement of my sympathies or sarcasms. If they are personal acquaintances of yours, I am sorry to have heartily offended thee. Otherwise, I find your self-righteousness, frankly, irritating.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 02:00 PM

I've mostly been avoiding this thread, but if he was able to do it, by whatever means, okay. If he couldn't, because of his lack of sincerity, and its a sham, well, there's that...that doesn't mean it can't be done. If your political views say, 'It can't be done', well thank you for your narrow-minded restrictions of other people's civil rights!

Hear that, Don?
GfS

P.S. Not going to go on and on about it on this thread. Anything that has been said, has been said, on other threads..except in this guy's personal case.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: mousethief
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 06:12 PM

I think people are saying it's not a physical possibility, based on their understanding of how being gay works. Their saying that doesn't affect his civil rights at all. What the hell can we here on Mudcat palavering in a chatroom he'll never see with people who hold no power over him at all, do that would affect his civil rights? He can say whatever he wants about his gayness or lack thereof. And we can disagree with it as we see fit. That's called free speech. Our exercising our free speech does not rob him of his. His civil rights have not been affected. He still gets to speak. Nothing prevents his speaking. See? That's what civil rights are about. Your ability to speak out about some issue without anybody preventing or stopping you. And nobody has prevented or stopped him.

You don't really know what "civil rights" means, do you?

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: katlaughing
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:00 PM

Well said, LeeJ.

And, it's not MY political views which inform concerning whether someone can "change" from being homosexual to heterosexual. It's my experience with friends and family over the years who are gay and the knowledge that one is born into whichever.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:16 PM

Mouser: "You don't really know what "civil rights" means, do you?"

Good grief!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: mousethief
Date: 29 Jan 10 - 07:38 PM

All I can go off is the evidence.

O..O
=o=

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 01:13 PM

Thinking you can cure homosexual urges is like thinking you can cure blue eyes.Science knows that that decision is made in the womb, not by the person.

Personally, I don't give a rats ass if he worships toad stools.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 03:44 PM

By the way the disease is not "gayism"!



It's "Gayboidular Overt Disgustsus" GOD for short...

however due to certain Evangelical concerns a new name is making the rounds.

"Flamboidular Pervertitis Gayosis".

PRI painful rectal itch, is thought to be a precurser to full blown GOD, which has many evangelicals scared shitless.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 03:57 PM

In reality what seperates me from other posters here is that I used therapeutic hypnosis to treat gay clients who wanted treatment for thier condition.

In my practice what I did was to program them to feel as comfortable as possible with themselves, thier thoughts and desires. "A comfort so profound that they felt no internal conflict" that used to torture and stress them.

SOmetimes thier secret was considered life and income threatened if they were a school principal or teacher. I felt that removing as much internalized stress as possible was the only rational and human ting to do. I never thought that thier outlook and desires were a disease. If there is a disease it is in the minds of those who think so.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 04:06 PM

Donuel, Did you have much success? If so, would would you say to those who said it was 'untreatable'? ..If not, why not?

I, myself, think it is treatable, but I agree with you, in the fact that it is not a 'disease'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 04:26 PM

Stress reduction is helpful in well over half the cases.

I did use PHS on a more overtly gay client who wanted to be rid of condition because he was told to do so by his parents. That became a willful battle he could win every time as evidenced by his absurd bending over to write a check at the end. Once I took the course of going with his own pride and self acceptance there was a better complience and relationship with his parents.

But no, there was no course taken to remove a gay mentality and no withdrawl from the lifestyle.

A student at a the Eastman School of Music that my girlfriend knew became so conflicted by his gay lifestyle that he took his life twice, the second time for sure with a shot gun at his parents house. THis is perhaps why I never tried to make things worse in treatment but create more internalized peace.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 04:42 PM

Further more, I consider sexuality to be a life and death matter, excuse the pun. It can also be fun.

We all know of little sisters who practiced kissing on eacy other so when they kissed a boy they will have an edge. We might even think this is cute and nothing to worry about.
Boys do this too in different ways but attitudes prevail that this is something to worry about.

In fact I think most of the hatred about the gay issue is among men who conceal a self loathing for adolescent doubts and worry about thier own sexuality. Yes the bigot is afraid he might be queer and hates others who truely are. Some of these guys are already physically effeminant and might have a name like Robin to make things worse.
THis is why I say the disease in in the minds of those who oppose gay people and lifestyles most voraciously.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 04:46 PM

edit
We all know of little sisters who practiced kissing on each other so when they kissed a boy they would have an edge.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Little Hawk
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 04:48 PM

I see no harm in trying to change ANY psychological preference a person has, providing the person with that preference has decided that they themselves WISH to change it. That's up to them, isn't it? If they wish to change it, then that's their private business, and they can seek out counseling. If they don't wish to, then leave them alone as long as they're not breaking the law or harming someone.

Someone, for instance, might wish to change their habits in regards to...

shopping too much
being too obsessed with sex or pornography
being addicted to "romantic love"
gambling
drinking
smoking
arguing
gossiping
stealing
being lazy
overeating
undereating
lying
being jealous
whatever

If someone who has been engaging in a secret gay lifestyle while also involved in a heterosexual marriage wishes to get counseling to change his behaviour in that regard...that's fine with me. It IS possible that such behaviours can arise out of traumatic early childhood experiences. That's an individual matter, and it's up to the person involved to decide for themselves whether it is a problem for them or not.

I've seen plenty of people who were addicted to heterosexual romance to the point where it caused havoc in the rest of their lives. They DID need counseling. Why wouldn't someone who was addicted to gay behaviour in some way or another also possibly need counseling? That could be valid, depending on the person...and the person themselves must be the one to decide if it's a problem or not.

This isn't a question of asserting your pro-Gay rigbts stance or confirmng your anti-Evangelical credentials here in order to pat yourself on the back for being so gloriously righteous and progressive and all. Who's impressed by that? I'm not. It's a question of avoiding the utterly tawdry instinct to obsess over other people's private lives like some bored housewife who buys the National Enquirer at the drugstore, takes it home, and salivates over the latest dirt about Brad and Angie or Tiger Woods or this pastor and his wife.

It's sad. Go watch Jerry Springer if this thread is your idea of a worthwhile way of spending your time.

You'll note I don't spend much time on it myself.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 05:06 PM

I never had a client that wanted to eliminate their gayness. All of them wanted to moderate or change as the result of other people's   pressure and expectations of them. I suppose there are people who desire a change for themselves based on their own desire, but I never saw them asking for help since they probably didn't need or want it.

Mind you the gay issue, was a tiny minority of my 12,000 clients.

Overcoming obsessive compulsive disorders and addictions have had recent helpful drug treatments but I would agree these conditions are best helped by some disciplined therapy or guidence.

Ted's case is certainly one in which his ability to return to work, and support his family is dependent upon a cure seen in the eyes of those who punished and oppressed his lifestyle.

Once again the fictional disease is Ted's, but rather an attitude of his oppressore.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 06:51 PM

It's more of a hormonal imbalance than a disease.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: kendall
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 08:54 PM

I've known a couple of people with one blue eye and one brown one. In medieval times that would be a sign of the devil and they would not be allowed to live. I'd like to think we have come further than that.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:19 PM

Kendall, Forgoing the bi eyed agents of satan who must be killed joke...


You reminded me that the defiant gay client had the strangest eyes I had ever seen. The year was 1983 so I don't know if they had special costume contact lenses back then or not, BUT this guy had cat eyes, I swear to god he had pupils that were vertical like a cat. He made sure I noticed and pointed them out before he left the office for the last time.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:54 PM

Donuel, In your sessions, how far back do you take them?

Regards,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 09:57 PM

Regression is very specific exercise' for specific reasons.

No regression was done in these cases.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 10:03 PM

In Derren Brown videos 'Mind COntrol' there is some use of hypnosis, (some apparent some not), which is jaw dropping for me. There is also some trickery and stunts thrown in to spice up the show. But if you are interested in various forms of modern hypnosis, check him out.

There were only a couple uses of therapeutic hypnosis in his videos but the one done on the amputee's , outstanding.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 10:04 PM

Olddude: "Sanity ... that was a good one :-) you win on that comeback :-)

I didn't see your post, till just now..hey, thank you..wink!
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 10:05 PM

Have you ever worked regression?

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 30 Jan 10 - 10:37 PM

Yes but not until year 7 of my practice, and only then upon insistence. It seemed to me those who were insistent already had an agenda. I worked in regression almost exclusively with UFO witness'. Mostly in upstate NY but there were a few people referred by Dr. Hynek when his witness was in my area. He usually used a Russian hypnotist in the Chicago area.

A specific regression was SOP when I collaborated with police departments to help crime victims including rape victims to describe the assailant as well as assuage anxiety or misplaced guilt. What i mean by that is that victims sometimes unfairly blame themselves.

But that was all then


this is now

wuts on TV?

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:07 AM

How far back could you, or have taken them?

Respectfully,
GfS

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Smedley
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 04:22 AM

Derren Brown is gay. This is probably not relevant, But just in case......

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Donuel
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 12:34 PM

sigh, why do you ask? Does it have anything to do with previous lifetime crap?

If not one or two verifiable memories from age 2 or 3 is not uncommon.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Smedley
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 01:26 PM

GfS is asking because he has a bee in his bonnet about homosexuality being '''''''''caused''''''''' by difficult relationships in early childhood. If you rebut this, he insults you (and in my case, insults my late father). GfS is all heart.

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 06:31 PM

Well, DO you!??

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: disgraced pastor free of gayism
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 31 Jan 10 - 09:45 PM

Donuel: "
sigh, why do you ask? Does it have anything to do with previous lifetime crap?
If not one or two verifiable memories from age 2 or 3 is not uncommon."

Thank you! No, I'm more sane than to get into the 'previous lifetime' crap.....I guess I didn't take enough acid or something!!
No, the reason I ask has to do with an extraordinary experience, that I witnessed that would be of straight interest to you. I would LOVE to get your feedback about it. It has NOTHING to do with the homosexual subject, at all..possibly could be applied, but no, this is something I'd love to share with you..however, I've got dinner ready, and will be back. Let me know if your interested, with an open mind. Add to your academia!

Regards,
GfS