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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: gnu Date: 12 Feb 10 - 03:59 PM You have to bind yer feet when you are young, RSteve. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: RangerSteve Date: 12 Feb 10 - 03:07 PM My 2003 Toyota Echo has been pretty good to me, although I recently had to replace a clutch. The gas and break pedal are too close together, and I can't wear heavy shoes or I'll step on both of the pedals at once. Someone else, on another thread here, had the same problem. I may get another Toyota, but it'll have to be a bit bigger, and higher up, since I live in a yuppie-infested area and I can't see over all the oversized SUV's when I'm driving. And when they're tailgating me, I'd feel alot safer in a bigger car. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: JohnInKansas Date: 12 Feb 10 - 02:56 PM "Brand loyalty" is a very good thing, since there is the presumption that the new thing you buy will be at least somewhat like the previous one you bought. It is possible, however, that attention to what made the previous one you best choice may slip into the background in favor of attention to "other features" before you come due for the next purchase; so it is always a good idea to look at the model currently for sale with a reasonably critical eye. The specific complaints about unintentional acceleration and erratic braking are "minor" if viewed only in the context of the number of reports from users, and the number of incidents recorded in official records; but if one of them happens to you it is a "critical event." Toyota assembly quality has undeniably slipped since the few years ago when they were working very hard, and very specifically, at making sure all the seams were straight. Their record with respect to functional defects has approached a very big zero. Incident reports on record with the US NHTSA include an unusual number of individual items, some several years old, for which comment from Toyota has been demanded by NHTSA, with reply - per the regs - required within specific times spelled out in the complaints. Toyota has failed to reply to many notices of suspected problems, and has given no indication that corrective actions have been taken or even are being considered. A notice of this kind gives the manufacturer the option of explaining that no action is required, and Toyota has consistently failed even to produce an argument. There is some feeling, within the industry, that the current "stop sales & production" action, is little more than a "grand gesture" by Toyota to reassure buyers that Toyota is willing to take drastic measures (on relatively unimportant items?) in order to divert attention from more common and more critical problems that are "harder to correct." It might be ventured that the order from the NHTSA to stop sales (on some models currently included in the Toyota response) might have been more to impress Toyota with the requirement to respond promptly to notices, on a long-ignored randomly selected item, than based on how critical the included item(s) are for the buying/using public. The (also current) recall by Honda, to correct air bag installations that kill and maim, has a somewhat similar record of "stonewalling" by Honda on the initial complaints, and probably is a more critical defect, so it's not just a "Toyota thing." The recent "this is not a recall" by Ford "adjusts" a behavior that is suspiciously similar to the Toyota braking problem, so it's not just a "Japanese thing" - perhaps. It's probably no longer safe to assume that "it's better 'cause its a Toyota," but the current recalls shouldn't bar one from buying a new Toyota if that's what they like; but a careful buyer will look critically at what's on the lot in addition to past reputation. John |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Don Firth Date: 12 Feb 10 - 02:32 PM I've had a couple Toyotas and a Honda Civic. All of these cars were exemplary and all of them gave me good, safe, economical service. Were I in the market for a new automobile, I would not hesitate to buy either brand. But I would quite probably go for a hybrid, unless there is something better out, when I decide to replace my 1999 Corolla. Out of the millions of Toyotas sold, according to all reports I've heard, only 18 have had accelerator problems, and Toyota got on it right away. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Beer Date: 12 Feb 10 - 02:29 PM Any type any time and now would be good, but can't aford them. Beer (adrien) |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 12 Feb 10 - 02:23 PM If your brakes don't work properly, or your accelerator has a mind of its own, those are not trivial problems. They put your life, and other people's lives, at severe risk. "The car in front is a Toyota. Better be extra careful!" However I personally would see a Toyota as likely to be a good buy right now - the price should be signifucamtly reduced by all this fuss, and they'll probably be extra careful about making sure they are safe, and about responding to any complaints. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Greg F. Date: 12 Feb 10 - 12:59 PM Absolutely. The Toyota recalls concern minor problems, nothing like the critical problems that caused the many recalls of US automakers' piece of crap cars over the years. This is another non-issue blown way out of proportion by the Part and parcel of the fear industry currently reaping pofits, both political and economic, in the "Land Of The Free" [sic] |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Feb 10 - 12:57 PM You bet I'd buy a Toyota. Anytime. They're great cars. I think this media flap is mostly about scaring people away from Japanese cars in hopes that they will buy American cars instead. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: gnu Date: 12 Feb 10 - 12:55 PM Well... I will admit that the American companies play on the fact that there are peeps like me. Case in point... Toyota FJ Cruiser. AMAZING that it is SO much better than the American contenders for about the same price. Really - the Jeeps are like crappy tin cans in comparison and they cost the same price. And if you want one with auto tranny and AC, you pay more? Idiots. No wonder they are hurtin. Oh... auto tranny and AC.... try to find one! Hehehehe... I asked a salesman about the AC. He was proud to show me that the doors and roof come off. I asked, "Ever see rain?" |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Amos Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:52 AM In a minute. I am as happy with my handsome RAV4 Ltd as the day I bought it. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: frogprince Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:51 AM Gnu, I wouldn't sue you, or disparage you, for buying American. Our Toyota wss at least assembled by American labor, while a number of the American-badged cars are actually imports for which American execs are getting their groteque share of the sticker price. We chose the Camry under odd circumstances. Some relatives on the wife's side had a bit of a windfall, and sent us a check to buy "the safest possible car". I knew they were really thinking Volvo. But we have no Volvo service at all convenient here, I was wary of the potential maintenance costs for Volvos, and Volvos are so rare here that I couldn't locate anything affordable except a used wagon, which my wife didn't really want. The "donars" settled for our getting a Camry without complaint. After their own Volvo became a "money pit", they bought a Toyota. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Bill D Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:38 AM If I had money..... I'll bet there are some VERY good deals on Toyotas right now. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: John MacKenzie Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:28 AM Great cars, just bad luck. They never tell you about all the other recalls for other makes, and there are quite a few when added up. How would you feel if they didn't let us know there might be a problem? |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Rapparee Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:22 AM Toyotas are made in Kentucky Hondas in O-hi-o Isuzus are made in Ill-a-noise With parts from Kalamazoo. Yes, I'd buy one. Except we're pretty much Honda people. Of course, a Toyota Corolla wagon gave its all to protect my wife when she was hit in the side by a speeding Buick station wagon. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: MikeL2 Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:12 AM Hi frogprice I agree with your comments. As as said early we had had several Toyotas Previous to that we had Fords...British ones. They cost us a bob in repairs and replacements. Since we went Toyota we have spent absolutely nothing on them other than services and tyres etc. In addition the after sales service in our local dealers is second to none. Cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: gnu Date: 12 Feb 10 - 11:02 AM I buy American... sue me. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Richard Bridge Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:33 AM Volvo! |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Mr Happy Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:24 AM I wouldn't buy a new car of any kind, they cost too much, 2nd hand far better |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: frogprince Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:18 AM In a word, yes; Toyota management may not be blameless in this, by any means. But this has been blown up to immensity in the media, and at the most it's comparable to numerous safety issues that have come up over the years with domestic cars. Our '04 Camry will be at 120,000 miles within a few days. My biggest complaint with it? When you pocket the key fob, it's almost certain to lock up the car doors, so they're locked even if you just step out to get something from the car in the garage. I filed down a protrusion on the lock button on the fob, but it still happens. |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: MikeL2 Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:17 AM Hi I had the yaris radio on....lol Sorry for not knowing how to place the thread in the non-music section. This is the first thread that I have started and I just followed the signs. Cheers MikeL2 |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Mr Happy Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:10 AM '..........want you to but American Cars!!' Oh, I'm getting a headache just thinking about it!! |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: RTim Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:06 AM Always - My wife is on her third in a row, and I have just changed from my trusty Corolla wagon that I used for 13 years After buying it used. My sister in law is still using it. All the bad publicity is because the media and government want you to but American Cars!! Tim radford |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Tally Ho Man Date: 12 Feb 10 - 10:01 AM Toyota Wilcox? |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: evansakes Date: 12 Feb 10 - 09:58 AM There's a movie connection....will that do? "Toyotal Recall" |
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Subject: RE: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: Mr Happy Date: 12 Feb 10 - 09:52 AM ...........um, where's the music connection? |
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Subject: Would you buy a new Toyota ?? From: MikeL2 Date: 12 Feb 10 - 09:51 AM Hi With the current situation regarding the recall of several models and millions of cars worldwide I would be interested to know how other people thik . Why ?? Because I have two Toyotas - a RAV 4 and my wife has a Yaris. From the details reased we knew that the Yaris was in the range of cars that could be affected. Today we received a letter from Toyota confirming our suspicions and that we will be informed to take it to our dealer in the very near future. I will say at this satge that we have been driving Toyotas for many years and we both have had several models with not the slightest bit of trouble. We have had no problems with the current Yaris either. cheers MikeL2 |
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