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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Apr 10 - 07:38 AM Thank you for confessing to being one of the others, mate... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 07 Apr 10 - 01:11 AM Ok I will. Thanks for the invite. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:11 AM "Bobert. I will tell you about a spiritual experinece even though it has nothing to do with this thread." Oh, feel welcome, pray DO join in with the rest of the distracting trolls... :-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 07 Apr 10 - 12:07 AM "Maybe my next focus should be on self-hypnosis, or more properly, self delusion. Now if I could only find an example who claims to be a number # 1 salesperson, and a former world-class teacher, space cadet and so on." I found one - ichMael.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Apr 10 - 11:57 PM Bobert. I will tell you about a spiritual experinece even though it has nothing to do with this thread. When the Wifey and I with all the grandkids are headed into WV we put John Denver in the CD and play Country Roads and sing along when we go over the state line. When we are climbing up Chestnut Hill road and sing Blue ridge Mountains I point to the left at Blue Ridge and when we sing Shenandoah River I point down to the right at the river. That gets me misty eyed every time. Yeah I know the song has "misty taste of moonshine" in it but we don't break out a jug or anything. Then up at the top after you go over the Appy Trail, there is a big hump in the road right by an ancient cabin. I stomp on the gas and the car almost goes airborne. We all holler Wheeeeeeee. Now that is spiritual. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:28 PM Old, my butt... My daddy is old... (Yer daddy been dead for a few years, Boberdz...) Details... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Apr 10 - 10:59 AM Now that sounds like the old Bobert. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:17 AM Well, that's proved that SOMEBODY is barking mad! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 06 Apr 10 - 08:11 AM Okay, I'll confess... The first time I heard Obama was in a cabin back in the Wes Ginny mountains and I was listenin' to his speech at the '04 Democratic convention on the radio while playin' gin rummy with the P-Vine at the kitchen table... Well, my fellow Mudders, tyhis is where the story get's real strange... I'd always heard that when peoples was hypnotized they wanted to go out and bark like a dog and here I was lookin' down at a fresh delt hand and I had gin right there in my hand... Now a man waits all his life to be delt a lay-down and I was just puttin' the cards in order and it was beginnin' to sink in that I had been delt a lay-down when that Obama stuff got in my head and I couldn't sit at that table another minute with that uncontrolable urge to get up from that lay-down gin hand, rush out the cabin door and bark like a dog!!! Sho nuff happened excatly that way... It must have been pone hypnotic speech 'cause it took me a good couple hours of barkin' before I come back to my senses... By then (sniff) the P-Vine had put the cards away, put her ear plugs in and gone to bed... Even to this day I can't take but so much of Obama... I gotta get up and get fresh air... Barkin' ain't good fir people... Gives ya' a sore throat, too... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 06 Apr 10 - 03:00 AM "Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques" was dealt with in another thread, that with no real need to link to it - "Proved" that some how the concept of this thread was relevant to that one... QUOTE Subject: RE: BS: How your Pensions will be Stolen From: Foolestroupe Date: 05 Apr 10 - 11:51 PM QUOTE Suggested reading (link to his website) UNQUOTE QUOTE XXXX uses pacing phrases to implant his leads. Three of his favorite hypnotic paces are "that's why I stand here tonight", "now is the time", and "this moment." These are things the hypnotist says that are verifiably true, and used to lower our critical factor defenses to allow implantation of subconscious messages. UNQUOTE QUOTE After pacing the audience, thus lowering cognitive critical factor defenses, XXXX then implanted the lead (hypnotic command), "and that is why I will be your next President." UNQUOTE Sounds EXACTLY like EVERY politician I've ever heard.... whether I've liked them or not.... QUOTE The critical factor UNQUOTE Your 'problem' mate is that you can't tolerate others who ALSO have a 'highly active critical factor' that works (and may even be higher than yours!) ... after all, you say of Mudcat "a forum where the members like to ridicule opposing viewpoints. That's fine".., so you admit to doing it too, but really get upset when given that acceptable (by your own terms of discourse) treatment. UNQUOTE Sigh - so looks like that Sawzaw and ichMael, if not the same person, apparently have their salary paid by the same Corporation with a definite agenda... I submit that by the standards of "MC-BS Argument" this is proved! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 06 Apr 10 - 01:31 AM So what was the Democrat's answer to the Republicans? Crumbs tossed to the Republicans. How can it cost $940 billion to save money down the road? Money we don't have. Sounds like a Nigerian scam email. The savings down the road is based on certain conditions that are not certain and that may be over optimistic. If you say the estimate is accurate are you willing to guarantee it? If there is any fraud to be eliminated, why wasn't it eliminated on day one of the Obama administration? If there was waste and fraud, not eliminating it already was a failure. What is in the bill to keep health care costs down and lower the price of insurance like the original purpose of health care reform? It will end up costing the same or more for health insurance so people making $200K will be taxed to keep the price down for people that can't afford it. They say once the American people find out what is in the bill they will like it. Why didn't we know what is in the bill? Where has the promise of transparency and no backroom deals gone? What happened to the no lobbyist influence promise? 6 lobbyists for each congressperson is what happened. There is good stuff in the bill and bad stuff. All the controversy is over the good stuff and bad stuff, not anti health care reform. This is blamed on "the Republicans" while 34 of "the Democrats" voted no. The Repubs were in the minority all along. The great struggle to get it passed was a struggle between the Democrats but a big smoke screen is used to shelter the Democrat battle by diverting the blame to "the Republicans" Then when it is all over the Dems are whopping each other on the back and crowing it was a hell of a battle but we got it done despite "the Republicans" that gave us such a hard time. What they have done is set up the conditions for the biggest nastiest campaign ever seen and they will blame that on "the Republicans" too. And those greedy insurance companies are going to get their ass kicked too, right? How is the Health Care sector of the stock market doing? All of their gigantic campaign donations have paid off for them and your congress people have sold you out because they need the donations to get re elected. It is not that hard to figure out when you filter out the partisanship. About the only thing we can do is dump out all the incumbents to let them know they are not going to buy their popularity with tax money that hasn't even been collected yet and may never be collected so it has to be borrowed. They can't buy success. Their credit has maxed out. If you want to believe this is a Democrat/Republican issue, keep dreaming. It is a what's in the bill issue. The something is better than nothing stance is a false dichotomy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Apr 10 - 01:10 PM Hypnosis can be applied to those who have a preconditioned agreement with how they will behave when hypnotized. In this way, the news media in the US has hypnotized many Americans. They choose to believe outright lies. This is as it was in Germany in the Thirties. But Obama is not Hitler. His values are different. In Obama's case, people want to believe that what he says is reasonable and true. There is an unwillingness to analyze his statements without partisan rancor. He has a soothing intonation that makes certain people feel good. It's reminiscent of a preaching style found in the pulpit. BTW, Reverend Wright was right in his assessment about the US even if he was a preacher. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 05 Apr 10 - 03:01 AM Shit?..Hypnotic???....I thought the amount of lies were getting boring...I was nodding off...... GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 04 Apr 10 - 12:20 PM Calling them traitors, terrorists and communists. Saying that they are going to destroy the country. Portraying them as evil. Saying "reload" and putting gun sights on their districts. If you believe any of that stuff it would be unpatriotic not to kill them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 04 Apr 10 - 08:43 AM See comments on "Katrinagate" thread... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Apr 10 - 01:19 AM Is this what you call screaming code?: "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" "I want you to argue with them and get in their face" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 04 Apr 10 - 12:58 AM I have not heard anybody screaming for re****ks to kill Obama. What are the codewords? Let me try again, peacefully and politely. Bobert: Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:40 PM This ain't got one thing about ego, Salwz... It's about a life's worth of living and watching what is going on... That is ego-less... The ego folks don't take time, for instance, to work at a inpatient drug treatement half-way house for subsistent wages for 4 years... 'Er teachin' GED in the Richmond City Jail...'Er working for lousy pay as a social worker for another 15 years or so... No, you got the ego part all wrong, Slawz... I'm just a guy who has had the aboslute priveldge of having alot of differing life's experiences... That ain't ego... That is a blessing... I woldn't trade any of them... BTW, me thinks that you spend way too much time obsessing on me... You have followed me from one website to another and kinda see yerself as "Palidan" 'er one of those white hat cowboys that tracks down the bad guy... Problem is that I ain't the bad guy... I don't obsess about people and spend countless fours of my life very week trying to disect every word ao someone here in cyberworld and attack, attack, attack... I'm not at all sure whay you do this... That is something better left for you to discuss with a therapist or psychiatrist, I donno... Just a suggestion... Your obsession is unhealthy... Yeah, JtS... Ya' know what I am getting purdy sick and tired of hearing is folks on the Democratic siad saying stuuf like, "We gotta tone it down on both sides of the isle"... The violent tone ain't coming from their side of the isle tho they are, I guess, trying to show grace here but, geeeze louise... The noise is coming purdy much 100% from the Repubs and their phony Tea Party minions... That is the side that nees to tone it down... If they want to debate, fine... Let's debate... But don't go strappin' on heat for no debate... That ain't a debate... That is terrorism... So, Jack, I'd love to see the Dems grow a spine and quit fessin' up to stuff that they ain't doin'... And I'd love for the media to quit propagating' the same Big Lie... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:00 PM Who is "out there screaming for rednecks to kill Obama" Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Limbaugh. Though their screaming is coded and very passive aggressive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Apr 10 - 11:50 AM Bobert: It is impossible for you to have a rational normal conversation with people because of your uncontrollable ego. You want to inject racism and or politics into to everything and stir up a fight. Then you can parade your smug elitist qualifications as proof that someone is full of hate and anger. You project your own hats and anger on others. Example: Who is "out there screaming for rednecks to kill Obama" Bobert? Let me try again, peacefully and politely. Bobert: Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Greg F. Date: 03 Apr 10 - 09:19 AM Y'all want to talk about REAL practitioners of mesmerism? That must be what's going on with Limbaugh, Hannity, Coalter, Savage & all the reat of the right-wing gobshites- otherwise how could they get people with even a pretension to intelligence to believe the obviously untrue and bizarre bulshit they spew? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 03 Apr 10 - 07:06 AM No, the point is that the US has a nasty little history beginning in 1619... Sure, it's fine to argue, "Gee, can't we all get along" and, yeah, we can... The reality is that were aren't... The reality is that there are one heck of alot of rednecks in our country who have had fears and hatreds passed down from generation to generations about black folk... Oh sure, lott of these people say stuff like, "Well, I live in the South and I've lived with black people so we doon't have those problems down here"... That's is 100% mythology... That story line has been repeated so often in the South that kids can recite it before they reach the age of two... It's required... Then these same kids are making nooses and hanging them outside black kids locker by the time they are in junior high school??? Now for the self-proclaimed "classless and free" here who think that "can't we all just get along" is all they have to know and think, it isn't all we need to know and think... If I run my car into my neighbors car then it is my resonisibilty ti fix it, right??? Well, white people held black people as slaves for 250 years and then Terrorized them with JHim Crow for another 100 years... And when we look around at the infastructure of America it was idsporprtionately build on the backs of black people... And they thanks these folk have gotten is to be stuffed into urban ghettoes (housing projects) with little opportunity to live a life where they "can just get along"... And then white folk blame these folks for their situation and fell all smug and superior and th us thiings like the Tea Party and and other hate groups springing up when a black man becomes, ahhhhhh, president??? So yeah, there is a major difference between the races that isn't about DNA.... IT's about white people's superior attitudes and white people's lack of historical perspcetive anf white people greed... No, I'm not talking about all white people but I am talking about alot of them who don't see or recognize their own racists feelings until a black man become president... That's where "can't we all just get along" ends in their book... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 03 Apr 10 - 01:18 AM Yes you are right Jack but it goes the other way too. Any way my point is, what are the differences that would justify treating someone differently. Would you want someone to treat you differently than they would treat anyone else? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 10 - 04:49 PM Then there are differences among ethnic groups within races. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: PoppaGator Date: 02 Apr 10 - 03:16 PM European white guys can't be much different genetically from American white guys ~ but plenty of them complete quite effectively with the Africans and African-Americans in the NBA, while there are very very few white Americans doing very well at all. David Lee is a legitimate young star, and then there's Troy Murphy and Mike Dunleavy Jr (solid players but hardly superstars). Steve Nash doesn't count ~ he's from Vancouver and grew up playing soccer... When I was running high school track, it was pretty obvious that black kids dominated the sprints while us whities had the distance-running events pretty much to ourselves. But then the Ethiopians and Kenyans burst onto the international scene as the best long-distance runners of all. Go figure. Culture and expectations must be part of the equation, but genetics is part of it too ~ not just the differences between "races" (or nations, or clans, or whatever teminology you prefer for groups of genetically-related individuals) but between individuals as well. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 02 Apr 10 - 02:03 PM >>I don't think being part Thai has any bearing.<< It is a good indication that his skill doesn't come from being black. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 02 Apr 10 - 01:04 AM This is not going to be a touchy subject as long as racisim and politics is checked at the door. I just hope some people are not just waiting to attack in an attempt to turn it racial and or political. I still say it is possible to have a rational discussion without either. I believe it would be even more rational without either. "There is one BIG difference between Black and White people: perception of treatment."- That is a pretty good one but it is not physical. Better at sports because of certain physical attributes is good. humans are 99.999% genetically similar-that is a good very point also. I don't think being part Thai has any bearing. Any other differences? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 01 Apr 10 - 11:52 PM Hmmmm. I've never quite known the utilitarian aspect of tinfoil hats. From what you say, Bill D, they are meant to enhance reception? I had thought they might block unwanted information. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 01 Apr 10 - 10:06 PM Boy, that's an OLD hat. No one has made TINfoil for many years. But I assume the reception is pretty good with aluminum, too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Apr 10 - 06:25 PM Sorry, that was BillD Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 01 Apr 10 - 06:23 PM ""Would you care to enlighten me as to how YOU learn, process and analyze the news about our country and world?"" It's beamed in to the built in antenna in his tinfoil hat Poppa, straight from Republican HQ. Confirmation is by SickMail. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 01 Apr 10 - 06:16 PM Ebbie... the list is, by definition a **generalization**. It explains 'some' things. There are obviously exceptions to the "White men can't jump" rule, too. I KNOW that humans are 99.999% genetically similar. I KNOW that it is dangerous to make too much over the small differences, but evolution DOES create some differences in localized populations. We see it in birds, bears, butterflies and bees....and it happens in humans, whether it is PC to take note of those small differences or not. "I suspect it has a good deal more to do with 'hunger' than with inherent characteristics." I'm afraid it is easier to measure variation in muscle structure and enzyme levels than 'hunger' and 'motivation', and it would be helpful if we DID know exactly what these minor variations mean. We KNOW that sickle-cell disease is relevant, because we need to help those afflicted. Genetic differences allow Inuit people to endure cold better and survive on a diet with almost no vegetables....and it's no shame to have or NOT have that gene.....it just is. Why am I climbing out on this limb when it is such a touchy topic? Because the point is that everyone should be given a fair chance to do and participate in whatever endeavors they choose to, and to excel as it works! 60 years ago, the NBA was about 100% white players...today, it is a large majority black, and people still are quite happy watching the best basketball players compete...as they should be. I have spent my life arguing for fairness and equal opportunity, but I also argue for truth and accuracy and knowledge, no matter where it leads. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 10 - 05:35 PM Tiger Woods is Half Thai He is the best athlete in his sport. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 01 Apr 10 - 05:30 PM Bill D, I have a problem with that listing. I remember quite clearly and not too long ago when the official dictum was that Black people couldn't swim. Charley Pride, the country singer, said that when he heard that one he had to go find out, and sure enough, he could swim... What happens to that list when one is not *all* Black? My guess is that few American African-Americans are all any one thing. And yet, they tend to put white athletes in the shade. I suspect it has a good deal more to do with 'hunger' than with inherent characteristics. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:40 PM There is only one human race. There is far far more variation within any of the traditionally recognized races than between them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:07 PM "Are there any other differences anybody can add to this?" "White men can't jump" ...which is not really a joke. One of the evolutionary advantages of some blacks, along with extra resistance to UV light, is a slightly different muscle structure. Add to this the 'selection' process during slavery where deliberate breeding was done to produce stronger field hands,,,, I found many examples like the following. I do NOT claim that any particular details are 100% accurate, only that there are various scientific tests which seem to verify observation that in some sports, there is a natural advantage. "Compared to Whites, Blacks have narrower hips which gives them a more efficient stride. They have a shorter sitting height which provides a higher center of gravity and a better balance. They have wider shoulders, less body fat, and more muscle. Their muscles include more fast twitch muscles which produce power. Blacks have from 3 to 19% more of the sex hormone testosterone than Whites or East Asians. The testosterone translates into more explosive energy. ..... these physical advantages give Blacks the edge in sports like boxing, basketball, football, and sprinting. However, some of theserace differences pose a problem for Black swimmers. Heavier skeletons and smaller chest cavities limit their performance." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Ebbie Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:12 AM Not political? Then, Sawz, you are on a different agenda, but an agenda for a' that. There are other differences, of course. Cultural differences, for one. But that is not due to skin color- there are people all over this country who would barely recognize the differences in each other's culture and would not understand them if they did. There is one BIG difference between Black and White people: perception of treatment. In a society dominated by one color, anyone not of that color cannot be certain of how they will be treated in a given situation. (It just occurred to me: In a society dominated by one gender or of one sexual preference, anyone not of that gender or that sexual preference cannot be certain of how they will be treated in a given situation.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 01 Apr 10 - 02:00 AM Amos says skin pigmentation is the only difference. Good. I agree with that. Are there any other differences anybody can add to this? Come on now, this is not about politics. I promise. Some people are actually capable of having a non political discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Amos Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:36 PM Sawz: By definition, their skin pigmentation. Any other questions we can help with? A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 30 Mar 10 - 08:34 PM Okay, smartest man in the world... What party do you think I have spent most of my life supporting, working for and voting for??? If you guessed the Democratic Party, yer wrong... As per usual... Guess again... BTW, Google up "1619" for a major clue on the difference between white and black folks... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 30 Mar 10 - 07:25 PM Bobert: You respond with the partisan bullshit you wrongfully accuse me of. I answered your question politely and you respond with your usual hate filled rhetoric. If you don't mind me using the standars you set for others, already you are running from a straight up question like a pig from a gun with retoric. What are you hiding? All I can see is someone filled with hate who won't come clean. You are trying to goad me into a political statement so you and avoid giving honest, non political answers. What happened to all the lousy typing? Tired of that game already? Tiger Woods and Elliot Spitzer would be a good start. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Jack the Sailor Date: 30 Mar 10 - 05:58 PM "I just want to know the differences between black people and white people in any aspect." Like the difference between Tiger Woods and Elliot Spitzer? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 30 Mar 10 - 05:37 PM Why do you want to know, Sawz??? Plus, if you have really been paying asttention to my postings ove the years you would allready have a purdy good idea... As for politics... There's a reason that black folks tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats... It was the Democrats who in the face of massive resistence from the right put their balls on the line and pushed thru the Civil Rights Act... Lyndon Johnson is reported to have said that in doing so that the Democfratic Party would suffer for decades... He was right... Look at the South... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Sawzaw Date: 30 Mar 10 - 12:54 PM Bobert: What cut and paste? I just want to know the differences between black people and white people in any aspect. Why are you already talking about partisan bullshit? I didn't know that the differences had anything to do with politics. I will answer your questions a good as I can providing they are not complex questions. Just simple straight up questions and I will do the same. Let's keep politics out of it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bobert Date: 29 Mar 10 - 07:44 PM What ecxactly do you mean, Sawz??? I mean, yeah... There are differences bewteen black folks and white folks... Exactly what aspect do you wnat to discuss and why??? Please... No cut 'n posts... Just answer the question and if it looks like something worth talking about we can do that.... If it's yer usual... You know, partisan bullshit then... ...maybe not... As fir hitting the nail on the head, p-gator has is completely correct... He is describing the "institutional racism" that many white people have... Sure, they will say stuff like "Well, I'm from the South and we don't have those problems here because ________________________________..." This all learned bullshit... Of course they have the problems of racism... But the worst part about it is that they don't see in in themselves... That is why we call it "institutional" in that their entire culture brainwashes them into thinking that they don't have a problem with racism... There in no "critical thinking" here... It's way beyond that... That is also the problem I find with a number of people here... They are very self righteous about how "class and free" (John Lennon) they ***think*** they are buit they are products of this same culture that has them all thinking alike and reacting alike... Yeah, too many Joe the Plumbers in America for America's good... Well meaning perhaps but so brainwashed that they are incapable of looking at themselves in terms of why they have these ***feelings***... B~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 29 Mar 10 - 07:18 PM Some seem to imply that whatever Obama 'does' is sneaky or cheating...or worse. I remember many years ago watching a cocky young guitar player trying to follow what a friend of mine was doing on the banjo....it was baffling him. My friend said "What's wrong?" The kid replied "That's HARD!" So my friend picked up his own guitar and played the tune...with ease.... fingers barely moving on the frets. (Seems he had his guitar in open tuning) The kid watched for a bit then blurted.. "You're CHEATING!" So...my friend took the kid's guitar out of his hands and played the tune the hard way...with the fancy fingering! After that, the kid watched and listened a lot, having realized he had a LOT to learn, and that talent was not necessarily cheating or a sneaky trick. I wonder if those who make snide remarks about Obama 'using a teleprompter' or giving excellent speeches will ever realize that he is just an intelligent, practiced speaker who CAN speak quite well without a teleprompter, and who knows his subject matter. (DO remember, good 'ol Ronnie Reagan began as an actor and had spent many years learning how to deliver his message. I don't remember anyone suggesting it was 'unfair'.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Greg F. Date: 29 Mar 10 - 05:45 PM Does no-one ever become tired of providing the same factual information and making the same logical points over and over- in some cases literally for years- to Douggie-boy to absolutely no avail? Don't you have more productive things to do- like pounding salt down rat-holes for example? This particular horse has been [brain]dead from the get-go, but y'all keep on a-beatin'..... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Big Mick Date: 29 Mar 10 - 05:26 PM That is an important point that Bill D makes. As is well known in these precincts, I have strong opinions and argue them forcefully. As you might guess, that carries over into my 3D conversations as well. I am often accused of being difficult to debate because, "you are a natural born debator, it's in your genes...." which is usually said with a bit of venom by someone who debates using someone elses talking points. I find these folks, regardless of party or persuasion, to be intellectually lazy. What they don't know about me is that I learned many years ago from a debate coach to challenge myself harder than my opposition can challenge me. In order to effectively debate, one has to be able to anticipate the opposition arguments and counter them. What this often does for me is affect my opinions. One's opposition is rarely completely wrong. So, Doug, it might surprise you to know that many of us watch Fox "News". While I will agree that other channels also have a point of view, there is no one that is there equal in trying to promote a particular point of view. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: PoppaGator Date: 29 Mar 10 - 05:10 PM Deep subconscious racism is one of the most important foundations of rightwingnut dogmatism. The basic stance epitomized by "regular folks" like Joe the Plumber (remember him?) is this: Any move designed to have the government give a break to common people, as opposed to big business, is something I DON'T NEED. "Good people like me" (read: working white people) are doing just fine on our own without "handouts," and anyone who thinks they might need help with, say, a half-million dollars in medical bills for cancer treatment, is obviously lazy, shiftless, and not a "real American." Us real Americans need nothing more from the government than the assurance that huge corporations and rich individuals are free of taxation. Why's that? Because we might get rich ourselves one day, and won't want to pay for anyone else's problems. Those other inferior humans who are looking for a break are just not as capable of achieving overnight wealth as we are. This kind of delusional thinking is possible ONLY for those who believe that they're BETTER, in some basic, inborn way, that the masses of no-good humanity with whom they live within the boundaries of the nation. Now, the poor fools who think along these lines will swear up and down that they are not racists, that they are completely cordial in dealing with the black folks that they encounter in everyday life, they are are not cross-burners, etc., etc. And they are correct, as far as it goes. But deep in their hearts, they have not overcome the prejudices that they learned in their youth, and their entire world-view is predicated on an unfounded sense of superiority. They are not really sold on the idea that all of us are brothers and sisters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Hypnotic Speech Techniques From: Bill D Date: 29 Mar 10 - 05:09 PM "Bill D's contribution: "There are none so deaf as those who will not hear." I suppose that's the reason you will not tune in to Fox News Network, right? DougR Well, Doug...I have been out of town for 3 days, and was just casually reading this thread to catch up....but then I saw your post, so I will respond. Downstairs, I have a large TV set with PIP (Picture-in-picture) so that I can sorta follow 2 programs at a time....then, I also have connected a VCR that I can tune to a 3rd program, and change one of the 2 programs I am monitoring. When important events are happening, I often monitor CNN, MSNBC...and Fox, because it is important to KNOW how various viewpoints are processing and interpreting the news. (Of course, I will also monitor C-Span live, and CBS at times) It is VERY educational to follow breaking news and compare not only what is BEING said, but how well certain events are being covered at all. THIS is how I learned that Fox News is on an almost continuous cycle of mouthing denunciations of almost anything Democrats do, and why they employ 'news' people who say whatever the official conservative 'line' is today! I cannot conceive of ever being able to really comprehend world events from **FOX** versions of the data....but I **DO** tune in at odd times. Yes...of course I prefer the viewpoint of 'other' news and analysis, (not because they are the Liberal equivalent of a Glen Beck's ranting or a Sean Hannity's distortion, or Michelle Malkin's total disregard for truth and accuracy), but because they give me information, and back up their analysis with facts....and they occasionally issue corrections when they miss something or accidentally get a fact wrong. Fox will continue to repeat the same PROVEN error for days or weeks, simply because it's really hard to explain that you flatly got it wrong ... even though it sounds SO good as a talking point! Now Doug... I can't tell from one post whether you were just baiting me, or whether you really believe I get all my news in some filtered, one-sided bucket....but I have ALWAYS taken seriously the adage "Know Thine Enemy", and I try VERY hard to not criticize stuff I haven't read or studied. Would you care to enlighten me as to how YOU learn, process and analyze the news about our country and world? (and by the way...I even vote for decent Republicans occasionally....it depends on what they do and say) |
