Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: GUEST,Hollowfox at work Date: 17 Dec 15 - 04:26 PM Some years ago I heard (was it Tony Barrand and John Roberts?) sing "somebody shouted back inside..." This made excellent sense to me. |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: The Sandman Date: 17 Dec 15 - 04:54 PM "somebody shouted back inside..." was it the actress and the bishop |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: The Sandman Date: 17 Dec 15 - 05:04 PM "somebody shouted back inside..." was it the actress TO the bishop |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: GUEST Date: 17 Dec 15 - 05:29 PM On the Harry Champion recording could the "when I was just like this" be a polite replacement for something else that rhymes with "miss" ? Is the tune used now like that, or more like the Coppers' version? |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: Abby Sale Date: 17 Dec 15 - 06:00 PM See John Orford & Jim Ward above. Both correct. Wincott was a very popular music hall song writer and wrote many for the hugely popular singer, Harry Champion. Since it was recorded by Harry in 1911 we can presume Harry wrote it specifically for Harry and likely Harry'd been performing it for years. I have the recording on a Champion CD. It it sung very much faster than we ever hear it today and is somewhat longer. It isn't hard to believe that some ancestor Copper (Bob's father?) actually heard Champion sing it and came away with what he remembered. Or else some other singer in the area did and so taught it to Copper, Folk Processing. As above, it's originally "somebody said to M." in the words on Harry Champion; Cockney Bill of London Town; WindyRidge CD; 1911 & 2001. I like it. AIR, it's "old stale beer" but changing it to the beer of the day or some brand the singer doesn't like seems reasonable. I can't help but imagine that Wincott based it (loosely) on some local newspaper article of a pub fire (a tragedy anywhere, nearly as sad as Deportee). |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: GUEST,Grishka Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:03 PM Here is a couple of snippets from "The Era", London, dating the song precisely, and also allowing a glimpse on the show business of that time, not any less tough than today: Saturday, 30 September 1893(Not a full explanation to my taste. Who exactly wrote the verses sung by Champion?) |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: Mr Red Date: 18 Dec 15 - 03:54 AM (:-) |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: leeneia Date: 23 Aug 21 - 11:35 AM Mudcatter Gayle sang this at the singaround, and it occurred to me later that MacIntire is (or is purported to be) cockney rhyming slang for 'fire.' I thought MacIntire was spelled with a capital E. |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: The Sandman Date: 23 Aug 21 - 12:20 PM Macintyre? |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: Richard Mellish Date: 23 Aug 21 - 02:43 PM > it occurred to me later that MacIntire is (or is purported to be) cockney rhyming slang for 'fire.' Suggested and disproved earlier in this thread. |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: leeneia Date: 23 Aug 21 - 06:08 PM That's funny. When I brought this thread up, it had only two posts on it. Now it's longer. |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: Johnny J Date: 23 Aug 21 - 06:32 PM Ach, an old pal "Ben" used to sing this all the time at Edinburgh Folk Club in the eighties. I never realised the McIntyre meaning until now. ;-) |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: Tattie Bogle Date: 24 Aug 21 - 06:31 PM Gosh, I'm surprised that this has generated quite so many posts, some of a learned, even academic nature, others purely facetious. Me, a simple soul, I have never questioned it, just bellowed "MacIntyre" at the right moment, along with anyone else in the room who has heard the song before! A bit like shouting "free toast" in Rolling Home, after that line about "let the toasts go free". |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: Vic Smith Date: 26 Aug 21 - 02:14 PM As well as the more famous shout of MacIntyre, it some places it was obligatory to make another interjection - so that after the line: - ...Mopping up the whisky on the floor. You would hear the words Slip, slop, slip. |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: GUEST Date: 28 Aug 21 - 06:22 AM Free Toast sure and Our Souls in another song... |
Subject: RE: Why shout 'MacIntire'? From: Bugsy Date: 09 Feb 22 - 10:27 PM In Harry Champions 1911 rendition, "Don't let 'em in 'til it's all mopped up someone said to MacIntire" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPxW62EkPvk Cheers Bugsy |
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