BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 31 May 10 - 10:33 PM

Interesting to hear the criticism of Rand Paul, in contrast to the rapturous reception given his father on Mudcat early in the 2008 campaign--while it's quite likely that they actually share a lot of the same views.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 10:42 PM

Probably they do share a lot of the same views. The difference is, Ron Paul was running for president so he knew he had to appeal to a national audience. Rand Paul is running for the Senate from Kentucky, so he wants to appeal to voters from Kentucky.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 10:49 PM

Mousethief, that should be "...and their offspring who were born after they became citizens."

You're right. That's what I meant to say but I didn't say it very well.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 01 Jun 10 - 10:51 PM

"We're the kids who agree
To be social without security...."

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:41 AM

Both Ron and Rand have aspirations beyond Kentucky. Rand is a Libertarian/Christian,
a dangerous combination to American Democracy. Ron has a history of disregard for the government intercession in the Civil Rights for African-Americans. Read his earlier newsletters if you don't think so. Rand is Randall taking his name as a suggestion of Ayn Rand, the trashy novelist and Libertarian propagandist.

Who is John Galt? He may be an incipient fascist and a propagandist who is dangerous to
democracy in the US.

We are looking at a brand of fascism. Don't take my word for it. Read what the Pauls have to say. Read all of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 11:59 AM

He has aspirations to become the next Grand Dragon, looks like to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 12:28 PM

If the people of Kentucky want a Grand Dragon, they'll vote in a Grand Dragon. Rand Paul would be the first to concede, it's their business.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 06:03 PM

He's gained 3 additional percentage points after coming out against "birthright citizenship."

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 07:26 PM

I wonder if it's possible to force a state to secede?

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:35 PM

Probably not, but we get a variety of points of view this way.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:52 PM

There are a variety of points of view in an insane asylum too. That doesn't mean they're equally valid.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 09:59 PM

Speaking of points of view, a lot of people used to think tomatoes were poisonous. They were probably ancestors of the folks who disagree with Rand Paul today.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 02 Jun 10 - 10:14 PM

And of the folks who agree with him. What does that have to do with poisonous racism?

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 10:27 AM

Nothing. Rand Paul has said many times that he deplores racism.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 11:05 AM

Liars lie. News at 11.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 05:11 PM

Yeah, you'll get some big time liars then.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 05:20 PM

Rand learned from his father but he did not learn descretion.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 09:56 PM

One more time: the last time we saw Ron Paul on the media stage he was running for president. He had to appeal to a national audience. Rand Paul is running for the Senate from the state of Kentucky. He has to appeal only to voters in Kentucky.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 10:13 PM

Wonder what Paul would be saying and doing if his Tea Party folks were in power today dealing with the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico???

Hmmmmmmm???

Me thinks bad timing for these folks... They say they want their governement/country back... From whom, pray tell??? Seems that BP owns it and it's up to the govrenment (HORRORS!!!) to wrestle it back from BP and their buddies (oil companies)... Doesn't bode well for the Tea Party... The party might be over before it gets going...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Ron Davies
Date: 03 Jun 10 - 11:01 PM

Bobert has it dead right.   It's also interesting that even Sarah, with her finely tuned political antennae, may have guessed wrong on this one. She's now trying attack Obama from the left-- alleging that the reason the federal government has not been putting a lot of pressure on BP til recently is that Obama had oil firm contributions.

It's obviously the "more populist than thou" approach. But with her own ties to, and enthusiasm for--the oil industry--this might not play too well.    Doesn't ring exactly true.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 12:45 AM

Has anything she ever said rang true? I mean to people not already hoodwinked by Fox Noise?

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 12:57 PM

A lot of what she says makes sense, except what she says about religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 03:56 PM

I said, to people not already hoodwinked.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 04 Jun 10 - 05:03 PM

I quite agree, Mouse. People who are hoodwinked believe what she says about religion too.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Riginslinger
Date: 05 Jun 10 - 10:45 PM

But to get the topic back into play, it's becoming apparent that people across the country are beginning to realize that Civil Rights--as it was sold to the American people--has a lot of flaws in it.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: mousethief
Date: 06 Jun 10 - 12:08 AM

That's what somebody would say when they want to take civil rights away. "This whole civil rights thing --- it's got some problems." The Republicrats have already taken away too many of our civil rights. Time we started giving them back. Let's start by overturning the Patriot Act.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Jun 10 - 02:28 AM

Mouser: "The Republicrats have already taken away too many of our civil rights. Time we started giving them back. Let's start by overturning the Patriot Act."

Yes, that was done by 'executive order', under Bush. The fact that Obama has NOT rescinded that order, by 'executive order' should give all of you pro-Obama--anti-Bushites at least a little pause to wonder.....why not??
Maybe, you've been deceived....and all this hoop-ti-do is just partisan hype!

"But we love it that way!..and hope that the bad times are here to stay"

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: robomatic
Date: 06 Jun 10 - 12:53 PM

I turned off on Libertarians and Libertarianism a long time ago. Three reasons:

1) An encounter with Libertarians who were jerks in an early internet forum (when AOL was the main source of those).
2) A local primary election where the Libertarians voted for one of their own apparently unaware that he'd left the State!
3) The simple notion that small govnernment is a non-starter. You need Big government to protect you from big business. Because power corrupts, but so does weakness.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 08:02 AM

Libertarians don't look so good until you compare them to Republicans and Democrats.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: Stringsinger
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 02:13 PM

The only people who would criticize the Civil Rights Law are those who espouse racism.
They would eschew the only decent protection black people have against the Rand Pauls of the world. A lot of people today are becoming openly racist. The "flaws" in the Civil Rights Law can be interpreted as taking a luke-warm position on enforcing the protection of black or Hispanic people.

Just because we have a black president, many are under the illusion that racism is dead.

Rand Paul, also, is anti-abortion. He has said that if there were unanimous Christianity
that there wouldn't be a need for government.

Rand Paul does not represent the widest scope of the American people. He is much too partisan in his views.

Subject: RE: BS: Rand Paul. Any thoughts?
From: GUEST,Riginslinger
Date: 07 Jun 10 - 03:04 PM

No law if perfect, and the Civil Rights Law is no exception. Look at the disaster that has been generated by Affirmative Action.