BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?

Subject: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: Alan Day
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 05:46 PM

Should we keep Fabio or get another manager?
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:06 PM

I believe that the main problem was the failure to pick players who were compatable as a team.... whose styles would allow for them to play as they normally played.. at the same time fitting in with the others. The play at many points was fragmented and didn't 'flow' as it should have done. We might as well have sent a full team... Liverpool, Chelsea or Man U.... instead of a mix..... The responsibility for choosing players who can 'gel together' quickly was Fabios... Should he take the fall? We don't get to choose... but he needs to look at how the jigsaw fits rather than who is a good player and in what position. That is my honest opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: Bert
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:09 PM

Yep. Harry Redknapp would be my choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:30 PM

Don Cherry. He would make sure the wings are backed up for the errant crosses. I saw soooo many chances gone lost on the open wings. I really don't understand the strategy of leaving a wing open or having a winger head 6m deeper in case of an errant cross... and there were soooooo many!

Hey... I am just a Canuck, a colonist... what do I know about yer feetball?

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:38 PM

I think having a manager who spoke English would be a real help, and not one who has to have an interpreter present at all times to both translate questions and check what he's replying...

I mean??????

And WHY does he get paid so much??? And WHY do all the players get paid so much???

And WHAT incentive do overpaid, millionaire prats have to go out there and win something for their country???

And do any of them KNOW anyfink about their country, I mean, like, yer know, like, other than football, like?

Joanna Lumley would be great. She'd have them all fired up in no time!

;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:42 PM

I know, let's scrap bl**dy football altogether! Mind you all of the tedious footbal bores would then just find something else to drone on, and on, and on about.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:56 PM

Paid so much? What if a wee tad of that coin "makes it back, after taxes" in small, untraceable bills?

Gosh... imagine that? Nahhh, couldn't be, could it? And, it could never happen with the players, could it? Nahhh.

The club owners would never launder money through their players and coaching staff would they? That would be deceitful... dishonest... illegal by way of tax evasion! Nahhhh... paying millions to athletes and coaching staff is just good business. Gives the fans the chance to see the very best players compete.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Gurney
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 07:01 PM

Don't know what you heard on that side of the world, but we heard that the German manager said that England were 'played out' at the end of the season, because there are so many teams in the Premier league.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 07:35 PM

Joe and Clones, could you change the name of this thread to Should England have A football manager.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: olddude
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 09:40 PM

absolutely need a new coach, you failed not on talent but the lack of coaching that talent into a team

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 05:33 AM

"Mind you all of the tedious footbal bores would then just find something else to drone on, and on, and on about."

If conversation about football is boring then what does that say about people who have nothing better do do than eavesdrop and spend their time criticizing conversations about football.

Uninspired and dull might just cover it.


Back on topic ... as forgiving as I wuld like to be about Capello and his strategy, and regardless of the valid criticisms concernng the absence of wingers in the Germany match which I agree with, I find his one irredeemable decision to be that to bring on Heskey and take off defoe when 3 goals down in the match.

As soon as Heskey came on and defoe came off, every England fan gave up hope.

Capellos problem was his defence first and foremost. He should have substituted a defender and brought on a winger to give some support to the attacking miidfiled and strikers who were doing ok and could have done muuch better if they'd received a few decent passes from all corners of the field.

There was no solidity at the back and no width at the front.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: GUEST,Lox
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 05:34 AM

Oh yeah - so to answer the question, Capello is responsible for that organizational cock up.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Alan Day
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 08:27 AM

I think that Capello should stay on as manager. He has had no time at all in the job, to create a World Cup winning team or even one that gives a reasonable showing takes a lot of time. He is well qualified has probably learnt a lot over the last few weeks. The job itself is a nightmare (a well paid one however) just remember those managers that have failed before him, including Bobby Robson one of the finest football managers this country has produced,only to be hounded out by the press after we lost on penalties. He was seriously let down by his players, his decision to bring on Heskey was to try and create chances for Rooney,Cole, and Lampard had he done so the decision would have been considered masterful, not pitiful.
I remember the team that Capello inherited and he turned the team around to one feared by most and one of the favourites to win the competition. The fact that they did not perform for him in three games does not make him a bad manager.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: goatfell
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 08:28 AM

Keep him he's great for England

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: greg stephens
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 08:36 AM

Does it matter?

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 09:04 AM

Not if you're not a lover of The Beautiful Game and a supporter of England, Greg.

But to those who are, and they are legion, yes, it matters a great deal.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 09:25 AM

Hi

I go with the keep Capello vote.

Of course there were problems this year at the finals but as someone has originally said he turned England around after some of the most humiliating performances ever in the Euro 2008 series.

Please note that was with an ENGLISH manager who was so inept that he inherited the name of The Wally with the Brolly during England's ignominious exit as he stood there in the rain under a large golf umbrella watching haplessly.

Apparently Capello wants to stay and repair the damage when it would be easy to walk away - it's not money....he is already a very rich man and he would receive millions purely by walking away.

I don't see any other English managers who are capable of replacing Capello with the possible exception of Rednapp who is tied up to Spurs. Roy Hodgson has signed a three year contract for Liverpool which leaves us with what ?????????? NOTHING.

So we would be stupid to throw out the baby with bathwater.

It would cost less and be more practical to set up a team to try to bring the FA and The Premier League closer together in order to try to provide the England team with more time and resources when playing International games especially in competitions.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 09:27 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manag
From: Lizzie Cornish 1 - PM
Date: 30 Jun 10 - 06:38 PM

Hi lizzie

ha ha ha ha and tee hee

Welcome back

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 09:57 AM

I take it Mike L2 and Goatfell are scots sniggering up their sleeves.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 10:03 AM

...a lover of The Beautiful Game and a supporter of England...

Is it possible to be both at the same time?

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 10:22 AM

Don't you think Capello's face is similar to Dan Dare from the Eagle?

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 11:00 AM

"Is it possible to be both at the same time?"

Of course. Things will change.
BTW McG, I'm also a Leeds United supporter - sucker or what? :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 03:21 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Tug the Cox - PM
Date: 01 Jul 10 - 09:57 AM

"I take it Mike L2 and Goatfell are scots sniggering up their sleeves."

Hi tug

Indeed I am not Scottish. Born and bred in Manchester.

I am a Manchester United supporter and go to most games. I am as upset about England;s performance as many others are.

But kneejerk action maybe is what the press wants but it is not the right way to go......yet

cheers

MIKeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: bubblyrat
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 06:19 AM

Why on earth can't we all pull together and have a GREAT BRITAIN team ?? Fragmenting the UK into its constituent nations does us no favours at all when it comes to international sport. Not that I know, or care much about, football anyway, although I HAVE met Harry Redknapp and am inclined to agree about his suitability for the task of manager / coach ; at least,the players would be able to understand him (more or less).

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: alanabit
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 06:53 AM

England lost because their players did not have the legs to run off the ball correctly and give their players on the ball tactical options, which would have enabled them to hold it. Neither did they have the legs to get enough players back at speed when the Germans broke away. For the first goal Klose won a chase from a goalkeeper's clearance and for the other three, England were caught a man short on the far side of the penalty box. We can put this all down to schoolboy errors, lack of fitness or tired minds and legs. As Capello seemed to get the best out of the players during the season, it seems unfair to use him as a scapegoat now. I reckon it was well worth not qualifying for the European Championship two years ago just to get rid of MacLaren. Now that several of England's senior players will probably have to retire, it seems unlikely that England will make any impact on an international competition for many years -even if they qualify, which looks possible rather than probable at the moment. Capello does not have another upcoming generation of outstanding players coming through, but I think he is the best man available to pick up the pieces of what we have less. His side lacked energy and imagination in the World Cup, but at least they had a modicum of discipline.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 07:01 AM

If they change the manager,I'll lose my best intro joke: "I sing this song a capella which is a musical term for "without an England manager". Shows you what the rest of my jokes are like! Not that I'll ever get the chance to use it anyway!

RtS

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 07:25 AM

I think a lot of Scottish people might think we should keep him ;)

I don't follow football but heard that he had changed the positions that the players normally play in so they struggled a bit. I did see the goal that was a goal but wasn't counted and that cannot have helped ~ it really is difficult not to let things like that affect your play.

Perhaps England should have a new manager, these officials who cannot keep up with the game and miss things that everyone else sees could go as well together with all the people who are adamant that technology should not be used - it has helped a great deal at Wimbledon and hasn't affected enjoyment of the game; although I do sometimes miss the entertainment that we used to have with the arguments over whether a ball was in or not :)

I do agree that it would be helpful to have someone who speaks clear English.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 03:45 PM

The current manager HAS been retained, according to this mormiong/s sports news. He's under contract ~ a big fat one ~ and apparently no one wants to pay him off AND at the same pay a competitive salary to another manager.

The ESPN commentators, including a few guys with British accents, a Dutchman, and several Americans (inlcuding an ex-player with WC experience) all seemed to agree that coaching was not the problem so mach as lack of talent. With the English Premiere League employing more and more "foreigners" (i.e., drawing upon the worldwide talent pool), fewer native Englishmen are playing the game at its highest level.

Fielding a UK team rather than separate outfits for each nation is undoubtedly a good idea.

If there were to be a "Great Britain" (rather than a "UK") entry in the World Cup, perhaps the "Ireland" team could include the entire island, including the North. I know that this arrangement has been used for some sports but not others. But ~ I can't remember which!

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: PoppaGator
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 03:50 PM

Oops ~ "...AND at the same time pay..."

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 04:00 PM

A new football manager and some new players, I suggest joe offer

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Alan Day
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 05:42 PM

You have nailed the problem PoppaGator,what chance have youngsters to get into Premiership teams. Where is the England Manager going to choose his team from, the lower leagues? . The UK Football Management has been in a mess for years. Badly run, badly organised and basically a London Club for a select few. They should have made a rule years ago about the number of foreign players to be used in a squad, but they do not want to upset their friends. I used to be a Chelsea supporter in my younger days and all of them were UK players and most of the teams they played against were UK players. The current teams rarely even include a UK player.I am interested in Football Management but I would never pay to go and see a league match now. Wembley to see England, yes but very rarely.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 06:40 PM

With the English Premiere League employing more and more "foreigners" (i.e., drawing upon the worldwide talent pool), fewer native Englishmen are playing the game at its highest level.


Why? This applies in pretty well all countries. I can't see that having (for example) Messi playing in Catalonia and Tevez playing in England seriously damages the way they play for Argentina.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 07:38 PM

""I can't see that having (for example) Messi playing in Catalonia and Tevez playing in England seriously damages the way they play for Argentina.""

Your comment is not addressing the point that was made.

Their presence in the English premier league doesn't have any adverse effect on their playing for Argentina, but it does remove two spots for English players, thereby weakening the prospects of putting together a world class England team.

Multiply that by the total number of premieship players who are not English, and you begin to realise just how much the English game is being damaged.

Dozens of potentially brilliant English youngsters will never realise their potential because of this.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 02 Jul 10 - 07:45 PM

So, NO! We don't need a new manager.

What we need is a new FA, preferably one that cares about the English game enough to make changes not based on how much money they can grab from TV.

A good start would be a smaller premiership, and a reduction in the total number of games to be played in one season, allied with stringent limits on the number of foreign players allowed per team.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 02:55 AM

Amen!

But, lovely thought though it is, wouldn't bringing in a rule to limit the number of foreign players in club sides infringe some bozo-EU-Law or other? I'd bet that foreign players would be able to claim that they were being subjected to racial discrimination or something equally stupid.

But it's the only way to improve our own national standards, AFAICS.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Alan Day
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 04:53 AM

Well I did not find it funny at all Allen (Scottish spelling?)
I am proud of our football team and I want it to do well. It does however take a poor performance like this to bring home the faults which are behind our game and the need to correct them. Clubs are spending money on youth football development, we just won the World Youth Cup. Just give the lads a chance and they will produce results.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: MikeL2
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 05:36 AM

hi

I reply to a number of points made recently -:

1. There is a move afoot by FIFA to limit the number of foreign players who can play for any one club in the European Club Championships.
There is some opposition to this pricipally by Chelsea and Arsenal whose squads are very foreign orientated.
This is already being addressed by some teams that would be affected - eg Manchester United Arsenal Chelsea Liverpool and Everton.

2. I agree that the inclusion of foreign players does limit the opportunities of English players, but the other side of the coin is that home players should learn more skills and get better experience from the foreign imports.

3. As another member pointed out there is already a move to try to find more young home players. Most senior clubs run academies where potential young proffessional footballers attend and there are some promising players coming through this system. This will take time but if the FA and the Premiere League can get together for once this could be much improved.

4. Capello has been kept on and in my opinion rightly so. He has a history of building good sides that compete well in competitions and is a great advocate of youth. I believe that is why he was kept on.

5. UK & Britain teams have been mooted on several occasions and the moves have all failed. It is the "satellite smaller countries " that refuse to join a united team. In truth though, would this really benefit England ??? IMHO no. If we could choose from the UK or Britain how many non-English players would feature ?? None as far as I could see. For instance Scottish football is more affected by foreign players than England and have hardly any home players of real International class. But unlike a guest above I do not relish the failure of other UK countries. Scotland has a history of playing great football and having highly motivated and talented players. Unfortunately this had deteriorated and I feel sorry about this.
By the way it is not just in Football that uniting the separate countries runs into difficulties occurs, it happens in other sports too. Though we do compete is Britain in the Olympics.

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: goatfell
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 08:45 AM

i agree does it really matter, while there are men and women getting killed every day and you are talking about a England manger

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 03 Jul 10 - 10:42 AM

If the Argentinians can have Madonna, can't we have Bjork?

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Alan Day
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 02:16 AM

If the World Goatfell picked up a football or a musical instrument instead of a gun it would be a better place.
May I suggest you direct your attention towards Racial Hatred, and Warmongering and not to those involved with peaceful activities.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 09:05 AM

Yes, but only if the FA is prepared to match the £10,000,000 payoff with a similar donation to locally-based charities.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 07:38 PM

""But, lovely thought though it is, wouldn't bringing in a rule to limit the number of foreign players in club sides infringe some bozo-EU-Law or other? I'd bet that foreign players would be able to claim that they were being subjected to racial discrimination or something equally stupid.""

We didn't have any hassle about limiting the number of "Guest" players in our County cricket teams, so I don't think that'll happen.

Apart from anything else, the only reason required for turning down foreign players, is that it makes economical sense not to offer the ridiculous prices which are part of the transfer system.

That is one right all employers still have.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 07:45 PM

""2. I agree that the inclusion of foreign players does limit the opportunities of English players, but the other side of the coin is that home players should learn more skills and get better experience from the foreign imports.""

I think this is a bit naive, Mike.

If they can't get a place in the team, to play alongside the foreigners, how in hell will they learn from them.

We need English Football League players to be able to play at premiership, or they will never gain the necessary skills. At the moment, a few English players with exceptional ability do get into the top level, but many more are turned away because there are no vacancies.

I believe in some teams there are as few as four English players in the squad.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 07:55 PM

""i agree does it really matter, while there are men and women getting killed every day and you are talking about a England manger""

Well the answer to that, Goatfell, is in the title of the thread.

If it had said "Should England stop waging War?", I think you would have found considerable comment on that, and related subjects.

By the same token, if it says "Should England have a new Football Manager?", ..............well, I'm sure you get my drift.

There are threads for people who share your interest in the former, posted to by many of the contributors to this thread.

As to this thread's subject, I should have thought that the title might have suggested that here was a subject which held no interest for you, and you could have saved yourself the effort involved in opening it, and then posting to it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 03:34 AM

"We didn't have any hassle about limiting the number of "Guest" players in our County cricket teams, so I don't think that'll happen."

Good point, hadn't thought of that. Maybe the PC-Conditioning that we've been subjected to for the past (too many) years distorted my thinking on that one.

Let's hope the FA have the balls to intruduce such a rule.

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Alan Day
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 03:53 AM

An interesting discussion came up on this subject on the radio. The next England game is at Wembley in mid August and it was going to be a "Lets celebrate the return of the lads from the World cup".
A guy was on there saying that he thought it a great idea and purchased some tickets (before the World Cup). He wondered if he and his mate would be the only ones there. I wonder how the team and the manager will be received and how they will be greeted coming out of the tunnel. Where does he go from here?
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 11:51 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T - PM
Date: 04 Jul 10 - 07:45 PM

""I think this is a bit naive, Mike.
If they can't get a place in the team, to play alongside the foreigners, how in hell will they learn from them.""

Hi don

Fair point - but I am talking about young players coming through the system who have not yet made the senior side. Surely playing and training with the best players will bring them along and teach them skills etc etc.

With regard to the numbers of foreign players in the teams, there is one occasion ( I think Chelsea v Arsenal ) when the only English person on the pitch was the referee !!!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 12:10 PM

The appointment of Capello remains a disgrace to two nations. FIFA should change the rule such that managers can only compete for their OWN nation. And, as for club football, which used to be mostly-locals in MEANINGFUL competition...

Poem 98 of 230: REREGULATE

One Premier world-eleven v.
    Another such company,
Or wage-caps and say half each-club's squad
    From the local-junior pod?
And, perhaps, heed the cricket-fan's call
    To convert to county-football..?

(C) David Franks 2003
From http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com (e-scroll)
Or http://blogs.myspace.com/walkaboutsverse (e-book)

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 12:21 PM

So how are things at the BNP WavyFWBR? Yeah.....I know how you love our "multicultural world" just as long as the "multicultural" ain't in your world!

Look in the mirror and say, "Bigoted Xenophobe" so you can see what one looks like.......btw, your "poetry" has been posted at least 5 times here so only provide a link to YOUR site.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Should England have a new Football Manager?
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 05 Jul 10 - 12:36 PM

As the above post indicates, Spaw, I'm a positive English NOT British nationalist, and not a "Bigoted Xenophobe", who prefers proper fair competition; and who, just yesterday e,g,, at least tries to support the land rights of Native Americans, etc.