BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jan 11 - 12:12 PM

Wht d y mn??

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 06:44 PM

"J is a consonant in English, but some nations use it as a vowel --than which nothing could be more absurd. Its original form, which has been but slightly modified, was that of the tail of a subdued dog, and it was not a letter but a character, standing for a Latin verb,

_jacere_, "to throw," because when a stone is thrown at a dog the dog's tail assumes that shape. This is the origin of the letter, as expounded by the renowned Dr. Jocolpus Bumer, of the University of Belgrade, who established his conclusions on the subject in a work of three quarto volumes and committed suicide on being reminded that the j in the Roman alphabet had originally no curl."
Ambrose Bierce quotes (American Writer, Journalist and Editor, 1842-1914)

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 06:24 PM

Not quite, Ed. They only say Jehovah because the original masoretic text didn't acquire vowels for nearly a millenium by which time the standard Western version had guessed that they were e-o-a.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 06:10 PM

OOPS, parked it in the wrong place:(

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 06:08 PM

Well, where do Jehovah's Witnesses stand on YEC and creationism?


Many may say, who cares, why do you ask? I dunno, I was just curious as to just how many "non mainstream" religions support it.I know, it is only a minor sampling of one. But, some of the articles from Eatchtower and Awake are quite dismissive of the concept (not that they do not have their own ideas, that one could question, if one had the time, or interest).

Regardless, even the Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be "very down" on creationism and YEC (according to this article , anyway. So, you don't have to "take them on" on this topic when they come to your door:)

Jehovah's Witnesses and creationism

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 10:10 AM

Always sound your haitches! It shows good breeding and correct pronunciation -- and one day you might hear the Queen say, "'ey, 'enry! There's kippers fer tay!"

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 07:34 AM

In most countries H is not pronounced, like it is in olde England.SO, why is an a not used? (A historic, instead of an historic)

Let h's rot in hell, he said with an Hallelujah chant :)

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 12 Jan 11 - 06:57 AM

h, s

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 06:16 AM

What's the deal with "an historic"?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 04:22 AM

I don't think I've ever seen Jones written in Welsh. My understanding is that Welsh surnames were a gift from the English government to the British people.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 11 Jan 11 - 03:45 AM

If there's no J in Welsh how come there are so many people with the surname Jones?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 04:51 PM

Hi, Uncle Dave. I knew Hebrew didn't use vowels, but I think Arabic does, at least today. I was reading a book that showed how the tenses of verbs in Arabic are changed by changing the vowels.

Anybody know any more about this?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 04:27 PM

And the letter J. It just sort of crept in there when we were getting along swell with the letter I (a vowel). So J is a sort of bastard vowel.

ss chrst, wht wll hppn nxt?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 03:48 PM

What ever happened to the guy who couldn't say the letter "C", when we need him.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Gurney
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 02:17 PM

Well, I do! And punctuation too, so that I can read 'Swiftly and With Style.'

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Abdul The Bul Bul
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 12:24 PM

nd hr ars nd bbs msthf h?
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Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 12:16 PM

Leenia, you didn't mention Arabic and Hebrew for the no-vowel list.

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 11:39 AM

Certain ancient languages (Egyptian, for one) developed systems of writing which had no vowels. For example, they might have a symbol which represent the 'syllable' k-t.

But without the vowel nobody knew if they were trying to say cat, kit, cot, coat, or kite. So they added other symbols above or below the line to give a hint. (These hints are called determinatives, because obviously a linguist couldn't use an embarrassingly clear word like 'hint'.)

I don't know the details, but I suppose there was a symbol which conveyed 'living thing,' so that when we saw k-t, we decided it was a cat. This system may have worked for people who only wrote about a limited number of things (kings, wars, gods, crops, livestock), but it obviously would get quite cumbersome in modern times.

No, our writing may not be perfect, but we better stick with vowels.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: quokka
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:55 AM

srry...shld hv sd "mg...wtf?" r*flmf**

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:52 AM

Y and W both have ambiguous origins, so whether they represent consonants or vowels is often a matter of chance. While in modern English convention a certain Roman's name would be written 'Gaius Julius Caesar', he would have have recognized CAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR - three letters that have expanded over the centuries into eight, though none of his Vs have become W or Is Y.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: quokka
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:51 AM

omg...wtf?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:04 AM

Y and W are sometimes vowels in English as well. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Will Fly
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 10:00 AM

Well - for starters - try this book, which doesn't use the letter "e"...

Gadsby

Sorry - should have said, "Wll - fr strtrs - try ths bk, whch dsn't s th lttr ""...

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 06:24 AM

Srry. Th lst qstn mrk shld hv bn fllstp.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Dave MacKenzie
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 06:23 AM

Of course, there's always that dialogue from the Scottish Borders:

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   ,   .

    ?

   ,      .

       ?

   ,       ?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 10 Jan 11 - 05:39 AM

Typical BS.

But, to make a sense of it: would it be possible to allow for longer thread titles, so that the most important vowels can be accomodated as well, and other sources of misunderstanding minimized? If the database cannot be "reorg'ed", a new field may be introduced containing short comments, to be shown on the main page.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Anglo
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 11:16 PM

You're all too conservative. In written Welsh, w and y are vowels as well. Lose those too.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: mousethief
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 10:24 PM

W'd lv t s hr cnt.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 10:14 PM

Sorry, don't do absent letters fir like, ahhhh, fun... I got spell check these days but as a lexdexic??? Leave the sumabicken' vowels out on all yer posts 'cause the sumabiches just confuzerate me...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:15 PM

"I nd a gd vl mvmnt nd thn."

Woll this di, gnu?

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:12 PM

Of course we need them.

Guess what this means:

Th cts n th ct n th ct.











The cat's on the cot in the city.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 09:09 PM

Hrd t ply Scrbbl wtht vwls.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 08:52 PM

I nd a gd vl mvmnt nd thn.

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: bobad
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 08:52 PM

fckng rght!

Subject: RE: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Ed T
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 08:46 PM

m y b n t, R pp r

Subject: BS: Stl thnk w dnt nd vwls?
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Jan 11 - 08:40 PM

Well, what do you think? r myb w dnt nd thm?