BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?

Subject: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:20 PM

The new king of misspeak is Chuck Schumer, yesterday on CNN. The good senator avers that the government is made up of three branches...a House, a Senate, and a President. Hmmm, he as member of the government ought to know what every kid who has had a Civics course knows: we do have three branches of government, but he has divided the legislative branch, and left out the the Judiciary altogether.

If I thought like a liberal, say a Maddow or an Olbermann or..., I would opine that he knows so little about the government, or is just so plain stupid that he doesn't deserve to to hold his office. That's the type of calumny I've heard about conservatives over the years.

Let's go to the tape (as they used to say on sports show):
   
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fG0Jpu9geWYfeature=player_embedded

Schumer's gaffe at about 1:O5 in.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 05:39 PM

I received one of "those" links today... a Brit version of Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans". Unlike some of Rick's versions, this was direct and simple. I was appalled, but, of course, you can find stunned as me arse if you want to on ant street corner in the world. So, while I was appalled, I just dismissed it as "TV".

But this? A SENATOR doesn't know his own government? he must have been elected by the people I saw in the video.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Taconicus
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 06:33 PM

No, you don't understand how it works. If a Democrat senator thinks the three branches of government are House, Senate, and President, it's just an innocent slip of the tongue. If a vice president gets the national motto completely backwards, going on for 20 minutes in a speech about how diversity fits right in with the national motto of "many from one," or if President Obama pronounces corpsman several times in the speech "corpse-man," those are just innocent slips of the tongue because we know that Democrats are actually super intelligent – don't expect to see much about it in the newspapers.

But if a Republican vice president goes to a spelling bee photo-op and reads the spelling potatoe verbatim from the back of a card that was just handed to him by the public school English teacher who is running the spelling bee, or if a Republican president mispronounces nuclear, it's complete proof that they are utter imbeciles, and you'll read about it in headlines and in the national media for months.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:20 PM

*sigh*... that is not only not helpful, Taconicus ...it is not accurate.
**IT** doesn't work like that unless you pick & choose your data. Generalizations like that are just divisive & one-sided.

If you see specific bad examples, point them out. I don't like Democrats OR Republicans pretending that only 'the other side' is guilty of faux pas.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:56 PM

Come The Revolution I'm shooting at both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 07:59 PM

And THAT is not helpful either... or even funny these days...

(Can anyone tell I'm kinda weary of talk of guns & shooting people?)

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:17 PM

"But if a Republican vice president goes to a spelling bee photo-op and reads the spelling potatoe verbatim from the back of a card that was just handed to him by the public school English teacher who is running the spelling bee,..."

Yer not fuckin serious? A VEEP hadn't the intelligence to be trusted to spell correctly? He had to be handed a card? The same guy that said, "The holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history.… No, not our nation's, but in World War II. I mean, we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century, but in this century's history"... "I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future"... when he addressed the United Negro College Fund, whose slogan is "A mind is a terrible thing to waste," and said, "You take the UNCF model that what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."

What kinda fuckin morons... oh, never mind... have fun with it.

gnightgnu

BTW... I spell it potatoe as that is the way I was taught to spell it.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Taconicus
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:26 PM

Well, I see a massive double standard. How many months was that potatoe thing in the news? About six, and it's still talked about. Most people never even heard about Al Gore's "many from one" speech. How long was "corpse-man" in the news? Many never heard about it, and NONE of the mainstream media said it showed ignorance on the part of the speaker.

This Schumer thing happened yesterday. Show me where CNN or the New York Times or the Washington Post or MSNBC are talking about it. Here's a CNN story about Schumer's "GOP is playing with fire" talk where he said it--no mention of the three-branches blunder.

I'm not criticising Schumer, who yes, should know better, but the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:38 PM

Most people never even heard about Al Gore's "many from one" speech

Invented the internet.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: mousethief
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:39 PM

Quale really did spell potato wrong. Gore never did say he invented the internet. But that lie is still abroad. Shall we talk about all the other lies the right has promulgated? Or can you stuff the "it's not faaaaaair" thing yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:46 PM

The two events were many years apart, with quite different components to the 'media', and the relevance of the events is hard to compare.

Quayle was already an 'item' on the competence front, and was such an easy target. Schumer might have a little slack.

Taconicus...I have debated this 'double-standard' bit with another semi-regular poster here, who even STARTS threads demanding to know why we 'liberals' did not notice or comment on some supposed flaw in a Democrat, as he is SURE we would have if a Republican had done it.
Again... the double-standard thing is a hard thing to demonstrate, and generally is pretty subjective. I don't bother with it. If I see an opponent do something stupid or hateful, I will say so...and I HAVE said so on occasions when it WAS a Democrat.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 08:58 PM

**grin**...and BTW, Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC is even now reporting on the silly lawsuit by **Democrat** Dennis Kucinich about the olive pit......and allowing Kucinich to comment on it.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:02 PM

Well, sheet fire... Everyone knows that the three branches of government are Budweiser, Walmart and NASCAR...

Sheesh!!!

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:04 PM

Don't SAY that Bobert... it comes too close to the facts...

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Taconicus
Date: 31 Jan 11 - 09:49 PM

Well, I'll leave it be.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 11:17 AM

Yeah, or that guy talking to somebody about evolution who said that science can't explain the tides...

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 11:45 AM

Didn't somebody moon that guy?

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 12:55 PM

I'm getting really tired of whining "conservatives" like Taco et.al.- when the sun was on their side of the fence all they did was piss and moan about whining "liberals"[sic].

They apparently really DON'T see the hiprocisy.

Idiot Nation.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 01:59 PM

Was it a Dem or a Rep who is waiting for Guam to tip over? I forget.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: gnu
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 02:22 PM

Bobert... hahahahhaaa. I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there. (With apologies to Larry The Cable Guy.)

On another note... I listen to Blue Collar Radio and 2.5 other comedy channels on Sirius Sattelite Radio. $165 a year and I get it in my truck and on the net. It's worth it for the first year. Especially if you are interested in other channels and there are a whack of different genres. Even have religious channels... or had... I dunno if they still do.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 03:45 PM

Did Chuck Schumer even really misspeak?

If we look at the government as a tree as the analogy implies, there are three main branches of government and two branches of the legislative branch.

Schumer was talking about the separate bodies which have to deal with the debt ceiling. He was saying, not in these exact words, that there are three different branches of government that will have to deal with that issue.

I am sure that he is aware that there is a Supreme Court. He has several times votes to confirm judges. I am sure he knows that they have no bearing on the debt ceiling. I am also sure that he believes that passing the debt ceiling through each of the two separate branches of the Legislative Branch (The House and Senate) would be separate and distinct challenges.   

He may not have used the exact words which John on the Sunset Coast or Taconicus would have liked but he did clearly communicate these concepts.

Its not the same in degree or frequency as talking about OBGYNS "practicing their love" on women across the country, or saying "Is our children learning" or saying "Mission Accomplished."

And their is no double standard. The current Vice President's gaffes are every bit as reported and ridiculed on the "main stream" media as Quayle's every were as were all those lies saying that Al Gore said he "invented the Internet."

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 03:50 PM

Sorry about the typos

voteD to confirm judges

"Is our children learning(?)"

Quayle's ever were. As were

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:15 PM

"He may not have used the exact words which John on the Sunset Coast or Taconicus would have liked"

It is not about me, my likes or dislikes, Jack. It is what it is. It is universally accepted, except for those who wish to spin for Schumer, that US government consists of the three branches of which the Judiciary is one, and the Legislative is one, as no law passes without both houses approving.

Schumer's statement was clear, concise and wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: mousethief
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:21 PM

Just goes to show that conservatives aren't the only ones who misspeak. Which proves ... um .... f/a.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:39 PM

Don't be silly John. They are the three main branches but there are hundreds of branches of the US government. When you look at a tree there are branches attached to the branches AS WELL AS those attached to the trunk.

A five year old could follow this logic.

Unless he chooses not to.

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 06:57 PM

So the Potatoe incident was the only indication of Quayle's stupidity?




I am not part of the problem. I am a Republican.

    Dan Quayle
I have made good judgements in the Past. I have made good judgements in the Future.

    Dan Quayle
People that are really very weird can get into sensitive positions and have a tremendous impact on history.

    Dan Quayle
Republicans understand the importance of bondage between a mother and child.

    Dan Quayle
The American people would not want to know of any misquotes that Dan Quayle may or may not make.

    Dan Quayle
    - More quotations on: [Quotations]
The future will be better tomorrow.

    Dan Quayle
    - More quotations on: [The Future]
We don't want to go back to tomorrow, we want to go forward.

    Dan Quayle
We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a *part* of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a *part* of Europe.

    Dan Quayle
We're all capable of mistakes, but I do not care to enlighten you on the mistakes we may or may not have made.

    Dan Quayle
    - More quotations on: [Mistakes]
Welcome to President Bush, Mrs. Bush, and my fellow astronauts.

    Dan Quayle
What a waste it is to lose one's mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.

    Dan Quayle
When I have been asked during these last weeks who caused the riots and the killing in L.A., my answer has been direct and simple: Who is to blame for the riots? The rioters are to blame. Who is to blame for the killings? The killers are to blame.

    Dan Quayle
[It's] time for the human race to enter the solar system.

    Dan Quayle
Verbosity leads to unclear, inarticulate things.

    Dan Quayle, 11/30/88
One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'.

    Dan Quayle, 12/6/89
Illegitimacy is something we should talk about in terms of not having it.

    Dan Quayle, 5/20/92 (reported in Esquire, 8/92)
I believe we are on an irreversible trend toward more freedom and democracy - but that could change.

    Dan Quayle, 5/22/89
Mars is essentially in the same orbit... Mars is somewhat the same distance from the Sun, which is very important. We have seen pictures where there are canals, we believe, and water. If there is water, that means there is oxygen. If oxygen, that means we can breathe.

    Dan Quayle, 8/11/89
Murphy Brown is doing better than I am. At least she knows she still has a job next year.

    Dan Quayle, 8/18/92
The Holocaust was an obscene period in our nation's history. I mean in this century's history. But we all lived in this century. I didn't live in this century.

    Dan Quayle, 9/15/88
Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children.

    Dan Quayle, 9/18/90
We're going to have the best-educated American people in the world.

    Dan Quayle, 9/21/88
We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur.

    Dan Quayle, 9/22/90
For NASA, space is still a high priority.

    Dan Quayle, 9/5/90
Public speaking is very easy.

    Dan Quayle, to reporters in 10/88
I stand by all the misstatements that I've made.

    Dan Quayle, to Sam Donaldson, 8/17/89

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 08:02 PM

Yep...to quote myself: "Quayle was already an 'item' on the competence front, and was such an easy target. Schumer might have a little slack."

Subject: RE: BS: Schumer on CNN, the new Potatoe?
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Feb 11 - 08:30 PM

Look out Yogi 'cause you got a Quayle on yer trail...

Thanks, Jack... Those quotes were a hoot...

B~