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Subject: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 17 Mar 11 - 07:39 PM I apologize for responding to Plastic Paddy comments on Mick's inspiration thread. But this is St. Patrick's Day..the most happy day of the year for us. Not Easter..Christ just died on the cross. Not Christmas. Don't get too happy..he is going to die on the cross. Not Halloween..it is really the day before the day before all the souls you prayed enough for get out of purgatory. Only St. Patrick's day was 100% fun. Lent was abolished for the day. There was music and there was ice cream with shamrocks in it. The priests and nuns were happy and the nuns would dance little jigs. Now each and every year I know someone is going to call us Plastic Paddys. They just did. Refer to above thread. It is not a nice phrase. It is insulting. It is demeaning. It is unnecessary. Let people have fun and don't call them (us) names. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,999 Date: 17 Mar 11 - 07:49 PM Never used the term in my life and I ain't about to start now. But thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 17 Mar 11 - 08:09 PM mg, my reply is on the original thread. I hope someone closes this thread as it is insulting to a lot of people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 17 Mar 11 - 10:32 PM I have no idea who would be insulted. Anyway, this is why we celebrate St. Patrick's Day. www.thefamineshiphannah.com I think it is not a mostly recreational day, nor a mostly spiritual or religious day. I think it is in USA and probably Canada and elsewhere a day almost of passover..we survived..we made it..and lots did not on their journey. These were not sophisticated people for the most part and they did what they could. They are the ones, or their sons and daughters are ones more likely, who escalated St. Patrick's Day celebrations in US. In time it became ritualized..again by not very sophisticated people. People who painted green stripes down the streets and drank green beer and ate green mashed potatoes and wore green tiaras. But at the very heart of it all is a very tragic history. So I just can not see insulting people at this time. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: J-boy Date: 18 Mar 11 - 12:57 AM I believe the currently accepted term is "Professional Irishman." Or "Professional Irish Person." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 18 Mar 11 - 01:11 AM I think it goes with stage Irishman, which was an insult. But mostly the other insults were not so bad..shanty Irish..bog trotter, Mick or Paddy..some were not used insultingly and some were..but they were used by "strangers." Plastic Paddy essentially I think is Irish and/or Irish Americans turning on each other, which makes it sick I think. I think it started with Irish turning on Irish Americans..and there are probably complicated anthropological reasons or whatever. But for other Irish-Americans to turn on their own..I don't get it. I think it is way worse than other historical insults, which by and large were not that awful, at least the ones I know about. It is a word that is designed I think to hurt and insult and question a person's authenticity or whatever. Their sophistication may not be high, but I think they are authentic something. Well, my sophistication is not that high either..I still want that ice cream with the shamrocks in it and a tiara that lights up and plays Irish eyes are smiling. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: J-boy Date: 18 Mar 11 - 01:29 AM I think the holiday was co-opted long ago and turned into a strange and mutant version of it's original meaning. It's almost enough to make me sober. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Eliza Date: 18 Mar 11 - 08:09 AM There is discussion in England re 23rd April being made a Bank Holiday, and folk being permitted to fly the cross of St George flag. (Apparently it's not PC to do so, in case one is inciting racism and supporting fascist movements such as the BNP) We could, having obtained the All Clear, turn it into a super Plastic English Day. Parades, everyone in red and white etc. I'd be thrilled, as no doubt Morris dancers of all types would be everywhere. I see nothing wrong with a bit of benign nationalism, it fortifies identity and brings communities together. I don't see it as 'thumbing the nose' at other groups. Can't we be proud to be English? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Steve Shaw Date: 18 Mar 11 - 08:28 AM Well Michael Parkinson (who forces me to leave any room with a telly with him on it) is both a real Yorkshireman and a professional Yorkshireman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 18 Mar 11 - 08:39 AM Say what you like about Michael Parkinson (and the plain speaking folk in Heckmondwyke) if you send him money for the rest of your life, you get a free biro. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Will Fly Date: 18 Mar 11 - 08:57 AM There's a fine line to be drawn between symbols of nationality, on the one hand, and stereotype and cliché on the other. Commercialism drives the whole business inexorably towards the latter: shamrocks, harps, Guinness, diddly music, GREEN - or: tartan, shortcake, bagpipes, whisky, sporrans, claymores - or: red cross, morris dancers, tea & crumpets, bowler hats - or: pointed hats, shawls, choirs, rugby, lava bread - and so ad infitum and ad nauseam... pick your own. As for tragic histories, the world is full of them. I have ancestors who came to England from Kildare to escape the Irish potato famine and get work as labourers. I have ancestors who came down from Kinross and Edinburgh to try and get work in the Manchester cotton mills. I have ancestors from Norfolk in East Anglia who were part of the 47,000 agricultural workers - treated virtually as slaves - who were paid to be shipped off to Canada and Australia by benevolent clergymen and the squierarchy so that they wouldn't be a charge on the parish. And that's just my family - all documented by me. But I can't be bothered to celebrate any of it in any way. Who's the patron saint of East Anglian agricultural labourers? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 18 Mar 11 - 09:27 AM Statistically then Will. I wouldn't reckon too much of your chances. St. Sod - the patron saint of the terminally unlucky. Your family has probably been guided by his laws of the universe for generations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Will Fly Date: 18 Mar 11 - 09:30 AM St. Sod - love him and his Law! I'm told he also goes by the name of Murphy - and his motto is "Catch-22"... But, as you say, I'm lucky to be here - if I'm here at all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Amos Date: 18 Mar 11 - 10:03 AM I wish I were A Plastic Paddy Only for nights In West LA. And I would get me A flask of green beer To drink the night Of LA away. Where the streets are wild And the crowds unruly A roaring tide From square to square I wish I were A Plastic Paddy Wearing green braces In LA there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Richard Bridge Date: 18 Mar 11 - 11:59 AM Molly dancing derives (IMHO) from East Anglian agricultural labouring traditions. But I'm puzzled Will in that I think I remember a different religious heritage being claimed by you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Richard Bridge Date: 18 Mar 11 - 12:00 PM PS - a plastic paddy is someone without a legitimate claim to the Irish tradition pretending to be Irish. If I were Irish I'd be offended by such colonialism of my heritage. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River Date: 18 Mar 11 - 01:35 PM Peeople pretend ta be Irish so's they can get free drinks and party and raise hell, eh? Any flippin' idiot knows that! Who flippin' CARES if it offends the flippin' Irish? I sure as flip don't, and I AM Irish, eh? What I mean is...my fambly come over to Canada, like, from Ireland, eh? It was in the 18-flippin'-hunderds sometime when they came here, so all us McBrides are from, like, good oerijinal Irish stock, eh? But if I was not Irsih then would I pretend to be to, like, be Irish so's to get in on the fun on St Patrick's Day and get some green beer? Does a bear shit in the woods? Is the Pope Cathlic? I rest my flippin' case. - Shane |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Will Fly Date: 18 Mar 11 - 01:43 PM But I'm puzzled Will in that I think I remember a different religious heritage being claimed by you. Sorry to disappoint, Richard, but, as an atheist, I don't think I've ever claimed any religious heritage here on Mudcat, or anywhere else for that matter! I was merely commenting on the parlous state of the East Anglian agricultural labourer in the 1840s - all part of the hard times felt by the poor, whether English, Irish or Scottish. My Irish lot were Catholics; the Scottish lot were probably Presbyterian; the Lancashire lot included Wesleyan Methodists... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,lively Date: 18 Mar 11 - 02:12 PM Of course those not wishing to be called a "clown" might try avoiding the traditional comedy red nose, curly wig and oversize shoes uniform. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Amos Date: 18 Mar 11 - 03:20 PM Plastic Paddies fall into two categories--those just wanting to brawl, drink and hubbub who will take any excuse to do so, and those genuinely sympathetic to Irish causes, sentiments, or arts. I don't mind the latter--in a spirit of bonhomie, everyone is Irish on Saint Paddy's. The latter are just typical barflies, animal-like, and best avoided. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Amos Date: 18 Mar 11 - 03:21 PM I meant "former" in the last sentence. Sorry. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Mrrzy Date: 18 Mar 11 - 03:30 PM When I was in Ireland I was accused of being Plastic the instant I started morphing into the accent, then they just asked me what I was doing with an American so I knew I'd gotten the accent right! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 18 Mar 11 - 03:54 PM It is not a nice name period, whether they are bar-flies, drunks or whatever. Call them that if you need to call them names. And Amos I hope you are Irish-American yourself because regardless you have been out of line I think. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Richard Bridge Date: 18 Mar 11 - 04:01 PM Must have been someone else then Will, sorry, I thought it was you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River Date: 18 Mar 11 - 05:35 PM Were you insultin' me back there, Amos? You callin' me an aminal? I think you was. I demand an apologgy! You have flippin' insulted me, my fambly, and all them that are Irish. If you was in front of me right now I would kick yer ass, eh? - Shane |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Amos Date: 18 Mar 11 - 08:57 PM You could try, yonker; you could try. And may I point out I said "animal-like". A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Richard Bridge Date: 18 Mar 11 - 09:03 PM I find it quite ironic that St Patrick was an Englishman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Little Hawk Date: 18 Mar 11 - 10:05 PM He was? Why, that's almost unthinkable! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: J-boy Date: 19 Mar 11 - 02:47 AM I thought he was a Welshman. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:47 AM Animal like...! All my family were Irish, and I have meaningful relationships with monkeys, kangaroos and even one Aston Villa fan. So what if we do sing The Wild Rover, A Nation once Again and like to finish the evening off with The Soldiers Song (The Anthem), and affect an interest in hurling. Its only once a year. The so called whiskey is shite compared to Talisker, but you get a free Guinness t-shirt - if you drink ten pints. Then we go back to supporting Manchester United, with all the other intellectuals. How about a bit of Riverdancing! Yours unconvincingly Padraig Fingal Flaherty o'Pladhstic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:51 AM (just for the day, you understand....!) Did I tell you about the time me and Luke Kelly bumped into JP Donleavy and Oscar Wilde walking down a street in downtown Denver. Yours Padraig |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 19 Mar 11 - 04:12 AM The 'snakes' - was code for Druids - driven out of Ireland .... so would a plastic paddy have rubber snakes? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 19 Mar 11 - 04:34 AM On March 17th, he'd have anything and anybody. Rubber being a mortal sin, is particularly welcome...... Yours in bright Galway mornings, Celtic twilight and all times in between Padraig. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Allan Conn Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:23 AM "I find it quite ironic that St Patrick was an Englishman." Well he was a Briton anway. Whether he lived in what is now Scotland, England or Wales is debated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: InOBU Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:43 AM Reminds me, Allan Conn, of a Saint Patrick's Day card, I created in about 1978 or so... The cover was a stern looking St. Patrick, and the poem on the cover began: - Saint Patrick came to Ireland, our heathen snakes to slay... Then inside the card was a fairie in an easter lilly looking terrified and the rest of the poem: But the gob-shite Saxon bastard drove our feirie folk away, While the RUC arn't missing, and Paisly's alive and sinning, it's our croppy boys who lie benieth the Liffy's swell today. Ah, well, call you what you will, I care not a witt, Slan libh Is mise, le meas, Lorcan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Shimrod Date: 19 Mar 11 - 05:54 AM I'm English but where I live there are a lot of first and second generation Irish people. Everyone seems to get along fine and I haven't heard any racist name-calling for years. You would have to ask the Irish people if they still suffer from the disgusting name- calling that they had to put up with in the recent past (I hope not). The pub at the end of my road has an Irish landlord and, while a lot of pubs seem to be going under, he has a thriving local business. Apparently the pub was heaving on the evening of St. Patrick's day (I didn't go because I can't cope with packed pubs these days). I asked the landlord how it went and he said, 'a lot of people got drunk' (now there's a surprise!). In spite of this there was none of the sort of trouble that you get in a typical English town centre on any weekend of the year. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Richard Bridge Date: 19 Mar 11 - 09:28 AM Surely if the "snakes" is code for anything it was for the priests of the pagan beliefs that largely prevailed before St Patrick went about his proselytising there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:29 PM Now here is some festivities in Korea. I am sure people would have some snarky comments about them but I am glad they are celebrating, like I went to Carnival in Quebec years ago..know nothing of the history, spiritual background etc. but I did not make fun of them for dressing up like onions. I say to each his or her own and if people can have a spiritual day, or a important family history day, or just a day of harmless fun and recreation in this world of woe, just let them be. You don't have to enjoy them or participate yourselves, being far above that nonsense. If they are disturbing the peace then call the police on them. Otherwise, I say get off your high horses and let people enjoy the scraps of their heritage they have left, or other people not of the heritage enjoy it just as a good time. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:29 PM korea http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=134623128 now I will look for other places like Argentina, Nigeria etc. I say more power to them. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 19 Mar 11 - 03:49 PM Turns out St. Patrick is the patron saint of Nigeria..at least for the Catholics there. I hope they too can celebrate despite their massive troubles..that is when sometimes it is most necessary to celebrate. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Little Hawk Date: 19 Mar 11 - 06:41 PM Chongo always celebrates on St Patrick's Day, but he doesn't pretend he's Irish. He just likes any occasion to celebrate, that's all. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Smokey. Date: 19 Mar 11 - 07:15 PM Saint Patrick introduced Christianity to Ireland, and they celebrate the day he died. I can't see what's wrong with that. Just by way of fogging up the question of his nationality, his father was Roman and his mother was a Gaul, but I think he was born in what is now England. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: BTNG Date: 19 Mar 11 - 07:19 PM "Turns out St. Patrick is the patron saint of Nigeria" so you're saying he drove the druids out of Nigeria? :P |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Jim Carroll Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:07 PM "I find it quite ironic that St Patrick was an Englishman." Recent thoughts on the subject suggest that if St Patrick existed at all he was probably a Geordie - but we all have our own personal crosses to bear. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 20 Mar 11 - 02:47 PM There are no snakes in Ireland. (true or false) There are no Druids in Ireland. (true or false) Did he banish snakes or Druids? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 20 Mar 11 - 03:12 PM Are there really no snakes in Ireland? I wonder what the real reason is, if that's so? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Dave the Gnome Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:05 PM Only St. Patrick's day was 100% fun. Lent was abolished for the day. There was music and there was ice cream with shamrocks in it. The priests and nuns were happy and the nuns would dance little jigs. What a load of twaddle. Sorry, mg, if you come out with this sort of unresearched nonsense it is little wonder that some people decide that your 'Irishness' is little more that a sham (rock?) I was brought up in the Russian Orthodox faith and EVERY sunday in lent was a break from the fasting, abstainance etc. Every Sunday was a feast day. There are plenty of feast days that equal or better St Paddys - Including Epiphany, All Souls, Eid, Hannukah and dozens that I have never heard of. I understand fully your complaint about being called names - after all, the American Irish in New York and Chicago have refered to me as a Bastard Brit many a time. But if you want to be taken seriously then at least give us sensible reasons to do so. Cheers DeG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:07 PM What do you mean unresearched nonsense? This was my life. That is what happened. I could give a rat's ass if you take me seriously. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:17 PM I bet you snakes would do very well over there. Thers lots of green bits, you could start off with something easy....like grass snakes, and see how they do. Grass snakes would love snaking round all those mountains and things like that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Jim Carroll Date: 20 Mar 11 - 04:27 PM "Are there really no snakes in Ireland? " Contrary to popular misconception there are plenty of snakes in Ireland. They sit in the boardrooms of banks, build whole housing estates that nobody wants, and those unable to secure such plum lairs get themselves elected to the Dail. The latter have recently suffered a severe cull, but have been replaced by a whole new batch itching to get squirming Jim Carroll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Plastic Paddy Scouser) Date: 21 Mar 11 - 05:52 AM Jim, Bit harsh on snakes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Dave the Gnome Date: 21 Mar 11 - 06:50 AM I could give a rat's ass if you take me seriously. mg Why get so wound up about someone calling you a plastic paddy then? Let me refer you back to your opening post... "Let people have fun and don't call them" :-) D. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Richie Black (misused acct, bad email) Date: 21 Mar 11 - 07:22 AM In some ways it is a great compliment to the Irish people. How often do you hear of "Plastic Brits" or "Plastic Americans" . The Irish are well liked the world over, sadly the same cannot be said for Americans or British. St, Patrick's day is enjoyed throughout the world by many nationalities, Sadly St, George's Day seems to go unnoticed in Britain let alone anywhere else ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Jack Campin Date: 21 Mar 11 - 07:41 AM I find it quite ironic that St Patrick was an Englishman. Well he was a Briton anway. Whether he lived in what is now Scotland, England or Wales is debated.
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:47 AM I once helped a mate dig a hole in his pub car park. Does that make me a plastic paddy? People who crave to be and faun over Brits are known as Anglophiles. (Bill Bryson being an excellent example.) At least plastic paddy doesn't sound all posh and intellectual. Anyway, to be a plastic paddy, you cannot be Irish, so I fail to see who can be outraged by the term? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 22 Mar 11 - 10:34 AM You can and generally I think are Irish-American. To me it is equivalent to people calling others Oreos, Bananas, Apples etc., except it has an extra layer of ridicule. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 22 Mar 11 - 02:40 PM The true patron saint of Scotland was St. Columba, an Irishman. Forget St. Andrew because he never went there and his Gaelic sucked besides! Columba, on the other hand spoke the language of Heaven fluently and brought early Christianity to the Celtic tribes of Britain. Plastic Paddy indeed! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Allan Conn Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:35 PM "Columba, on the other hand spoke the language of Heaven fluently and brought early Christianity to the Celtic tribes of Britain." I think that is a wee bit of an exaggeration though. Christianity was present among many of the tribes of Britain long before Columba arrived. Even in Scotland itself St Ninian's mission at Whithorn predates Columba by some way - and in Strathclyde the likes of St Kentigern (who's mother was also a saint) were basically contempories of Columba. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Allan Conn Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:54 PM Ninian supposedly travelled from Whithorn to preach to the southern Picts (presumably in the Fife, Perthshire region). St Patrick in a later letter actually complains about the King of Strathclyde being allied to Scots and 'apostate' Picts. Likewise Iona missionaries are often incorrectly attributed to bringing Christianity to the Anglian Northumbrians. Again the Northumbrians may have temporarily looked to and favoured that church but the religion was already present. Oswald with others had fled to Iona to escape from their rival Edwin who became King of Northumbria. Edwin along with thousands of his subjects were supposedly baptised by St Paulinus the Bishop of York and churches etc were built. when Edwin died the exiles returned and when Oswald became king he looked to Iona who had harboured him rather than to the Roman Church to the south who had been in league with Edwin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: Sandy Mc Lean Date: 22 Mar 11 - 07:56 PM No argument there Allan but I am one who does not comprehend the arrival of Christianity as being an improvement on the teaching of the Druids! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: maple_leaf_boy Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:10 PM Was Kessog mentioned yet? I didn't see his name. In the Saint Andrew's Day thread, there is a story about how he(Andrew) became the patron saint and his cross adopted as the flag. I don't have connections to Ireland. I like their music, though. I see it more as a religious holiday. In the R.C. church, the feast day of every saint it acknowledged. If you go to daily mass, the preacher will say "Today we celebrate the feast of St. John the Baptist" for example. Saint Patrick was a very successful Christian missionary. He may be the most famous. In my opinion, the religious Irish people, as well as the diaspora mark his feast day to say "Thanks" for bringing Christianity to them. So do religious people, who don't have any connections to Ireland. They mark the feast of one of the most prominent missionaries of Christianity. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,mg Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:17 PM I do not think that is the case at all in America U.S. Why would there be a parade? Everyone would be in church. Why would people wear green? It is partially a thumbing your nose type of thing..part of we could not do it in Ireland (wear green) so we will do it here. Part of it is celebrating surviving the famine, although parades etc. existed before famine. It is a way to collect people who are scattered. It is way more than religious holiday in America U.S. It was not a holy day for us, although it is in Ireland and at least parts of Canada. It was not a particularly religious day..in fact, religion was toned down more than any other day of the year. Like I said, lent was cancelled for the day. Friday I think was even cancelled..you could eat meat if I recall if it fell on Friday..the only other Friday was day after Thanksgiving. There were not special masses etc. that I can remember. It was a weakening of religious fervor rather than strengthening. Again, it was U.S. America. We all know they did it differently in Ireland did not sing McNamara's Band. mg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Plastic Paddy comments From: GUEST,Alan Whittle Date: 22 Mar 11 - 09:56 PM The other thing people remember about Columba is the raincoat, and how he used always turn back and say, 'Jest one more thing....' Anyway, I think you're right. patron saint of Scotland. Scottish kids should be made to remember everything in the entire boxed set of dvds. If we don't make a positive effort in that direction, kids will grow up thinking Scottish history and culture started with Mel Gibson, and Aly Blain playing that bloody fiddle. |
