BS: Manchester ...

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 May 12 - 03:20 PM

Aye - Paul and I also share a common school - De La Salle but he managed to stick it out and I couldn't cope with the homework! Obviously he has the brains. Or a liking for an all boys education run by catholic monks? ;-)

I have only lived in Irlams o' th' Height 9 years - The previous 50 were in Swinton. The Dog and Partridge, which was our second nearest pub by about 10 yards, has now been closed becuase of the second or third shooting. The remaining 3 locals are now all Holts houses, which if anyone shot into no-one would notice. In fact, one regular was hit smack in the middle of the forehead by a 9mm bullet. Missed his brain by about 20cm...

Still rather live here than S**g sheep in Derbyshire though...

:D (tG)

(Says he who will probably be moving to the Yorkshure Dales as soon as the house is sold!)

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 28 May 12 - 02:50 PM

Hi

Paul I too was born in Manchester and have lived there for most of my life. Never been shot at, never seen nor heard a shooting.

The only shooting I ever see here is at Old Trafford. I too have season ticket.

By the way....well done City but we ate after that title back next year.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 28 May 12 - 10:15 AM

OK Paul, I guess you must be right, please accept my appologies, we are thick and stupid, my mistake I didn't see the joke coming. This is just so much funnier:

And once you've come from Lancashire
You'll never go there again!

Isn't it

Best wishes

L in C#

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 May 12 - 03:49 PM

God you're like Scousers without the humour and intelligence. I know Manchester well- I was born in the former palace of the Bishop of Manchester (Bishop's Court, converted to flats after the War). And can exchange chapter and verse about Irlam's o'th' Height with that Gnomic person. Worked in Hulme when the flats were dangerous territory, knew Wythenshawe when it was aspirational and the docks when they had ships, was scared of the lads from Collyhurst. Preferred the blue Ashton trolleybuses to red Manchester ones. Played in the Exile when Des Donelly played at the Bull. Saw the fishermen's wives waiting for them to come home in the evenings on Trafford Road (my aunt's explanation). And couldn't give a toss about United or City.

Didn't I come from Lancashire?
It's great to come from Lancashire,
Where women all wear clogs and shawls
And men are really men-
It's great to come from Lancashire,
I'm proud to come from Lancashire,
And once you've come from Lancashire
You'll never go there again!

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 27 May 12 - 02:05 PM

Club football, in England and beyond, should be REGULATED back to how it was - mostly locals in MEANINGFUL competition; or in verse - http://walkaboutsverse.blogspot.co.uk/2011/03/walkaboutsverse-98-of-230.html

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Barb'ry
Date: 27 May 12 - 12:03 PM

Born and bred in Manchester - also never been shot at whilst sitting in a pub, nor, for that matter, walking around the streets, sitting at home or shopping.

I was born within sight of Old Trafford, am a season ticket holder, love football but that definitely is not all there is to Manchester.

Paul, you made a stupid remark - perhaps you realise that. I hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 27 May 12 - 08:32 AM

Well Paul I have never been shot at neither have I shot anyone - so far, perhaps you are wise to decline to say where you live?

Best wishes

L in C#

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 May 12 - 07:11 AM

Hands up ~~ how many of you Catters who live in Manchester have ever been shot at while sitting in a pub?

Try not to talk bollox all your life, Paul... Just give it a little rest from time to time, eh?

~M~

Londoner originally myself, now living near Cambridge: no axe whatever to grind except that I have always found Manchester a perfectly agreeable city whenever I have visited it.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 May 12 - 07:00 AM

Far enough from Manchester to be able to sit in a pub without being shot at...

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 27 May 12 - 06:06 AM

Hey Paul,

But they aren't,true, and it is!

Where do you live Paul

L in C#

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Paul Burke
Date: 26 May 12 - 04:35 PM

If football results were all that mattered, Manchester would be a wonderful city.

But they aren't, and it isn't.

Marx? Opium?

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 26 May 12 - 02:23 PM

He, he!

L in C#

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: HuwG
Date: 25 May 12 - 03:46 PM

They're back again.

After Manchester City came top in the Premier League a fortnight ago, I was watching their procession through the centre of Manchester in an open-topped bus. There was a intermittent "beep, beep, beep" noise in the background which I could not place at first.

It was Manchester United's open-top bus reversing into the garage.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 19 May 11 - 02:03 PM

MJK I used to love watching him bat. He inactual fact was one of the first to wear contact lenses, if i eremeber correctly.

Brian Close. What can you say about him. One big tough nut, when cricket was played without all the pansie protection they have today. I think he would have died if he was forced to wear what they do today.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MikeL2
Date: 19 May 11 - 11:14 AM

hi Arthur

Yes Jim Cumbes is a bit of a character. Always good fun to be around.

Whilst talking about double Internationals I hope I won't be too far from the thread title if I mention Mike Smith. Mike (MJK) Smith was an England test Captain at Cricket and also played for England at Rugby Union.

I saw Mike several times at both sports and I believe that he was at that time the only player to wear spectacles at rugby and one of very few at cricket. Now of course at cricket many wear "shades".

This "disability" at cricket certainly handicapped him against the faster bowlers and though a prolific scorer in County Cricket for Warwickshire his England performances were to say the least disappointing. Indeed at the time many said that had he not been the captain he would have had difficulty in making the team.

Another player worth a mention for his ability to play multiple sports well at the highest standard is Brian Close.
Brian was a controversial person and ruffled some feathers as a hard unmovable player.

A great all-rounder at cricket he represented England many times and was selected as caption for a short period where England when undefeated under his leadership.

Close was also a youth international at football but cut short his football career to concentrate on cricket.

If you add to these the fact that he was a scratch golfer playing left-handed and low single figures right, you will see t hat Brian was a talented sportsman.

Apologies for the deviation but then again Close did play in Manchester many times !!!

Cheers

MieL2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 19 May 11 - 02:07 AM

So what's all this twitter crap with Rooney then?

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: WalkaboutsVerse
Date: 18 May 11 - 04:39 PM

Born in Manchester, I used to follow United, but have lost all interest in our "Premier" League football: it should be regulated back to how it was - mostly locals in MEANINGFUL competition; or in verse - http://walkaboutsverse.webs.com/#98

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 18 May 11 - 11:07 AM

Mike, from my memory Jimmy Cumbes was a bit of a character. Don't know if he is still.

He wasn't a bad goalkeeper for the Villa.

Here is a link to good ens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_cricket_and_football_players#First-class_cricket_.2F_England_football_team

3 of note for me were

Eric Houghton, who played for Warwickshire and Villa and was an England international.

Ted Drake - Hampshire, Arsenal, Southhampton and England

Geoff Hurst - Essex, Stoke, Baggies, Hammers and England

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 May 11 - 10:48 AM

Sorry to continue drift, but

A 52 above should of course read 54: I can count, honest

B One more really interesting fact about the man I once saw as he passed by & exchanged greetings with my form master ~ "He stood [i.e. umpired] with Frank Chester at The Oval in 1938 during England's record Ashes victory of an innings and 579 runs." If I have it right, that was the match where Hutton made a record test score which stood for years ~~ possibly until Lara happened along?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 May 11 - 10:26 AM

From Wiki~~~
···Frederick Ingram "Fanny" Walden (1 March 1888 – 3 May 1949) was an English professional footballer who played on the right-wing for Northampton Town, Tottenham Hotspur and at international level for England during the 1910s and 1920s. He also played cricket for Northamptonshire and was an English cricket umpire.
Walden was born in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire and after playing football for various clubs in his home town, he started his professional career in 1909 at Northampton Town, then playing in the Southern League.
On 13 April 1913, he was transferred to Tottenham Hotspur for a fee of £1,700. Being only 5 ft 2 in tall he was often described as a 'diminutive winger' and known for his 'darting jinking runs down the right flank'. His small stature also accounted for his nickname 'Fanny' which was in common use during his time to describe those of 'dainty physique'.····

I record this here because this thread reminds me that I once saw this distinguished man in the flesh after his retirement. In about 1942 when I was 10 and he would have been 52, he would come to coach senior cricket teams at Northampton Town & County School which I attended 1941-43 while evacuated to Northampton during the War. This little man walked past a group of us juniors waiting to bat, and said a polite 'Good afternoon' to our form master, one Mr Baskcomb; who then, when he had gone out of earshot, told us who he was & his distinguished sporting history as rubricated above; & we all gazed awestruck after him & watched as he coached our 1st XI on the main pitch...

Just one of those memories which indulgence in Mudcat threads will dredge up from one's remote past from time to time.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 May 11 - 09:50 AM

hi Michael

Yes I remember the Comptons very well.
Denis Compton was a fine cricketer being an all-rounder. He did not bowl as much for England but his batting was enough to win many a game. With Bill (WJ) Edrich the became known as the Middlesex twins. Denis became more famous than his brother and featured in the Brilcream advertisements among others.

Leslie Compton was a "stopper" Centre Half in a great Arsenal side. Though I don't think he ever played cricket for England.

Being from ooop North I remember another double international at football and cricket in Willie Watson. He played for several clubs - principally Sunderland - and England.

At cricket he was a classy left-handed batsman and played most of his career with Yorkshire ( where he was born -as did any player chosen for Yorkshire in those days) and Leicestershire. Willie was also a very fine fielder when this activity was not one in which many cricketers of that era excelled.

Another double international I remember was Arthur Milton of Gloucestershire. Another lefthander who played for Arsenal among others.

Arthur - I know Jim Cumbes - he is now Chairman of Lancashire Cricket Club.

I have a double recognition of sorts - I have played against Jim both at cricket and football - in friendlies of course.

cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 11 - 09:17 AM

It Bites played in Manchester last Saturday, and jolly good they were too!

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 18 May 11 - 09:02 AM

Jimmy Cumbes played cricket for Lancashire, Worcestershire and Warwickshire amongst others and played for Villa and the Baggies amongst others as goalkeeper

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 May 11 - 08:51 AM

Ah, well now, when you get to the cricket/football double, it is the Compton Bros, Leslie & Dennis, Arsenal & Middlesex, & England for both, who shone. Esp Dennis, who held many Wisden records in his time. I saw them play both games too, of course, to add to above list. They were also from my part of London ~~ born in Hendon, went to Bell Lane school, the primary school just round the corner from Hendon County, my secondary school, whose 1st XI goalkeeper I was during 2 seasons, 49-50. Dennis Compton's main Middx & England batting partner, Bill Edrich [according to wiki their partnership total has still never been surpassed] also played soccer for Spurs & Norwich City. He took one of the best deep catches on the boundary that I ever saw, against the Australians at Lords in, I think, 1946.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Brakn
Date: 18 May 11 - 07:24 AM

You learn something everyday.

Raich Carter (Raich was short for Horatio) played cricket for Derbyshire.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 May 11 - 07:06 AM

Hi Brakn

You are of course correct. Money speaks volumes and in the end the teams with the most money will end up highest in the competitions.

However this is true in almost all sports not just football and not all in the same degree of millions.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 May 11 - 06:13 AM

Probably just as well that Cardiff won't now be joining them then?

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Brakn
Date: 18 May 11 - 05:52 AM

So Mr Mancini.... disregarding the £300,000,000 that City have spent on players (1 billion if you count wages).... how do you think you beat Stoke?

Out of 18 teams in the Premiership, 12 of them haven't got a hope. What a waste of time.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MikeL2
Date: 18 May 11 - 05:46 AM

Hi Michael

Yes indeed....Raich Carter. he is the best player that I have ever seen.
A wonderful controller of a football and a brilliant thinker.

As I was living in Hull for some time I saw him play often.

But my outstanding recollection of him was when he came to Old Trafford and totally ran the game for Hull. He was here there and every where. He took all the corners,throw-ins and even some of the goal kicks.

He was also a good manager with Hull where he "discovered" Don Revie and Leeds United.

An outstanding player, Manager and person.

Thanks for the memory.

Regards

Mikel2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: alanabit
Date: 17 May 11 - 04:38 PM

Alf Ramsey must have been playing then, wasn't he? Man City have just come off the Eastlands pitch with a 3-0 win. That means they have to get the same result as Arsenal on Sunday to get third place.
Arsenal will be away at Fulham and City at Bolton (not Blackburn as I thought earlier). It is going to be exciting!

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 17 May 11 - 04:20 PM

I can still recite the team that beat the Busby babes in 1957 in the FA Cup Final :-) Sims, Lynn, Aldis, Crowther, Dugdale, Seward, Smith, Sewell, Myerscoff, Dixon, Macparland

The names from my youth who I saw live.

Peter MacParland, Johnny Dixon, Gerry Hitchens, Stanley Matthews, The Busby Babes, Ray Barlow, Ronnie Allen, Don Howe, Bert Williams, Billy Wright, Ron Flowers, Bill Slater and more and more...

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 May 11 - 03:48 PM

Tommy Lawton, Ted Drake, Raish Carter, Ted Ditchburn, Ted Burgess, Joe Mercer ...

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 May 11 - 03:12 PM

The names from my youth... Tom Finney... Stan Mortensen... Bert Trautmann... Stanley Matthews... Nat Lofthouse... Johnny Haynes... Jackie Milburn... Len Shackleton... Billy Wright... Duncan Edwards...

And so many others!

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 May 11 - 02:49 PM

Hi Will & Michael

I love this nostalgia.

As for me, it may be fitting to recall that Manchester United played Blackpool in the Cup Final in 1948.

United won 4-2. We went as a family, my grandfather, father and myself.
Obviously as a 10 year old I was excited and thrilled.

Do you know; though I sometimes forget my Pin Number I can still recite the team.

Crompton,Carey,Aston,Anderson,Chilton,Cockburn,Delaney,Morris,Rowley ,Pearson,Mitten.

No foreign players in this team !! Though I suppose in those days we would consider Carey and Delaney as "outsiders".

My father's name was jack so my favourite was Jack Rowley who scored two goals in this game. Stan Pearson & John Anderson scored the others.

It will be an entirely different experience for me going to watch United v Blackpool on Saturday. I have no doubts that Blackpool will go for it. Could be an entertaining afternoon.

Regards

Mikel2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 May 11 - 01:08 PM

Well perhaps World War II had a hand in it somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 May 11 - 01:02 PM

Absolutely right, Will. Why have England dropped Cliff Bastin, do you think?

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 May 11 - 12:10 PM

I used to support the Trotters but gave up when Nat Lofthouse retired.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 17 May 11 - 11:34 AM

I `d that Abu Ben `adj in my cab the other day. `im from the Arabian oil fields with in-exhaustible piles of serious dosh.
I said, " Morning Sheik. Which bank you buying today?".
`e said, "Nah Jim, I gotta-nuff banks. We`re `aving a meeting about our foray into the sports business".
I said, "What, you gonna buy NIKE or REEBOK then?".
`e said, "Nah, we`re in the early stages of buying next year`s FA cup!!".

Whaddam I Like??

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 17 May 11 - 11:34 AM

That made me laugh Will. You have to be old enough to understand that one LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 May 11 - 11:13 AM

hi Will

I know you are getting on a bit but I think you have been asleep for 100 years !!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Will Fly
Date: 17 May 11 - 10:48 AM

I dunno what football's coming to these days, when an England captain can marry a bleedin' pop singer. Anyway, in spite of everything, I hope Billy and Joy will be very happy...

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MikeL2
Date: 17 May 11 - 06:47 AM

<"Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: HuwG - PM
Date: 16 May 11 - 07:05 PM

As part of their FA cup-winning celebrations, Manchester City are to exhume Peter Swales, their controversial former chairman who died in 1996.

He had the key to the trophy room in his top pocket. ">

Hi HuwG

....ha ha ha...Oh and when they do ask them to look if their is an old Lonnie Donnegan record there that I bought at his shop and forgot to pick it up....lol

I used to work with his partner in crime Noel White; but Noel did rather better than me !!!

MikeL2

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 11 - 04:53 AM

I do too - and Good luck on both counts:-)

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: alanabit
Date: 17 May 11 - 04:29 AM

Let's just see what happens. You never really know what to expect. There have been those horrible "Munich" chants, which make us look cheap and brutish. However, on the actual anniversary of the crash at Old Trafford three years ago, the City fans observed the minute's silence with impeccable decorum and dignity. I hope we see the better side of them tonight.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 11 - 03:43 AM

The club may decide that, Alan - But I am not so sure the fans will be able to conatain themselves!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: alanabit
Date: 17 May 11 - 02:32 AM

One piece of news I did like was that City do not plan to parade the FA Cup tonight at their final home fixture of the season against Stoke. I hope they stick to that and show a rare bit of respect and good manners towards their opponents tonight. Sport all round could use a bit more of that.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: HuwG
Date: 16 May 11 - 07:05 PM

As part of their FA cup-winning celebrations, Manchester City are to exhume Peter Swales, their controversial former chairman who died in 1996.

He had the key to the trophy room in his top pocket.

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: alanabit
Date: 16 May 11 - 01:32 PM

A disgraceful ditty there from Nigel Parsons. I would probably fight him if I were not giggling so much!

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: Arthur_itus
Date: 16 May 11 - 01:19 PM

M
I don't support them, but it is a shame that Lincoln do not have a team in the football league. They were bloddy good when Turnip head was manager.
What amazes me is the sad demise of Brian Little.
Brian as manager of Villa in 1995–96 he had a the most successful season at Villa Park in years. The club finished fourth in the Premiership, reached the FA Cup semi-finals and won the Coca-Cola Cup with a 3–0 win over Leeds at Wembley. Trinidad and Tobago striker Dwight Yorke had now firmly established himself as a world-class goalscorer. Villa qualified for the 1996–97 UEFA Cup and although they were knocked out at the first stage by Swedish part-timers Helsingborg, they qualified for the 1997–98 competition after finishing fifth in the Premiership.
He is now manager of Gainsborough Trinty in Lincolnshire.
Hard to imagine.

Anyway, there is only one club for me Villa :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Manchester ...
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 May 11 - 11:45 AM

Arthur ~ Sorry about Lincoln, Do not blame the goalkeeper too much, however: I am sure he did his best, and, as an ex-goalkeeper myself {Hendon County School 1st XI 2 seasons 1949-50}... I always used to say to my team-mates that a really good team shouldn't need a goalkeeper.

~M~