BS: Sexting and digital genitals

Subject: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:03 PM

What is not discussed on all the purient million dollar cable news shows is that sexting is like phone sex and is a less than private form of masturbation. It is not masturbating in public.

By this measure should we expect healine tommorrow that President Obama is masturbating in the WHite House? Did he use the same hand to shake hands with the public?

At most this sexting thing is like virtual assisted masturbation but it is not cheating on ones spouse or flashing people on the SUbway.

That men must clear the pipes as a matter of necessary health is no more heinous than a woman having a period.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Megan L
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:05 PM

You are disgusting

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:27 PM

Megan is right. This should be removed, it's not what the folks here want to discuss. There are sites for people like you, and this isn't one of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:32 PM

The Wienergate scandel is disgusting but is the taboo of digital exhibitionism reason enough to be banned from public office.

If he initiated his digital exhibitionism against the will of others, that is creepy and wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:33 PM

I've been out of the loop on this tabloid scandal fodder so had to do some research, and a comment I saw in The Mail made me laugh:

"Who does this Bonehead think he is, a Kennedy!?"

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:34 PM

Should all the women who have appeared naked on the internet wear the scarlet leeter and be shuned from future emplyment? Of course not. It irks me that Brietbart is not seen as a villian nere.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:43 PM

Incidentally I knew a man who divorced his wife for feeling the need to 'clear her pipes' in the same internet assisted way as Weiner, in fact he found pictures of her crotch on the internet too. After he divorced her he went on to commit suicide and left a teenage boy behind. I guess not everyone shares your attitude about pipe cleaning.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 05:56 PM

Thing is, it hasn't sounded like mutual anything to me. It's sounded more like digital flashing. If it's mutual, and PRIVATE, no problem, but it's stupid.

At some point, they showed the photo with un-obscured lumpy underwear, and I wasn't all that impressed, except by the stupidity someone in public office had to be capable of to actually send that to someone else's phone.

Breitbart is a jerk who should be pied at the next possible public opportunity.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:02 PM

That men must clear the pipes as a matter of necessary health is no more heinous than a woman having a period.

Are you suggesting that a period is akin to a week-long venereal tornado? Or that onanism is the male curse? Thing is, leave it long enough and the theory is that the pipes start cleaning themselves as the genitals go into auto-discharge mode. Thing is - no male alive has ever had the self-control to put this to the test - not even Ghandi who only slept with tender-age girls to test his resolve with respect of his goat-like fondness for the old heave-ho, but reportedly clobbered his gong (J. Arthur Rank) with a daily frequency that would put most ten-year old boys to shame.

Sheesh! In the name of Priapus what's Mudcat coming to, eh? Down with sort of thing! (Careful now!) This is indeed and most certainly not what folks come here to discuss. Now to look up sexting and digital genitals on line. Meanwhile, Joe - for the sake of the children - please, close this thread down!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Little Hawk
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:25 PM

I'm really glad that I hadn't heard anything about whatever it was in the news that inspired this discussion....till now. ;-) Now let's see how long it takes me to forget that I heard about it here, and get on with something else. I'm bettin', oh...10 or 20 seconds.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Wesley S
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:30 PM

"but it is not cheating on ones spouse "

Ahhh - try convincing your wife or significant other that sending a nude picture of yourself to another woman is AOK and not cheating. Then get back to me with her reply....

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,999
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:37 PM

"This should be removed, it's not what the folks here want to discuss"

Now, go to your corner, Don. The Mudcat membership has spoken! Well, a member who speaks for all of Mudcat. Well, someone, anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:53 PM

Whilst the subject matter is a tad... I don't have a word for it, and I find some posts disturbing, it is a legitimate thread and should not be removed. It does not meet the given criteria for removal. Thank goodness. Free speech and all, eh?

I suggest those offended shouldn't read any more of this thread or POST any more to this thread. But hey, that's just MY opinion... feel free to tell me what I should read and what my opinion should be.

I doubt Max cares any more than I do about your opinion. Thank goodness.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:56 PM

I'm sorry, but I think all this is just FUNNY! What do Alpha males DO?


Is sex MORE offensive than rascism?

Let the poor man get on with his downfall.....a LOT of men come to their downfall because of sex. We women know it is only a means to an end......(joke there, but the wimmen will get it)

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 06:59 PM

"We women know it is only a means to an end"

Some of us men know that and are paying for it....(joke there but the men will get it)

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:05 PM

Yup, Bob, in one! LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:06 PM

I have to say that, despite whatever trouble the guy's in with his wife, his constituency, and Congress, this is pretty funny.

Weiner Tweeted his weiner... by accident. He TWEETED it...on Twitter! Guy pulled a boner... not a big boner, but still a boner. I think it proves that common sense isn't necessary to be in Congress (as if we didn't already know that).

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:11 PM

This whole thing is very funny. I hadn't realized he was a dem until now... and his name is Wiener! I mean, what an idiot! Did he really think no one would see it? At least he had underwear on!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:17 PM

He tweeted it? What did he tweet it with? Obviously not respect.

I went into a "sex shop" a while back. It's a few steps from the end of my street and I was out for an evening walk. Figured I would go see what I was missing. I was taken aback! I don't think the lady that runs the place cared for me laughing as I viewed some of the stuff. It all seemed odd to me but, whatever floats yer boat eh?

Whips, chains, strange outfits, things I NEVER thought would fit anywhere... rather, ah, er, enlightening? Well, I had a few good laughs anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:20 PM

What is this about? I mean I know about sexy text messages, and I know about sending rude pictures by email or phone message, not that I personally do it, but why are people getting their knickers (if any) in such a twist about it?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:23 PM

I'm trying to get the spelling straight, but it's hard. I think it's Congress-guy Weiner, and the sausage is a wiener. I believe that one of those things is pronounced "wine-er" and one is "wee-ner", or at least they were theoretically pronounced differently pre-Twittergaffe.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:25 PM

Since none of us have remotely similar ideas about HOW to 'discuss' issues of sex and/or morals¹, or what the real issues are in this case, I find it pretty silly to keep on with this.


1)(some of us may have similar standards, but that's far from having the same language terms or concepts of what format is relevant. VERY few folks can approach sexual discussions in anything remotely resembling a neutral way.)

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:30 PM

Richard, Google "weinergate". It's probably better than me linking to one particular article.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:41 PM

Now, it could well be that Don should adjust his medication, or at least learn the meaning of the term "TMI"....but I can't see any precedented reason for removing this thread...

What does Spaw have to say about it???

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Sorcha
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:41 PM

Try to add 'wanker' to the mix and it gets even funnier!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 07:52 PM

Here's an example of what I was talking about above... Is Internet sex cheating? Many folks say yes

"Many folks" are just doing a programmed response to the question... and the question itself is inadequately phrased.

And yesterday, several pundits on MSNBC spent 15 minutes debating whether the issue was important enough to *BE* debated when so many other things are begging for serious attention.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:39 PM

A TV interview with one of the half-dozen women he'd supposedly "weinered" gave me only two impressions:

1. That particular person didn't seem to be partucularly offended, and had trouble suppressing her giggles.

2. When being interviewed on TV it would be "polite" to put the chaw away, or at least stop chewing your bubble gum while you're talking (but she didn't).

John

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Bobert
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 09:59 PM

Let's get real here...

20,000,000 will go the beach this weekend and will remove their shirts...

Anthony Weiner removed his shirt and sent a pic to a lady who he had already had some level of contact with so that removes the harassment issue???

Who cares???

Where is the *********harm***********???

He didn't do this with government $$$$...

Okay, I'm sure he has some dance -of-the-dieing-duck issue with his wife but that's the end of it...

I mean, if ya'll think that he should resign then check out Vitters, Engle, Wide Stance, on the other side...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Jun 11 - 10:11 PM

John maybe the producer provided the gum he he



male emissions and female menses

The same? completely equivaent? identical?

never said that they were.

However they are both natural bodily functions.


As for Weiners wanker, if he inflicted its image upon some unsuspecting person who did not invite his wee wankeritude, then he is guilty of indecent exposure at the minimum.

Joe Offer that is a cheap shot linking me with drug use.
I don't believe that the idea of a Congressman masturbating is shocking. For Republicans to cry for his arrest and firing is hard to swallow.
Perhaps younger people are unaccustomed to speech about such a taboo as sex or masturbation (sub-sex) as well as older people no longer seeing the whole subject as such a big deal or mystical mystery.

........................
Ms. lively, I feel no guilt whatsoever regarding you claim that one person killed themselves over internet masturbation jealousy. IT is a tragedy that no one could speak sense to him when he needed some.

For a person to divorce and commit suicide because their lover masturbated in whatever bizarre way they chose, seems most likely due to an immaturity and taboo silence surrounding the subject of sex combined with a lack of any sense of self worth.

To put it more eloquently, it sounds like a matter of worshipping the wrong thing person or idea. You see everyone worships. Even atheists worship.
Anthoney Weiner sounds like a guy who worshipped himself. It is said he behaves like a bully to his staff. His needs, his jollies is first and formost in his church of Weiner.

Other people might worship intellect and they will crumble when they are proven stupid or unaware. Some people may worship beauty and it will fade from day to day. Depending upon what you worship is how you either find yourself liberated or enslaved.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 06:56 AM

I hardly expect *you* to feel guilt for the misdemeanor (or not) of another party! Just saying that posting intimate pictures of oneself to a stranger over the internet, can have consequences.

If your wife were sending pictures of her lady parts to another man (via the internet), you might see it as a simple biological necessity just like having a period, but I'd be surprised if most married men would be so pragmatic.

So as far as sexting is concerned, I guess it all comes down to what understandings one has with ones spouse and how honest one is regards ones sexual behaviours either within or independent of your relationship.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 07:01 AM

Oh PS, I certainly agree that sexual indiscressions are irrelevent to one's job, just so long as you are not using the power or influence of your professional position, to sexually impose on others.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 08:39 AM

Talk about a tempest in a tea cup!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 08:40 AM

This incident has been one of the best gifts to comedians in several eons--as Jon Stewart acknowledged last night.    You really need to catch his "press conference" apologizing for how he has covered the issue--and as a result turning the Daily Show over to John Oliver , whose accent (British) "falsely makes you believe you can trust him."    Then John Oliver promises to deliver the "pre-pubescent jokes" the Daily Show audience had been waiting in 90- degree heat to hear.

Then the show tells us how men's obsession with their own sex organs has been responsible for so much progress:    Edison, for instance, realized that there were 12 hours in the day when women could not see his phallus--so invented the light bulb to alleviate this problem.

A woman points out that if you are a 7-term Congressman and a woman is still not interested in you, dolng what Weiner did is just not going to close the deal
What women really want is a a phallus which is a good listener, nurturing, etc.

I've also heard, for instance, one explanation of why Weiner did it:    to make sure everybody knew how to pronounce his name.

Also heard last week that it had been a bad week for cell-phone users:    1)   your phone may make you sick 2)    you may get a tweet from Rep Weiner.

This incident is the gift that keeps on giving.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,999
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 10:23 AM

Much Ado About Nothing.

I agree in part with those who have questioned the 'taste' of this thread, but personally I don't give a rat's ass. I fail to see the difference between what Wiener did and what telemarketers do. Just go ahead and try to get THEM blocked. Hell, Palin appears on the www scantily clad. We've all seen Arnie stripped to his bare loin cloth. Burt Reynolds with his dickey hardened. Who gives a shit, really?

"A rich rocket scientist organizes an expedition to the moon, which they discover is inhabited by nude women." That is the summation of a 1961 'sci-fi' movie. NASA musta believed it, because come 1967, well, ya know.

I recall the Fugs in the 1960s who did a song entitled "Wet Dream Over You." It didn't change the world. Neither will this.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 10:33 AM

...and because when Weiner wasn't 'indulging' in his hobby, he was an outspoken, intense liberal and critic of Republican foolishness, those same Republicans will use this to hound him out of Congress. His offenses may not come up to the standard of some of recent Republican shenannigans, but the rules are different when a Democrat slips.....just ask Erik Cantor.

Too bad Weiner didn't save SOME of his otherwise good sense for his private life.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 11:18 AM

Whether its impeaching a sitting President over a blow job, technicly lieing about a BJ, or Weiner sending pictures of his naughty bits, the whole idea of legal private personal behavior is being criminalized by social conservatives. When Spitzer paid a prostitute he lost the Govenorship. When Vitter saw a prostitute he was re elected.

Little Hawk is half right when he says this is a sordid forgettable affair but when viewed as a political social phenomena it really does have great import on the principle of freedom and privacy.

Instant gratification and instant exposure over the internet compounds this issue. While everyone knew about FDR's mistress and his wife's sexual preference it was not a big deal. Now virtual sex by private masturbation in the privacy of his own home is considered grounds for investigations, firing and criminal probes just seems beyond the absurd.

Stewart had me laughing out loud last night. (blood and all)
There really is a powerful appreciation of shaudenfreud in this country.

Though the scandal is pithy it sure is a pity that a man who fights for the rights of the common man and not corporations has suffered a great fall and is reduced to letch who may soon crawl away. Forty years ago I did not expect smoking cigarettes would become an offense prosecutable by law. Today I am begining to suspect that masturbation in private may become the next new misdeamenor in the American culture war.




PS

Notice that not another man here stands for masturbation. I guess they all sit down for it. In this day there is more bandwidth devoted to internet porn than any other single subject, but that is a different debate I suppose.


note to lively,
I speak the way I do not because I am nasty or mean. I speak frankly because I have the morals to back up my integirty. I have never cheated on my wife, ever. I have never broadcast pictures of my genitals. Prior to marriage I could count the number of lovers on my fingers, and a few toes. Many people have thousands of sex partners because it is as normal as shaking hands for them. To each their own.






A warning for people who worship romance or sexual promisuity; it will lead to a constant feeling of having to maintain a frequency or competiveness that will end in a feeling of personal failure, disease, misplace jealousy or betrayal. If you over complicate anything including masturbation you are in for a mighty big fall.
Just ask Keith Carradine. oops, too late for that.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,lively
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 11:55 AM

Donuel, did my posts sound like I was accusing you of being nasty or mean? I would hope not!

"Whether its impeaching a sitting President over a blow job, technicly lieing about a BJ, or Weiner sending pictures of his naughty bits, the whole idea of legal private personal behavior is being criminalized by social conservatives. When Spitzer paid a prostitute he lost the Govenorship. When Vitter saw a prostitute he was re elected."

RE Clinton, I don't care what any powerful political leader does with their private bits (so long as it's all consensual), but I do care if a powerful political leader lies when under oath, whatever it is they choose to lie under oath about (and however they try to bend the rules about what words mean).

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 12:17 PM

Wrong Carradine, Don. It was David.
I agree with you pretty much. About the only thing that bothers me is that the guy could make such a dumb mistake, but I suppose that's another thing to bother me: that a guy can make dumb mistakes because of proclivities.

And Don, were you rhyming on purpose?

"Though the scandal is pithy
it sure is a pity
that a man who fights
for the rights
of the common man and not corporations
has suffered a great fall
and is reduced to letch
who may soon crawl away.
Forty years ago I did not expect
smoking cigarettes
would become an offense
prosecutable by law.
Today I am begining to suspect
that masturbation in private
may become the next
new misdeamenor in the
American culture war."

Not a criticism--I'm impressed. You can rap that, man! Word...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 12:54 PM

Hmm I knew I was rhyming the first part but the second part was unconscious.
12 years ago I posted mostly on Words on Fire.com which was mostly a black poetry site. I became personna non grata there when I critcised Farrakan and the president of Zimbabwe but when I said that I did not know who Beyonce was and thought she was just another singer and dancer without a political cause, I GOT BANNED!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 01:06 PM

Weiner was a piker! satellite penises

I guess it depends on how...ummm... real you view the image.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 03:27 PM

http://www.pompeii.org.uk/img/pompei_proibita_mini.jpg



When much of the excavation of Pompeii was done, a mosaic in the main room of a wealthy home revealed the legendary 'Bigus Dickus'.
It was a common theme displayed in many homes and was not vulgar but rather humorous as we might see a dogs playing poker picture.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 04:09 PM

Today in the 'news', I have seen 3 different commentators and/or emails from listeners categorically state that (paraphrased)"online sex is cheating and immoral, just as much as if it were physical in person."
None of these seemed to bother saying "in my own personal opinion" or even admit that different value systems and circumstances might be relevant. I heard ONE commentator allow as how it 'might' depend on whether one's spouse would likely be upset at certain activities.

Whether Rep Weiner keeps his job or not, it is interesting that so many people have simplistic, black and white views of morality and decency and can barely comprehend - much less tolerate - attitudes that differ from their own. I take the trouble to say all this because it illustrates a general problem inherent in choosing and evaluating elected officials. I worry that the traits of intelligence & competence to do the job are far less meaningful to the average voter than their superficial claims to some religion, moral system and ability to bring money to their district.

....oh, by the way, I DO think Weiner has handled it all poorly and used bad judgment in his 'hobby'. I do not think it is grounds for resignation... so far... but I sorta think it would affect his chances for re-election next year.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 04:45 PM

"Notice that not another man here stands for masturbation. I guess they all sit down for it."

It depends how good the internut porn is.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 04:57 PM

Don, I got to see that in real life. (The image, not the actual penis.) It's a fresco, not a mosaic, of Priapus. It was right by the door, and quite a few people took a photo of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Ron Davies
Date: 08 Jun 11 - 11:09 PM

Supposedly Breitbart (of all people) has a far more sexually explicit photo of Rep Weiner (again taken by himself? ).   If so, it don't look good.

And women in Rep Weiner's district are not happy with him.

He is in deep kimshee.    Possibly getting deeper.

Just talked to a young woman (about 21) tonight.   She is bitterly disappointed--since she thought he was one of the strong liberals with his head screwed on straight, and she had high hopes for him to be a power center in opposing the Right.

Hope he has a sword handy to fall on soon.    He may need it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: GUEST,999
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 12:48 PM

"Notice that not another man here stands for masturbation."

That's cuz we tried it once and didn't like it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: frogprince
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 01:59 PM

There's nothing new about elected officials messing around, and in most cases it may not affect their ability to serve effectively. But this was a kinda like messing around on the White House Lawn in daylight.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 02:51 PM

999... SOB! I haven't ejected my drink thru my nose in years but it was either that or spit it on the screen. HAHAHAHAAAA!

I need a tissue... for my tears... hehehehheeeeeee!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 03:16 PM

I'm not a moralist. I don't care in the least what anyone does or with whom they do it. However, equating cyber-sex and simple masturbation ignores an important point.

I used to feel there was no difference between cyber-sex and masturbating to pornography, but I'm no longer of that opinion. The images and videos proffered by the porn industry are fantasy. Though the people are real, the viewer doesn't interact with them as real people. His relationship to them is strictly imaginary and 100% impersonal.

But when two people watch each other live on the Internet it's no longer impersonal. It's a form of shared intimacy, even if the two people don't know each other in real life and live thousands of miles apart.

Masturbation is a solo experience, but when two people do it together, whether in the same bed or simply connected via the Internet, it's not just masturbation. The mechanics may be the same, but there's more to it. It's sex between two people.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexting and digital genitals
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Jun 11 - 03:54 PM

The sad part is that we simply can't afford to lose a progressive congressman. What the hell was that idiot thinking?