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GUEST,Nebucanezzar Bumblechook 24 Jun 11 - 05:40 AM
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Subject: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Nebucanezzar Bumblechook
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 05:40 AM

Looking through the Folktrax online site to check info for the ongoing Pete Kennedy thread, I found this:
"before Lonnie Donegan arrived, John Hasted had "Skiffle" going at Cecil Sharp House and Peter had told George Martin of an outstanding group of Quarrymen in Liverpool."
Wow! I am really impressed.
NB


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 06:40 AM

Old news, Neb - in fact Kennedy was distributing Quarrymen field-recordings as part of his Folk Music of Lancashire series as late as 1969, albeit on the Folk Black Market.
Famously, he issued an edition of the Beatles White Album made up entirely from 'field-recordings' he'd 'collected' from radio broadcasts in various locations, subsequently copywriting them under the assumption that he owned the original masters - a point of Folk Ethics that caused some considerable outrage at the the time.
"I'm not selling the White Album," a philosophical Kennedy explained. "I'm selling field-recordings of the White Album made during radio broadcasts collected in coffee houses, public houses and peoples' houses. The White Album material is, at best, incidental to these recordings - what I'm recording is the Folk response to this material."
Most famous (and poignant) of these is a young Beetle fan in her bedroom on the Wirral sobbing her heart out as she listened to a broadcast Revolution Number Nine on Top Gear.
I trust Topic will give these recordings special priority.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Nebucanezzar Bumblechook
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 06:50 AM

Which reminds me that somewhere in the attic I have a cassette of the Beatles Black Album - a racist product with imitation chat by the Beatles and parody rewrites of some of their songs in praise of Enoch Powell etc. Makes me ill to think again about it.
NB


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Nebucanezzar Bumblechook
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 06:50 AM

Which reminds me that somewhere in the attic I have a cassette of the Beatles Black Album - a racist product with imitation chat by the Beatles and parody rewrites of some of their songs in praise of Enoch Powell etc. Makes me ill to think again about it.
NB


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Neb again
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 06:51 AM

How did that happen - I only hit one button once!
Snarl
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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 06:59 AM

How did that happen - I only hit one button once!

A quote first attributed to Kennedy of course...


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:09 AM

By himself? (of course...)


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 07:35 AM

Hilarious.
He also lent Ringo Starr,a jock strap so he could reach the high notes, and when he saw he was still struggling, kindly volunteered to kick him in the Goolies, it was at this point that John Lennon intervened, pointing out that it was the prerogative of members of the group to perform such an honour.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Suibhne Astray
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:23 AM

Also (it is alleged) Kennedy claimed to have copyright over the phrase 'Yellow Submarine' after having 'collected it' from grafitti on a toilet wall in the Cecil Sharp House following one of the infamous EFDSS curry nights, circa 1965, and so copped a slice of the royalty of the 1966 hit song, which though sung by Ringo is a L&M composition also supposed to be inspired by the same grafitti at CSH, only, it seems, Kennedy got there first.

The wrangle continues to this day, which is why Liverpool's sight-seeing amphibian tourist attractions are called Yellow Duckmarines to avoid paying royalty to the Kennedy estate. I have in my keeping a rare press review edition of Kennedy's encyclopedic Folk Songs of Britain and Ireland which features a folk-processed traditional variant of Yellow Submarine he claims to have collected from the singing of an unnamed source-singer, a former sailor in the US Navy, in Yarmouth in 1967.

In the old sea town, where I was born,
There I grew to sail the sea,
And I spent much of my life,
In the hunting of submarines,

Oh we'd sail out in the sun,
Where the sea was e're so green,
But there sailed beneath the waves,
The dreaded yellow submarines,


Why it was pulled from the official edition I can't possibly say, perhaps on grounds of Political Correctness, or maybe as American Folk Song Kennedy felt it had no place therein.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 08:55 AM

possibly, because it associates yellow with something to be dreaded, which is of course yellowist.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Doug Saum
Date: 24 Jun 11 - 01:13 PM

FYI - If you wade into the recorded history of the song "Get Back" from the LET IT BE sessions you may find that there are some early takes wherein Pakistani's are directed to leave England and "Get back" to where they once belonged. D


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Peter blow
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 01:18 PM

I got to know Peter well before he died. He did tell me that John Lennon asked him to get him a pair of silver topped uilleann pipes made for him by the MacPeake family in Belfast a month or so before Lennon was killed. Peter told a marvellous story about the pipes came back to Northern Ireland. The first Francis MacPeake made a pair of pipes but couldn't get any sound out of them. Well they sent for a blind piper down near Cork. He was delivered to the MacPeakes in the back streets of Belfast in a wheelbarrow. He was obviously given numerous pints of porter for a tune during the long train ride. The railway people pinned an envelope on the pipers lapel, stating for delivery to the MacPeaekes.

Kennedys recordings are truly phenomenal. Peter Blow, Peterborough, Canada


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 01:44 PM

The story as the McPeake's tell it is a bit different. Lennon wanted to learn the pipes and the McPeake's supplied an instrument. The deal involved Fancis McP. going to London to teach Lennon. An apartment was organised but FMcP (in his version) decide he didn't fancy leaving Belfast for London and he pulled out. Soon after Lennon lost interest and the pipes were returned. They are still with Francis McP. This all took place well before Lennin was killed, around 1968-ish and contacts, in the McPeak version, were through the Beatles' management.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Cj
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 02:31 PM

My version is different again: John Lennon was furious with Ewan McColl for appropriating the love of the working class using the medium of folk-ish music and had asked for a set of pipes so he could re-take the ground. Unfortunately, when they arrived, Lennon didn't have a clue what to do with them and sent them to McPeake as a gift. McPeake sent him back a song he'd written, Working Class Hero, and gifted the authorship to Lennon in exchange. The rest is history.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: GUEST,Blandiver (Astray)
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 02:47 PM

Hey. I was just chortling over some of those posts above when I realised I wrote them myself. Crikey! Strange as I have no memory whatsoever of doing so. I especially like the bit about the field recording of the young Beetles (sic) fan weeping as she listens to a radio broadcast of Revolution Number 9, though these days I'd have her (so to speke) in her tiny bedroom on a council estate in Bootle, sobbing into her souvenir John Lennon pillow circa 1964.


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 05:04 PM

hey, I too was just chortling over one of the posts above when I realised I wrote it myself, I had no memory of doing so either, do you think we have had our minds controlled by aliens?


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: Reinhard
Date: 14 Mar 16 - 05:17 PM

Is it April 1 already?


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: Vic Smith
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 06:48 AM

Dick Miles wrote:-
" do you think we have had our minds controlled by aliens? "


Discuss.....


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Subject: RE: Peter Kennedy First to Spot Beatles
From: Mo the caller
Date: 15 Mar 16 - 08:37 AM

Must admit I scrolled back to the top of the thread to see if it was started on Apr 1st


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