BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..

Subject: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 09:13 PM

Well, well, well....

Seeing as Perry is about to self destruct I figured that we needed a thread with a longer shelf-life title...

Looks like Romney from my vantage point...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 09:19 PM

Well... a search on "Cindy Jacobs" and "Pam Olsen" may help others see why Perry has more baggage than he can carry!

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 09:32 PM

Huh???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:03 PM

Oh, I first read this as just presidential... in which case I would have said, George Clooney as a write-in Independent. Draft the most decent rich guy we can think of. But who would be a decent VP, then?

For the OP, let me see (it ain't G any more!), who is the least electible?

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:08 PM

Apparently, none of them is a shoo-in for the primaries. And it's not clear how well anyone who could win the nomination would fare with the less right-extreme population in the general election.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:09 PM

Chongo leaves the rest of them in the dust. There is clearly only 1 real choice in 2012. Vote for the chimp. He is not afraid of lobbyists and bankers. He is not afraid of the military. He is not afraid of Israel. He won't suck up to them and meekly do their bidding as soon as he is elected. And you sure as hell can't say that about any of the others. Vote Chongo in 2012. If there is no APP candidate in your riding, write in Chongo Chimp for president of the USA.

Join the Whisky Party! Beats hell out of the Tea Party and the Coffee Party both. KREE-GAH!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:19 PM

a search on "Cindy Jacobs" and "Pam Olsen"

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:22 PM

So word on the street that there won't BE a next election is wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:30 PM

Oh, so God hates Democrats???

(No, Bobert, God hates everyone...)

He does???

(Yeah, here's how it works... You gotta a gay cousin in California and so God blows up someone's house in New Jersey... Get it???)

Well, no, I don't...

(Okay, let me explain it to you... You know why they name Hurricanes after guys these days don't you???)

Well, no, I don't...

(Listen up... It's because some guys are homos... You know what I mean???)

Well, no, I don't...

(Ya' see, Bobert... Gay guys scare the heck outta God so He has to blow up the house in New Jersey... Get it yet???)

Well, no, I don't...

(I'm sorry, Bobert, but you must be a retard...)

Geeze...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:30 PM

Of course there will be a next election. The mythology must be maintained. It is essential that the caged continue to imagine that they are "free". That's the difference between humans and chimps...chimps can clearly see the bars of their cages when they are imprisoned in a system and they know well what has been done to them. Most humans don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 10:42 PM

Oh.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 11:03 PM

I don't know who this insane God is whom you are talking about, Bobert, but it sure isn't the God I've read about in a vast number of excellent books from a vast number of spiritual traditions and independent modern viewpoints. It sounds to me like some lunatic thing that some very fearful people made up in their own dire image a long time ago and then foisted upon themselves, imagining that they were "right" about it.

I suppose that such a God would hate everyone....considering it had been born out of fear...and was in the business of judging and condemning its own progeny.

I don't accept the notion of such a God at all, never have, and I wouldn't give my allegiance to such a God even if I thought it existed. If you think, however, that everyone who believes in God does accept the notion of such a God...maybe you are the one living in fear, imagining that your brothers and sisters are as bad as you think they are.

God is not the exclusive preserve and patron of fundamentalists, Republicans, right wing fanatics, homophobes, and other such people who haunt your political anxiety closet.

It is not a simple RIGHT-LEFT dichotomy thing.

Put it another way: Just because some ignorant and violent people have been known to like and wear blue jeans does not mean that all people who like and wear blue jeans are ignorant and violent. Capiche?

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: catspaw49
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 11:08 PM

I love Rachel Maddow. A true master of sarcasm with a smile......I watch her every day and she had a great time with Perry's "Prayer-a-Palooza" event. Gotta' admit, MSNBC has a nice and varied line-up.


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 11:14 PM

The God above is the Tea Party God, LH...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: GUEST,markS(on the road)
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 11:38 PM

Figured Perry was a sacrificial lamb from the get go, taking away attention from Palin and Chrisy.
Stay tuned..............

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Sep 11 - 11:45 PM

Having had a quick look at stuff about those two (Olsen and Jacobs) I am quite taken aback that they are apparently public figures rather than inmates of what used to be called lunatic asylums.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 03:43 AM

I dont know this Rachel Maddow catspaw, but i'm sure she hasn't a patch on Little Hawk.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 08:49 AM

Okay, Bobert. ;-) Just so we agree that it's not everyone's idea of God.

Rachel Maddow? I haven't met (or seen) her. As for this Republican presidential nominee race...I look at it sort of like the old fright night shows on late night TV back in the 70s...Frankenstein's castle...SCARY! SCARY! One wonders what sort of hideous creature will next come shambling out of the darkness as the wolves howl and the organ music builds to a crescendo!!!!! ;-)

I look at the usual Democratic primary process in a similar way...but a few less cobwebs and fangs to be seen, perhaps...certainly no less blood to be spilled.

I think it's one big, giant, money and time-wasting destructive farce...a political charade which would do the Wizard of Oz proud. No one sees the little man behind the screen. No one knows his (their) name(s).

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Stringsinger
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 11:00 AM

If you really want informed commentary, choose Keith Olbermann on Current T.V., Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, and Thom Hartmann on Free Speech T.V. and you can pretty much cut loose the rest. Cenk Yuber will soon be on Current T.V. for honest reporting. Remember that MSNBC is owned by GE (who brings good things to death as a military contractor) and will muzzle certain stories that need to be told ie: Wall Street demonstrations or reporting on Iraq and Afghanistan, (the latter which is done by biased embedded journalists).

Perry, Bachmann and Mitt are opposed to Evolution, Global Warming and the economic rights of working people. Their "job creators" are job exploiters and these Three Stooges are working for wealthy corporations.

The Tea Party is a vicious, ugly comedy.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 11:48 AM

Make that vicious, ugly TRAGEDY.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 12:03 PM

I've read some of Thom Hartmann's writing. He's a brilliant man.

As for being "opposed to evolution", it seems like a self-defeating position to me. We are all evolving, every day of our lives. I gather, though, that the phrase refers specifically and ONLY to being opposed to Darwin's Theory of Evolution. If so, it's a very narrow take on the situation, because that's only one way of looking at evolution, and I think evolution happens in a harmonized way on a number of quite different levels, not all of them evidenced by physical changes in organisms which can be quantifiably documented using the tools of science.

But that's something that probably has not occurred to either Perry, Bachman, and Romney....or many of their most dedicated "liberal" political foes. You've got a set of religious fundamentalists on one side and a set of material science fundamentalists on the other hurling brickbats at each other, each certain that they KNOW the ONLY way to "the Truth". To them it's all about Darwin vs the Bible. That would be like thinking that the entire great field of world politics is all about the Green vs the Orange in Ireland (and about nothing else whatsoever). Fine if you think so....laughable if you don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 01:34 PM

Well said!

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 07:28 PM

Richard Bridge...Olsen & Jacobs are just 2 of many similar folk who wave Perry's banner. He also has preachers ....and organizers of right-wing lobbying groups who seem to organize what Olsen & Jacobs just babble.

It is durned scary~!

(You can look up Rachael Maddow on the WWW and see some of her programs...or just short clips of particularly 'interesting' shows.)

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 09:14 PM

Romney at the Republican presidential debate in 2007: "I believe that God designed the universe and created the universe, And I believe evolution is most likely the process he used to create the human body."
A bit of tightrope walking, maybe?

Earlier speech: "In my opinion, the science class is where to teach evolution, or if there are other scientific thoughts that need to be discussed," he said. "If we are going to talk about more philosophical matters, like why it was created, and was there an intelligent designer behind it, that's for the religion class or phiosophy class or social studies."
When governor of MA, he opposed the teaching of intelligent design in science classes.
NY Times, May 11, 2007

What this has to do with jobs and the economy, I don't know. If he has a program that creates jobs, he could believe in the Great Pumpkin, for all I care.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 09:32 PM

"Asked about global warming at a town hall meeting in Lebanon, NH, Romney said he believed the world is getting hotter and humans contribute in some way to the change- but could not judge to what extent. "Do I think the world's getting hotter? Yeah, I don't know that but I think that it is," he said. "I don't know if it's mostly caused by humans."
"What I'm not willing to do is spend trillions of dollars on something I don't know the answer to."
In June..... Romney caused a stir by saying he thought humans had contributed to climate change to some extent. At that time he made a call for a reduction of "Emissions of pollutants and greenhouse gases that might be significant contributors" to climate change...

Reuters, James Pethokoukis, August 25, 2011.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Sep 11 - 11:30 PM

What Romney is quoted as saying above in the last 2 posts sounds pretty reasonable to me. It sounds a lot more reasonable than being a fanatic who insists on believing ONLY in God or ONLY in Darwinian evolution...or a fanatic who insists on ONLY believing in manmade global warming or ONLY in denying it. He seems to be saying that he doesn't know it ALL about such matters! How refreshing. I wish more people would do that.

Keep in mind, I'm not a Mitt Romney fan. I don't yearn to see him elected. I'm just saying that what he said in those quotes sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:19 AM

"he could believe in the Great Pumpkin, for all I care."

Et tu, Brute? First it was Santa Claus, then the Easter Bunny, and NOW the Great Pumpkin. I suppose next you imply that the Tooth Fairy's not rea--arrrrrrrrrrrg, I give up.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Stringsinger
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 10:55 AM

I remember Romney at a TV event surrounded by Black children and flippantly sporting with them about the song "Who Let The Dogs Out?" and woofing it up. I thought of the Mormon propensity for god punishing dark skinned people.

Wall Street and Roger Ailes like Romney which should give you a clue as to what that means.

Perry, in the meantime, is wearing his collar high with French cuffs in order to downplay his "cowboy" image for the Wall Streeters.

I have to interject that this "fundmentalist science materialism" label is crap. It's religious folk who are promoting some sort of "belief" because they can't understand non-belief. Not well said.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 11:17 AM

98% of climatologists agree that the CO2 from man burning fossil fuel is the reason for global warming... One (and I can get his name) was one of the first to predict accurately some 35 years ago the current parts per million in CO2 gases we have today... Global warming isn't a matter of opinion... It is scientific fact...

The people who profit from burning this stuff are the ones who have spend billion$$$ over the years to create doubt... But to the science community, there is no doubt...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 11:49 AM

Bobert,
The guy you are talking about is Wally Broecker of Lamont Doherty Geological Observatory. I saw him give a speech when he won the Priestly Award in 1990 - he had already been studying and warning about CO2-driven climate change for 10 years at that point.

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 12:04 PM

Perry, in the meantime, is wearing his collar high with French cuffs...

Why doesn't he just put on a clown suit & get it over with?

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 12:12 PM

President Perry.

(Reminds me of the two cannibals eating a comedian. One turns to the other and asks, "Does this taste funny to you?")

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 01:32 PM

Thanks, TIA...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Republican Presidential Nominee Thread..
From: GUEST,999
Date: 27 Sep 11 - 02:39 PM

"Svante Arrhenius (1859-1927) was a Swedish scientist that was the first to claim in 1896 that fossil fuel combustion may eventually result in enhanced global warming. He proposed a relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations and temperature. He found that the average surface temperature of the earth is about 15oC because of the infrared absorption capacity of water vapor and carbon dioxide. This is called the natural greenhouse effect. Arrhenius suggested a doubling of the CO2 concentration would lead to a 5oC temperature rise. He and Thomas Chamberlin calculated that human activities could warm the earth by adding carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. This research was a by-product of research of whether carbon dioxide would explain the causes of the great Ice Ages. This was not actually verified until 1987."

from

http://www.lenntech.com/greenhouse-effect/global-warming-history.htm