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Are racist, but traditional, songs OK?

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The Sandman	19 May 21 - 01:30 PM
Big Al Whittle	19 May 21 - 04:10 PM
GUEST	20 May 21 - 10:34 AM
Jeri	20 May 21 - 10:42 AM
GUEST	30 Jul 23 - 04:37 PM

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Subject: RE: Are racist, but traditional, songs OK?
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 May 21 - 01:30 PM

It was a comment about the fact you're repeating yourself. quote
at least what i have to say is worth saying

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Subject: RE: Are racist, but traditional, songs OK?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 May 21 - 04:10 PM

I always love the dance scene in Fort Apache.

First, theres the regimental march to St Patrick's Day.
Then Henry Fonda dances to Golden Slippers with the Sergeant's wife.
Fonda dances so daintily. Quite beautiful...

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Subject: RE: Are racist, but traditional, songs OK?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 21 - 10:34 AM

"Matt, I don't know that a black person would need to identify the girl as black. Why not just "girl"? I understand your point, though. I just don't know that I'd agree with it. In all cases."

Well whether he needed to or not, that's what the (black) musician Leadbelly sang when he recorded it.

It would be interesting to hear Rhiannon Giddens or Dom Flemons perspective on that song and those particular lines - it is a patriarchal/macho/threatening address ('black girl, black girl, don't lie to me, tell me where did you sleep last night?). But unquestionably much more so when coming from the mouth of a white person.

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Subject: RE: Are racist, but traditional, songs OK?
From: Jeri
Date: 20 May 21 - 10:42 AM

Agree with that, GUEST.

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Subject: RE: Are racist, but traditional, songs OK?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Jul 23 - 04:37 PM

Does this thread need fixing? Posts before 29 Jul 20 seem to be from a different discussion.

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