BS: Repubs self-destruct?

Subject: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 04:10 AM

Poll: Santorum catches Romney; both Republicans trail Obama

LA Times 13th Feb 2012.

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/13/news/la-pn-poll-santorum-surges-past-romney-both-republicans-trail-obama-20120213


As republicans cleave to the lunatic economically and militarily illiterate homophobic oppressor of women Santorum at the expense of the only slightly barking vulture capitalist Romney (leaving the serial polygamist and philanderer Gingrich like a newt out of water) - the non-idealogues have seen the light.

The USA under the republicans would be headed back to the dark ages, ruled by superstition and hate with the economy such as it would be controlled by the economic equivalent of local warlords.


A decent sized mandate for Obama would stand a chance of some ordinary Americans getting tolerable healthcare, less dreadful support against misfortune, and maybe just maybe a chance of advancement in a country where social mobility crashed under the "rich takes all" policies of the stupid idealogue Ray-gun and the even stupider allegedly reformed alcoholic Bush junior.


Arise Americans and cast off the chains of the right.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 08:36 AM

Here's a graphic that illustrates the problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 09:53 AM

A graphic worth a million words.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 10:26 AM

Good ol' Barry! - "In your heart, you know he's right NUTS."

Ain't thought of that in 52 years.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 11:07 AM

"Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism."

In many ways I liked Goldwater. He certainly ain't what we'd recognize as a politician these days, excepting people like Kucinich and Sanders. He spoke his mind, and while I did not like a few of his stances on issues of the day, ya always knew where he stood because he'd tell ya. We ain't none of us got that in politics anymore. People liked Truman so much that they call him Harry, and when the name Harry is said in political discussion it attests to the enduring quality of honest statements from honest people, whether we agree with them or not.

I think both major parties in the US are self-destructing. My hope is they don't take the nation with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 11:27 AM

Bruce, I agree with every word.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 11:48 AM

Another politician I have come to admire for his outspokenness is Barney Frank.

He has announced that he is going to retire at the end of his current term. He deserves a hell of a party (no pun intended).

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 11:53 AM

Hi, Ebbie. It's great to 'see' you. That quote from Goldwater is one I've always liked. Another is the following:

"Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have."

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 12:10 PM

'"I will miss this job, but one of the advantages of not running for office is I don't even have to pretend to be nice to people I don't like," said Frank during a press conference in Newton.'

Frank was and is frank ['It is, of course, further indication that a fundamentalist right has really taken over much of the Republican Party, People might cite George Bush as proof that you can be totally impervious to the effects of Harvard and Yale education."]. He in many ways reminds me of WC Fields, a character whom I have always felt a kinship.

That's the kind of people countries need in governance roles. Frank said he would retire and concentrate on writing, and that he had NO intention of becoming a lobbyist. (I expect that would have been punctuated by a pttui into a spittoon in bygone days.)

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 12:44 PM

Agree mostly with your comments on Barry, Bruce. He WAS a fairly straight shooter- even if I thought some of his ideas were pretty dangerous.

In addition to Barney Frank, there's Bernie Sanders - for whom the NATION, nut just Vermonters, should be thankful.

AND he was born in Brooklyn! What's not to like???

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 12:53 PM

With enough $$$ and a good PR firm Hitler could get a favorable rating in Israel...

I am more than a little concerned that the ObamaHateBrigade will spend what ever they think they have to defeat Obama... They are already buying up gobs of advertising time slots in prime time in the 30 days before the election... These slots won't be available to Obama no matter how much money he can raise...

And the worst part about it is that $1B is chump change for these right winged anti-tax, anti-regulations, anti-American wack jobs...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 01:11 PM

Eisenhower, Lodge, Rockefeller, Nixon, Goldwater, and even old Bob Taft would have a problem in today's GOP...............


Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 01:13 PM

I am surprised to see here and elsewhere a tide of fondness for Barry Goldwater.

I remember the response slogan as "In your guts you know he is nuts" - and that's just the way I felt he was.

I also remember the parody of a Goldwater stump speech.

"My Fellow Americans

Ten

Nine

Eight

Seven" (cue canned laughter)

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 02:04 PM

I remember when Barry Goldwater was running for president. A large percentage of people (including some Republicans) considered him to be extreme Right-Wing. TOO Right-Wing.

Today, a large percentage of Republicans would consider him to be much too Liberal.

I heard an interesting statistic on this morning's news:   Obama's approval rating has climbed to 50%. Congress's approval rating has dropped to 10%.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Wesley S
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 02:36 PM

Hell - The "Party of Lincoln" wouldn't even consider him for President today.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 02:51 PM

An awful lot depends on polling methods and how & what questions are asked. "Which of the current crop do you prefer?" is quite different from "Do you LIKE any of them?"

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: number 6
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 03:50 PM

a quote from the move Sunshine ..... "I have seen the collapse of government after government, and they all think they can last a thousand years. Each new one always declares the last one criminal and corrupt, and always promises a future of justice and freedom."

Republicans / Democrats they will both self destruct, if they haven't already done so.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 05:50 PM

"destruct"?

Nawww... not necessarily. They ebb & flow... they change... sometimes a 'new' one pops up to reflect the times.

The Democrats of today are not the Democrats of the Dixiecrats of the 1950s & 60s....and the Republicans are decidedly NOT the Republicans of Abe Lincoln.

Culture & demographics & societal concerns change, and all parties juggle entrenched ideas with new demands...

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: number 6
Date: 15 Feb 12 - 10:38 PM

"all parties juggle entrenched ideas with new demands... "

Yup ... the 2 parties in all .... with a phony facade of unique difference which people fall for.

biLL

Subject: RE: BS: Repubs self-destruct?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 12:22 AM

Bingo, biLL.