BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered

Subject: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 06:57 PM

This is REAL damn funny:

President Obama's ancestry has always been a hot topic. Between the birther debates that the Supreme Court dismissed last month to the country's differing opinions about his race, the commander-in-chief's biological roots have long been a hot-button issue.

But the most recent discovery into the president's complicated genealogy will likely fuel even more chatter.

According to the New York Times, a team of genealogists has discovered the president's slave ancestry.

As the son of a Kenyan father and white American mother, Obama is an African-American in the most literal sense. But until now Obama's African American cred in a more contemporary sense had been a source of debate, since unlike most American blacks he was not thought to have descended directly from enslaved Africans.

However, the researchers say that not only did the president descend from an enslaved African, his ancestor was likely the first ever documented black slave in America. Furthermore, Obama's slave heritage unfurls from perhaps the most unlikely familial line: his white mother....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/barack-obama-slave-ancestry_n_1721018.html?utm_hp_ref=black-voices

There's lots on the web now about Frank Davis being Obama's likely father. Just do a web search and you'll find the articles, books and videos. Davis was a political activist that Obama's mama slept with. So, Obama's people counter the Davis stuff with this bullshit. So funny. They make up a story where Obama's not just a descendant of slaves, he's a descendant of America's FIRST African slave. So funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: bobad
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:03 PM

Oh gawd, here we go, more nutter fodder.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:19 PM

"So funny."

So the idea that someone may have slave ancestry is funny to you? Or is it just funny because that someone is Obama?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:24 PM

I would suppose that the majority of African Americans in the good ol' U.S. of A. (best country on earth!) have slave ancestry. Why the hell does this surprise anyone? Did Africans decide to come here voluntarily, on a cruise ship, perhaps?

What the fuck is wrong with some people?????

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:34 PM

In songwronger's case Greg, his tinfoil hat sprung a leak and his last remaining brain cell seeped away.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:35 PM

The man Obama says is his father was from Africa. His ancestors never made the slave trip to America. Barack Obama Sr. was African.

So Obama could never claim slave roots. Until now. His white MAMA is descended from African slaves. And from the FIRST African slave in America. lol

And this is funny because the Obama team bares its racist ass at every opportunity. No game plan but race.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Beer
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:42 PM

We were all hurt at one time. My mother only got angry when the deportation of the Acadians came up in conversation.

Obama is a refreshing addition to American politics. I sure as hell hope he gets a second term.
Adrien

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:49 PM

While I believe it's possible Songwronger is just a teeny bit obsessed with Obama, his reference was the Huffington post.

Doesn't really mean anything, but it's interesting. That's the main thing my mom cared about when she did genealogical research: the stories about ancestors. One guy enlisted in the Continental Army when he was 91 years old, fought in the revolution, and applied for a pension some time after that.

Having a guy in my family tree who'd escaped from indentured servitude and been sentenced to "servitude for life" in 1640, well over a century before the USA was the USA would be quite the story. Most of us can't do such a detailed search, but imagine if the New York Times could delve into your history!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Beer
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 07:51 PM

Love your story Jeri.
ad.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 08:18 PM

Hey, Songwronger - go fuck yourself.

Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 09:03 PM

One of MY ancestors (around 1855) told his sister that he helped slaves escape from the South, cross the Ohio into Illinois, and then take the across the Mississippi and sold them back into slavery in Missouri.

I'm not particularly proud of him, but then that was 90 years or so before I was born. Frankly, I don't really care -- after he told his sister this story he was never seen again.

I think that if you checked your own mitochondrial DNA you'd find all SORTS of "racial" background...assuming you're a member of the human race.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 09:04 PM

"Ancestry.com Discovers President Obama Related to First Documented Slave in America"

I fail to see the reason for this thread. If the problem is with Ancestry.com, it would seem best to take it up with them, no?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 09:11 PM

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((yawn))))))))))))))))))))))))))

B;~)

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Rapparee
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 09:14 PM

Ya know, I saw this on a news website -- AP, UPI, CNN, something. I didn't give a rat's ass then and I don't now.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: frogprince
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 09:22 PM

Wrong Song, ninety-third verse
Could be better, more apt to get worse...

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Elmore
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 09:40 PM

O'Leary,O'Reilly, O'Hare, O'Hara, There's no one as Irish as Barack O'Bama.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 09:56 PM

". . . the commander-in-chief's biological roots have long been a hot-button issue."

Why the hell should it MATTER!???

My God, man! I've got a Scotsman in my ancestry!

Lemme see, now. Which "racist ass" were you talking about, Songwronger?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:00 PM

The Obama machine thought that pure African blackness was the way to go, so they touted a daddy born in Kenya, with dreams for his son, blah blah blah.

But now Obama's in trouble. His foreign-born blackness isn't playing well. How to fix it? Make him an American slave descendant. But how to do that, since his daddy was 100% NOT American?

Say his MAMA is the black African slave descendant. Yeah. His followers bought the hope and change stuff, and they support him killing Americans secretly, so let's give them "Obama's a descendant of the black slave family of Shirley Ann Dunham."

I mean, how fuckin stupid do you have to be to fall for that stuff? I know that the Obama team has to keep racism on the front burner so the true nature of the man won't come under scrutiny, but come on. Obama's going to claim a backdoor to slavery through his MOTHER?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: meself
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:05 PM

You are trying to be funny - right?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:07 PM

It'll be interesting to watch this CIA creature morph from his "Harvard law professor" personality to the new "forty acre and a mule" personality now. Before, he couldn't talk about how "his people" had been oppressed, not with any HOPE of being taken seriously, because his blackness came from Kenya. But now he's suddenly a survivor of the African holocaust. Such utter hypocrisy. This race card is the size of a quilt. What a fuckin creep.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:13 PM

Ancestry.com did the research. WTF does this have to do with Obama?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:14 PM

No, not funny. Obama's a creation of the CIA. His family has a history of covert government service. He was fast tracked into the white house because he could be of use to the intelligence services. But he was sold to voters as pure, and he's as dirty as they come. Witness his murderous Obamacare tax on the poorest 10% of American society. He's a monster, but the people who put him in office are counting on democrats not being able to see beyond the color of his skin. But that skin story is wearing thin now, so the story has to be reinvented. Suddenly Obama's a Sufferer because of his slave heritage. Utter bullshit. Ludicrous.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:19 PM

True. NOT funny.

Songwronger's crappola, along with being pure fantasy, is the rankest form of racism.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:35 PM

Songwronger, I am curious about the answer to one question: In a hundred words or so, how did/do you feel about George W Bush?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:36 PM

That's hate speech, Firth.*

The point about Ancestry.com doing the research is an interesting one.

Why this over-the-top ludicrous story now? And all of Obama's records are sealed, so who would have the power to crack into them and turn up this new "information?"

Ancestry.com is based in Utah. The Mormons are big into genealogy. Mormon, Utah, Romney. Dirty politics? This story makes Obama look like a total ass.



*NOTE TO MODERATOR: Mr. Firth's comment cast aspersions on me, ridiculed me, and hurt my feelings. Please report him to the International Criminal Court at The Hague, as hate speech is a violation of various national and international laws. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:39 PM

Lets just leave it at this: Songwronger hates Obama... Period... End of story...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:40 PM

Bush is a sadist and a dullard. He let Cheney and Rumsfeld run the white house. But Bush signed off on their atrocities, so he should face the death penalty for what was done in his name.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:44 PM

Thank you, Songwronger. I appreciate the response.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:56 PM

Oh yeah - one of the debunker sites took a look at the latest "his records are sealed" BS earlier today, and determined that it was, in fact, BS. Can't be bothered to look it up.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jul 12 - 10:57 PM

For someone who is into libeling others, Songwronger, you're pretty sensitive. You started this thread with your allegations against Obama. And I responded with the obvious observation.

I would suggest that if you can't stand the heat, don't sit on the barbeque.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:03 AM

Let me echo Don Firth: Songwronger's crappola, along with being pure fantasy, is the rankest form of racism.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 01:32 AM

And this is funny because the Obama team bares its racist ass at every opportunity. No game plan but race.

The report about Obama's ancestry was made by the genealogical researcher who happened to be curious enough to do a little research on his own, and with NO EVIDENCE that anyone in Obama's family or in "the party" instigated or encouraged the search.

It has been reviewed by Ancestry dot com, which is indisputably the largest and most credible resource for ancestry research, who have released their opinion with NO EVIDENCE that Obama, or his family, or anyone associated with "the party" was involved.

Although this is almost a "non-news" item, I do consult a fair number of news sources on a daily basis, and I've seen NO comments from anyone associated with the Obama campaign, with the exception of "polite replies" to a few muckraking reporters.

Of course we can't blame Wrongsonger, since he got that new "hands off radio." When he says "classical" it tunes to the clearest classical station. When he says "rockabilly," that's what it tunes to. When he leans out the window, shakes his fist and yells "FUCKIN' ASSHOLE" at some idiot who cut him off in traffic, it goes to Rush Limbaugh. Obviously he's just yelling at too many assholes and doesn't recognize why that's all he hears - or knows.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: akenaton
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 03:35 AM

I think the point being made, is that "politics" is an extremely dirty joke, regardless of who your particular favourite may be.

A little objectivity would be a help in understanding posters and what they contribute?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 06:54 AM

""It'll be interesting to watch this CIA creature morph from his "Harvard law professor" personality to the new "forty acre and a mule" personality now.""

Careful SW, your true petty racist personality is starting to show through.


""*NOTE TO MODERATOR: Mr. Firth's comment cast aspersions on me, ridiculed me, and hurt my feelings. Please report him to the International Criminal Court at The Hague, as hate speech is a violation of various national and international laws. Thank you.""

*****NEWSFLASH***** Your country doesn't recognise the International Criminal Court, you clown. They refused to sign up to it long before Obama was elected.

It's just as well, because if it did they'd be much more likely to investigate your racism than Don Firth's exposure of it.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 06:58 AM

Objective enough, Ake?

DT

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 10:11 AM

Songwronger-

"Obama's a creation of the CIA."

Seriously, I'm beginning to think your conspiracy hype is going beyond all bounds. I'm not going to respond to any more of your wild threads from now on. Please seek some mental counseling if you have not already done so. You may be in danger of harming yourself or of harming others.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Elmore
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 11:26 AM

Dear Mr. Songwronger. How can we miss you when you won't go away? I suppose this thread cannot be deleted in the interest of free speech, but it borders on the obscene.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:05 PM

I'd agree with Elmore, not so much about the thread itself - it's an interesting enough bit of geneological trivia in its way - but the contributions by the person who started it do leave a very nasty taste in the mouth. I assume that's intentional, so that shouldn't count as a personal attack.

Interestingly enough there appear to be at least three songs with the title and chorus "How can I miss you when you won't go away?" Not all dedicated to the thread originator, perhaps surprisingly.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 12:33 PM

I fail to see a problem. Most of us with ancestors in US for a couple of hundred years are going to be found to have African DNA I think. If NBC, New York Times, CBC, NPR have reported this, and Ancestry.com reported it, and expert genealogists using both property records and marriage records and DNA have come up with this been a likely conclusion..what is the problem? America is a racial mix. Anything of course can be used to stay stupid and racist things, but the bare facts seem pretty uncontroversial to me...mg

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Amos
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 01:36 PM

Songwronger's plainly off in the head.

He makes the grandiose snarky assertions and expects people not to notice that they are free-floating ideation of the most paranoid sort, unmoored to any factual basis. And I'm not referring the references to the H.Post or Times. THis man is at least three doughnuts short of a dozen.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Elmore
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 02:13 PM

As mcGrath pointed out above, it's not the subject that is objectionable, it's Songwronger. Oh well, if I had any hair, I'd go wash it now.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 01 Aug 12 - 03:46 PM

Far worse rumors than this been spread about me.

- Chongo

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 03:17 AM

I dont think SW is being "racist", is there anything to be gained from that stance?
Seems to me he is attempting to throw some light on the dirty ytricks used by the political classes to keep us all divided.

Not so long ago in the UK, is was impossible to hold any sort of discussion on mass immigration, without the politicians and their partisan followers(mainly on the left),howling "Racism".
It now transpires that under the last labour govt (Blair/Brown), immigration had been allowed to get completely out of hand for economic reasons (cheap labour).
This policy has backfired big time, as the social consequences become apparent....plus the fact that thousands of illegals have come in under whatever radar was there.

All this because gullible people trusted politicians, and stuck to their "equality" agenda before all else.

Of course the political parties have completely reversed their positions.....leaving their erstwhile supporters looking very stupid

But not to worry "racist" is such a useful word that I'm sure it won't be long before it is pressed back into the service of "liberalism"

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 12:32 PM

That isn't the problem, Ake. Ancestry.com did the research. Obama gets named as the bad guy. There are enough legitimate reasons to speak against Obama if that is one's wont, but why for research someone else did about his ancestry? The implication was that Obama would somehow capitalize on it, and that is what left a sour taste in some folk's mouths.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: bobad
Date: 02 Aug 12 - 01:34 PM

More that the implication that Obama is somehow capitalizing on it, the OP is implying that the whole business was concocted by "Obama's people" in order to divert from some web based fiction that his father is someone other than who he claims him to be.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 08:04 PM

Such hate speech. Moderators, please determine which of the hate speakers above live in countries that have signed on to the International Criminal Court and make sure they are reported. It's shocking that they could express such hatred on this forum. They are wanton criminals and should never see the light of day again.

At any rate, the important thing is that Obama will be labeled as the person who likely initiated this research, in a crass attempt to get the "homeboy" vote. Last election he had African-African blood in his roots, and now it's African-American. I suspect the Utah-based Ancestry.com is responsible for this story, and that's fine. Anything to get rid of Obama. The drone killer. The taxer of the poor. Romney might lead us to Armageddon but Obama damn sure will.

As far as racism goes, the "liberals" in America are the worst racists of all. They want to "provide" for blacks. Plantation mentality. Keep them dependent.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: artbrooks
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 08:11 PM

I rather doubt that Ancestry.com, which is closely affiliated with the Mormon church, would do anything to help Mr. Obama's prospects.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 08:18 PM

Exactly. This story doesn't help Obama's prospects. It makes him look like a sleazy politician pandering for votes in the 'hood. Probably a "dirty tricks" gambit on the part of his opponents. And if so, it's a good one. No doubt it lost him a few votes. People don't follow up on the rest of the story. All they'll remember is that Obama tried to pose like he was descended from slaves. Just another lowlife politician grubbing for votes.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Aug 12 - 09:36 PM

I don't hate you, Songwronger. I pity you.

For being so hate-filled yourself.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Arkie
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 09:18 AM

I fail to see the humor in the possibility of Obama's slave heritage. And nothing I have read here so far has helped in that regard. I guess the fact that SW and Glen Beck find it funny should be convincing enough. What is funny, is any suggestion that Obama is trying to capitalize on this. It is neither to the fault or credit of someone when a third party digs up information or misinformation on a person's heritage and tries to capitalize on the research. So far, in my small crevice in the universe, I have heard more from SW than Obama on this matter. At least it has given SW and Glen Beck something to pick at.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: PHJim
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 10:14 AM

McGrath of Harlow posted,"Interestingly enough there appear to be at least three songs with the title and chorus "How can I miss you when you won't go away?" Not all dedicated to the thread originator, perhaps surprisingly."

I am familiar with the song How Can I Miss You If You Won't Go Away written by Dan Hicks and performed by Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks, but haven't heard the other two songs by that title. Where can I find them?




Sorry about the thread drift, but that was the only point in this thread that interested me and it didn't seem worth starting a new thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 01:46 PM

Here's one, PHJim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZhT5ZNyHlM

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 02:30 PM

Songwronger wants me, and anyone else who disagrees with him, hauled up before the International Criminal Court in The Hague and tried for the crime of "hate speech."

He wants Mudcat's moderators to do this, but I encourage him to file his own complaint. My defense would be to present a print-out of his posts with his various allegations against President Obama and let the court determine who it is who is spewing hatred.

Calling a racist a "racist" is not hate speech. It is merely pointing out the obvious.

Have at it, Songwronger!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 05:33 PM

"... but haven't heard the other two songs by that title. Where can I find them? "

Just type the title in Google and browse around in what comes up in response.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 05:35 PM

I imagine most Americans with any ancestors there going back to the 17th century would be likely to have a slave or two in there somewhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 05:41 PM

About 200,000 years ago, EVERYBODY'S mama came from Africa.


OMG! That means I'm distantly related to Songwronger! Yuck!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 05:45 PM

It also means you are related to George W Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 06:36 PM

It even means YOU are related to Madonna!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 07:37 PM

Yeah? Well then, YOU are related to Charles Manson! Ook! Ook!

- Chongo

p.s. Regardin' Madonna...does this mean I can't (or at least shouldn't) have sex with her?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 07:42 PM

"It even means YOU are related to Madonna!"

Be still my beating heart.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Aug 12 - 09:43 PM

That someone's ancestry should include a few slaves is by no means unusual. Now, if it should include a sacrificial virgin or two, I'd be really impressed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 03:26 AM

Incidentally, has it been definitively established just which Madonna you are discussing?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,nobody in particular
Date: 11 Aug 12 - 02:20 PM

Does it matter which Madonna?

'It's the economy, stupid!' -Bill Clinton
This is all a distraction for the forgetful and unenlightened to argue about. Let's be petty and small!
and easily fooled, again!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 11:29 AM

Songwronger, ever true to form, purposely misquotes the story he leads with.

He says, "They make up a story where Obama's not just a descendant of slaves, he's a descendant of America's FIRST African slave.

First, of course, he says "they make up a story", which is his own interpretation in aid of his propagandistic premise.

But besides that, the story calls Mr. Punch "the first documented black slave" etc. Note, "documented".

Now, I haven't read anything about a white man named Frank Davis being the "real" and illicit father of Mr. Obama, but from whom, and on what authority, does it come? It sounds to me suspiciously like
another ill-natured smear like the discredited birther claim. Those people just WON'T give up or pipe down!

Dave Oesterreich

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 01:46 PM

'". . . the commander-in-chief's biological roots have long been a hot-button issue."'

Never has been with me. I know the fact he's Black scared lots of people--mostly Republican people. Don't know why that would be. I suppose it's a mindset that they got hung up on. Too bad.

Skin tone will not win or lose the coming election. It will be decided by voters who are really tired of Republican bullshit on each and every issue. The Republican Party has no more credibility in or out of the USA, and since it's hard to separate the lies from the spin from the bullshit they will not get sufficient votes to take the White House. That said, I wouldn't put it past them to usurp the whole election process. In about six months Americans will know whether they still have the remains of a democracy, or as pedants are fond of saying, a republic.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 03:55 PM

'". . . the commander-in-chief's biological roots have long been a hot-button issue."'

Hardly. The only ones who give a crap are the bigots, the racists and tthe brain dead. Kinda like the "birthers", Holocaust deniers and fundagelical "Christians"[sic].

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: artbrooks
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 04:33 PM

Of course, the man's chocolate brown, and has as much right to be called "White" as he does "Black". Our obsession with racial origins and the lingering remnants of the "one-drop rule" remain America's shame.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 05:00 PM

True, Art.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 06:48 PM

Obama is the biggest racist I've ever seen in the white house. In fact, that's all his presidency is about. His presidency is about how he's a black man. That's it. He's still a banker's boy and a corporate whore, but the only thing that sets him apart from George W. Bush is skin color.

Obama constantly harps on race. He is the king of racists, and his Attorney General Holder is the prince of racists. Both of them say that if you criticize them, it's because they're black.

At any rate, this story is very funny because of obama's willingness to play the race card on every hand. He yammers about race constantly, so why WOULDN'T he pull this stunt out of his ass? He claimed African-African descent on his father's side when running for the presidency, but now he wants some homeboy support, so he claims African-American slave roots. On his lily-white MOTHER'S side of the family. I suspect the opposition did the research and released the story, but o the irony. The poetic justice. Obama the racist stuck in a dead end with no way to back up. He will be remembered for claiming slave heritage from his mother. So funny.

Obama's latest racist behavior:

His July 26 executive order established a government panel to promote "a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools."

"African Americans lack equal access to highly effective teachers and principals, safe schools, and challenging college-preparatory classes, and they disproportionately experience school discipline," said the order, titled "White House Initiative On Educational Excellence."

Because of those causes, the report suggests, "over a third of African American students do not graduate from high school on time with a regular high school diploma, and only four percent of African American high school graduates interested in college are college-ready across a range of subjects."

"What this means is that whites and Asians will get suspended for things that blacks don't get suspended for," because school officials will try to level punishments despite groups' different infraction rates, predicted Hans Bader, a counsel at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Bader is a former official in the Education Department's Office for Civil Rights, and has sued and represented school districts and colleges in civil-rights cases.

"It is too bad that the president has chosen to set up a new bureaucracy with a focus on one particular racial group, to the exclusion of all others," said Roger Clegg, the president of the Center for Equal Opportunity.

http://nicholasstixuncensored.blogspot.com/2012/07/obama-signs-executive-order-granting.html

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 09:29 PM

Now if THAT isn't HATE SPEECH, I've never read or heard it!

Songwronger, haul your sorry ass over to The Hague and turn yourself in! You've just condemned yourself with your own keyboard!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 09:46 PM

And that goes for the garbage Right-Wing blog you got this swill from, too!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 09:56 PM

Songwronger, Nicholas Stix, who wrote the blog you're quoting from, is a well-known, frothing at the mouth, white racist.

And what I'm saying is not hate speech! Stix's racistm is a well-known FACT!

If that's the kind of source you use to get your information, that explains a lot!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Aug 12 - 11:20 PM

My response swallowed up. Not surprised. The truth hurts.

Take your pick of presentations on this story, Firth:

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=Ao16ZFB5Io76Yy7zZjf5bOKbvZx4?p=obama+executive+order+black+students&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-

That's a link to a yahoo search of the phrase "executive order obama black students."

It's pretty simple. Obama's order says schools need to reduce the amount of discipline handed out to blacks, or start disciplining other racial groups more. Make the numbers balance.

The magnitude of such racism is stunning. And it's not just whites that might be unjustly punished, what about Asians?

Obamanoids awake. Hope and change is an illusion.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:14 AM

What Obama is doing here is refining the process of "evening the playing field" for ALL students.

Songwronger, your wail sounds like an echo of the racially motivated wails of a lot of Bubbas back when Brown vs. Board of Education was passed during the civil rights movement.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:30 AM

So you level the field by filling in the low spots with the bodies of the good players? Why do you hate kids so much?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:48 AM

The Executive Order does not say one single thing about requiring schools to "reduce the amount of discipline handed out to blacks, or start disciplining other racial groups more". Reading the primary source is always a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 12:53 AM

Game, set, and match, Songwronger.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 01:03 AM

You both hate children. You read what you want into the executive order.

It says blacks "disproportionately experience school discipline and referrals to special education" and then says the situation can be remedied by "decreasing the disproportionate number of referrals of African American children from general education to special education by addressing the root causes of the referrals and eradicating discriminatory referrals."

So blacks are discriminated against when they're punished. Punished at a 'disproportionate' rate. The E.O. says that rate needs to be brought into 'proportion.'

Like I said, Obama's the most racist president I've ever seen. He's ordering public schools to not displine blacks, or to discipline non-blacks at a proportionate rate.

Where the hell did you guys learn to debate?

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 02:15 AM

From people who felt it incumbent upon them to check the integrity and reliability of their sources, and also be aware of what biases those sources might be influenced by.

And a dedication to finding the Truth.

By the way, Songwronger, I have worked as a news director at a network affiliated radio station, so I HAD to learn to be a rigorous fact checker.

And in the process of doing that job, I manage to develop a very good bullshit detector!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 01:15 PM

Songwronger;

"disproportionately experience school discipline and referrals to special education"

is NOT the same as

"disproportionately {deserve} school discipline and referrals to special education"

Can you explain the difference? Can you explain why this difference might be important?

Of course you can.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 01:57 PM

Don't bet on it, Tia-

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Wesley S
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 04:21 PM

"I have worked as a news director at a network affiliated radio station"

AHA - PROOF that Don is part of the MAINSTREAM media. Drive-by reporting as Rush calls it.

Unless it was a station owned by Fox. Then it's a BASTION of TRUTH........

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 04:52 PM

ABC as a matter of fact. But I had nothing to do with the national news. My responsibility was the local news in Eastern Washington State's Tri-Cities area (Pasco, Kennewick, and Richland). But I did have to deal with a few local politicians, not to mention news from the Hanford Nuclear Reservation just up the pike from Richland.

Fascinating job. I learned a lot! But the pay was lousy, as were the hours, so I eventually quit and took a job as a straight board announcer (disc jockey) in a prestigious classical music station in Seattle. Good hours, I got to listen to a lot of music I like as I sat there with my feet propped up and a cup of coffee in my hand.

And the pay was great!!

However, I never forgot what I learned at the Tri-Cities station. I can spot "spin" from several miles off!

Don Firth

P. S. Not saying that Rush Limbaugh is a gas-bag, but haven't I occasionally seen him drifting around in the sky with "Goodyear" tattooed on his sides? BELCH!!

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 06:31 PM

Sorry! THIS is what I was going for:    BELCH!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: gnu
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 08:41 PM

The blimp thing is pretty pissy poor, Don. I would say it's beneath you but I'd rather comment on the fact that it doesn't go far enough.

The idiot doesn't deserve such MILD crap. It's far below his hatred. I dunno how the ignorant piece of shit can sleep at night.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Songwronger
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 10:33 PM

I don't understand your point, Tia. Deserve vs experience. They wouldn't be experiencing the discipline unless they deserved it. Not nowadays, when everyone's on tenterhooks regarding race.

This is just a flat-out piece of racism. And it will not do one student anywhere any good. All will suffer from either reduced discipline when needed, or increased discipline when not needed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: artbrooks
Date: 13 Aug 12 - 11:42 PM

The Executive Order (link above) says absolutely nothing that could be rationally interpreted about "ordering public schools to not displine blacks, or to discipline non-blacks at a proportionate rate".

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 01:39 AM

That's the best I could come up with on the spur of the moment, gnu. But to approach the magnitude of Limbaugh, I should have gone with a gas giant, like Jupiter.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,999
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 08:08 AM

Ain't that where The Bridge was being built in Blish's 'Cities in Flight? (I'd bet bucks to donuts you've read all four novels in it.)

On second thought, forget the bet. Donuts cost a buck each these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Obama's slave ancestry just discovered
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 14 Aug 12 - 09:27 AM

"They wouldn't be experiencing the discipline unless they deserved it"

You were aboslutely spoon-fed the point and still missed it (on purpose I suspect).