BS: General David Petraeus Resigns

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:51 AM

I can't resist posting this update with regard to the original FBI agent contacted by Jill Kelley about harassing e-mails:

Meanwhile, the FBI investigation itself has come under scrutiny.

According to the Wall Street Journal, supervisors pulled the whistleblower FBI agent off the case after he became "obsessed" with the matter and was caught sending Kelley shirtless photos of himself.

The Jon Daily Show and Colbert Report will have a field day with this "news."

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:51 AM

IS there a single social scientist who has proven that an orgasm compels anyone to give up the nuclear security codes of the USA or any other country?

Usually the conversation moves to 'connect the moles' or birth marks that look like states.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 10:56 AM

Thats my crack sex scandal staff hard at work Charley.
Tommorrow we Investigate the investigator who is investigating the investigator who investigated Ms. Broadwell.



Hey Jon Stweart, this thread has your show tonight already written word for word.    Tonight's show... OVer the sexual Cliff

Subject: RE: BS: Gen. Petraeus Very Busy Man...
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 11:11 AM

Yes old dude it is time for Americans not to assume that even the basest religious puritan base in this country gives a crap about shit like an affair to remember, let alone the progressives attitudes on sex. I thought Clinton proved that already.

Even their own right wing preachers like Swaggert are allowed to not resign, unless they are gay.

Liberty procedes by inches.
Its Time to rethink the concept of sex scandal.



Re elect Weiner, he didn't even have sex.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 11:36 AM

You have heard of 6 degrees of seperation.
Through AIDS campaigns you heard how if you had sex with one person , you had sex with every person that person had sex with.
Some sports figures claim 30,000 sex partners or more.
It is also known that more people are alive today (7.2 billion) than have ever existed at one time in history.

By mathmatically connecting these concepts with the world wide census and rendered by the Magnatar Super Computer in Wall St it has been determined...
that General Scott Allen is the first person in history to have had sex with every single person of legal F-able age on the planet Earth today.          (along with 4.378532299 billion other people)

What an F'n slut!

General where is your resignation?

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 11:42 AM

Don
could not agree more with you. If he said that's what he needed to stay on another 10 years. I would have taken up a collection for him. What differences he and his wife have, don't care what does that have to do with his job. Nothing. The guy is a military genius. I know lots of people who served directly with him. We lost a great warrior. In this troubled times, we need him.

If they want pure, you ain't going to find it in the military. By its very concept it is a profession of death. Sadly this world, we need those guys, I wish we didn't need any guns or any army but that does not exist and never will

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 11:50 AM

I would venture to say he was even better then Ike as a military leader. In WWII the bad guys all had uniforms and organized armies. Petaeus had to fight guys that were all civilian dressed. Well all the pictures of the "ladies" everywhere on the news, they are smiling so maybe he has other stuff he is good at also ...

We lost a great military mind over nonsense

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:06 PM

To me, the whole affair was a private matter, between Petraeus, his wife, and his biographer. Nobody's business but their own.

I agree, the whole blowup is nonsense.

FBI investigating CIA and military correspondence? Is this a case of jealousy among the government departments?

This silliness on the part of Americans is deplorable.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:16 PM

The affair should be a private matter, between Petraeus, his wife and his biographer.
Nobody's business but their own.

The silliness of American's in matters of peoples sex lives is deplorable.

I agree, all the blowup of the matter is nonsense.

Now it looks like another top military man may be trashed.

The FBI examining and publicizing personal matters in other departments of the government- a case of intergovernmental jealousy?

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:20 PM

Sorry for the double post.
The first one wasn't entering on submit, so I hit escape and closed Mudcat. I re-opened and posted my opinion again.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:20 PM

Boy are you right Q
a guy like him that could have said "I will be a business man" would probably be multimillionaires. Instead they work for peanuts, give their lives literally and figuratively to defend the Constitution of the US and its people. To think that he would talk about sensitive matters of military because of getting laid is insane. Maybe some did in the distant past and time but it ain't happening now. So let them dig, they will find that he like her in lace and other such matters but they ain't going to find military info.

He could have stuck his willy in a light socket if that is what gets him off but we need his skill more today then ever. Now we lose. Our thinking is nuts, "gays bashing in the service" another insane thing. To think that a gay guy would not fight and lay down his life for his country because he is gay .. nuts .. slowly we are moving out of that thinking .. now this thinking still continues. When bullets are flying nobody gives a shit who you slept with or what faith or what sex preference ... To serve this nation is a gift to every person enjoying their freedom cause it ain't free

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:24 PM

I have not even mentioned the word wife until now.
It is their private contract that is not my business.
Still on some level even she does not own contractually own a body part of a soverign human being (husband or not) unless it is her own body.

To discuss this further is to be mired in a swamp of how far capitalism and slavery go.
For example it is illegal to own organs today but your own DNA is private property for those who patent it to buy and sell it on the open market. We are in an infancy of coherent privacy and self ownership laws. Sometimes I think our legacy of slavery has influenced the ethics of self ownership. It is certainly at the heart of women's health.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:29 PM

Ethics may defend or attack on many different fronts.
But in real life it can simply break your heart and hurt terribly even if you are the world's formost ethicist.
Freedom has a price.
Ethical Rationalism has its price too.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:30 PM

Is it time to go back to 'snail-mail' since private emails are no longer private?

I refuse to join facebook and the like since nothing there is private?
Easy to hack, it is a joke among computer whizes.

Now it looks like email must be avoided when personal and private matters are involved.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:43 PM

Clinton survived his philandering, but not by much. And is now, year later, accepted as rehabilitated.

Petraeus as Director of the CIA was in a worse position than a President: a potential embarrassment to his Commander in Chief and the one man most responsible for our nation's international security.

I would think that people would appreciate that on this forum.

He had only himself to blame, ultimately, and he stood up and accepted personal responsibility. I give Petraeus credit for that.

The rest of the cast merits less credit.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:43 PM

Point well taken. And the contract between he and his wife is just that for sure. But one who give his entire life to serve his country, taken away because he slept with another consenting adult or adults ... insane. Take it away if you suck at your job or If he assaulted or harassed but none of that occurred. He did something against his wife and family, they can or cannot handle it but it is their actions to take not ours, or the press or the military

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:47 PM

Ditto what Dan said.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:52 PM

Another of these "only in America" things.

The bizarre thing is that from reports such as this story, there appears to be no particular problem in getting away with genuinely abusive stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: olddude
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 12:53 PM

unlike guys like Rap, I never had the honor of wearing the uniform. My skills were used to keep those guys safe in other ways. Now as much as I respected General Thomas . He wasn't Petaeus, that guy is in another class of military leader we lost in this whole stinking mess

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 01:39 PM

Make love not war it seems is not acceptable for a general today.
Maybe tomorrow.

Obama still could have refused his resignation. Either way it would be politicized by extremists.

Some are shocked that a CIA director used g mail for an affair.
Well what if he had used CIA quantum encrypted spymail? If caught he would have really been toasted.

Some have blamed the long deployment times apart for military marriage difficulties. They say authority and power may have made him feel immune to rules. I say time and location is no hindrance even for teenagers.

I married late so for me never cheating during our 25 year marriage may have been easier than for folks who married young. I'm almost bragging but I know everyone's situation and rationale is different.
Is Edwards different than Petraus? Of course. Am I different than Hugh Hefner? Wellllll perhaps rationally no, probably regrettably yes... but only in my heart. President Carter said he may have cheated only in his heart. Some said that is the worst kind. People who said that were probably the most unfaithful of the faith based hypocritical community thumping it up naked like Thumper the bible bunny on Saturday night and being forgiven Sunday morning in their Sunday best.

The choice isn't a Quantity or Quality thing, its what makes you happy. Guys say it happened so quick I didn't have time to think. Truth is, you have already chosen your path and had plenty of time to know what doesn't help you in the long run vs the short run, the ins and outs, the fun vs. repercussions. If not, just admit you are a moron and abdicate all responsibility for your life and others.



Civil rights can be as simple as live and let live, or in this case, live and let work

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 01:47 PM

yes I am aware that writing beyond four lines here is likely to not never being read by anyone 99% of time. I have hidden many truths from prying eyes that way')

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 02:34 PM

"yes I am aware that writing beyond four lines here is likely to not never being read by anyone 99% of time"

Ain't that the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 02:38 PM

doubly so.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 03:12 PM

MCGrath, the "Puritan ethic" is still strong in North America, unfortunately. Their progeny went on to make fortunes in business, and set a pattern that lives on in spite of immigrant infusions from all over, including many from UK, from other backgrounds.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 03:48 PM

If the media had had the guts to focus on the FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover, he would have been forced to resign. He was a prime example of someone in the public trust who abused his power for political gain and personal amusement. What a nut case!

Petraeus is a sadder case. I continue to think of him as the good and capable soldier whose human frailties would have ended up the subject of a court martial if he had still been in the armed services but because he was a civilian in charge of the CIA could not be tolerated by his Commander in Chief (alert: run-on sentence!).

Olddude-

So what do you think the Commander in Chief should have done with the offer of resignation, knowing what he knew at the time, or knowing what you know now?

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Nov 12 - 04:00 PM

As I said Obama was damned if he accepted the resignation and damned if he didn't, by extremeists that is.

Funny, Obama usually governs to the exact middle.
It seems like the middle has old dude's sentiments in their hearts nowadays.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:21 AM

here is the deal, we don't know , maybe Obama really tried to talk him out of it. He resigned and if he said no I have to step down that is that. I blame no one other than our constant need in the country to peer into other people's bedroom. What he did was a family issue for the family to resolve. But in our voyeur culture this is what we get ... we loose

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: greg stephens
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:27 AM

Emma Hamilton

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:38 AM

Yeah, it is a shame that we have become such an intolerant nation because it is costing us dearly... I mean, ya' spend a million or so $$$ on a guy training him up to be the very best of the best and then roll him under the bus for having sex with someone who ain't his wife???

Big f'n (pun intended) deal...

Wonder what would happen if we applied these standards to everyone...

"Sorry Dr. Smith, we realize you are the best brain surgeon in the world but yer fired because you had sex with yer next door neighbor."

"Sorry Dr. Jones, we realize that you are the foremost authority on nuclear centra-fuses but yef fired for having sex with yer assistant. Maybe you can find work in Iran."

"Sorry Reverend Thomas but you can't preach anymore or minister the sick because you've been seeing the widow lady on the side."

"Sorry, sorry, sorry..."

Here's what's sorry... Sex ain't a f'n crime as long as minors ain't involved with adults... Get over it...

B~

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 10:48 AM

Charley Noble, I disagree with your assessment. Patraeus was responsible for the military murder of Shi'ites and Sunnis in that country by:
1. Escalating the war through the so-called "surge". Bush took orders from him because like so many in this country, military leaders are glorified even when they do immoral
things.
2. He also supported the drone strikes that have taken place.
3. Sex is not the real reason he should have resigned. Being a bloodthirsty general
is reason enough.

His affairs are trivial compared to the monstrous military actions that he supported in Iraq and Bush patted him on the back for it.

His deception was indicative on a political level reflected in his personal life.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Stringsinger
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 11:05 AM

"Funny, Obama usually governs to the exact middle."

No he governs pretty much like George W. Bush. He refuses to acknowledge torture taking place by the military, the persecution of Brad Manning, the vendetta against Asange,
the droning of Pakistan, Yemen and possibly Afghanistan, the lack of concern for
veterans who are returning from tours of duty with blood lust, PTSD or injuries.
Here, he talks a good game. The proof is how vets are being treated.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 11:58 AM

monstrous things do happen in war strings, no doubt my friend you are correct that shameful things went on. They do on all sides in a war and there is no excuse for it. But the commanding general isn't on the field, he leaves the field command to his officers in charge. What I saw was his swift reaction when he found our horrible stuff like the prison thing.

Water boarding and such was not his fault I think. The CIO conducted those interrogations with outside contractors to keep their hands clean. All was a disgrace but I don't blame Petraeous for it. He is not political, he is a military leader nothing more. For me, it was all Cheney

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 12:06 PM

One thing we never learned, ever since man crawled out of the ocean we been killing each other .. There is always more hate to go around and a heck of a lot less love. I could only wish for a world when no military leaders were ever needed. That would be my I have a dream speech, I will never see that day, nor will our grand kids and theirs and theirs and so on

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 12:41 PM

This is a much better debate than trying to score whatever Paula Broadwell and Jill Kelley were trying to rack up.

Evidently Petraeus will be testifying with regard to what he knew about the Libyan Consulate attack at the upcoming hearing in DC. But if he wants access to his "archives" he'll have to contact the FBI who just removed them from Broadwell's tender care.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 01:04 PM

Just a friendly reminder.............



Subject: RE: porn+FL Rev koran burner=ambassador killed
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 12 - 09:17 AM

The film was a cover-up of the REAL reasons for the uprisings.
This will come out even more than it has already....you'll see!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Ron Davies
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 07:49 PM

And if it does not, you'll allege a coverup.

The best things in life don't change--like Mudcatters' addiction to conspiracy theories.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Nov 12 - 08:11 PM

What other theories are there, Ron??? I mean, the truth just ain't as sexy as conspiracy theories...

I'm gonna enjoy the next couple of months with John "Washrag Crybaby" McCain trying to stir up trouble... Talk about sorry losers???

B~

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 01:54 AM

Ron Davies: "And if it does not, you'll allege a coverup."

Have you ever wondered WHO gave U.N. Ambassador Rice the 'intel', when she lied to the U.N. and 5 media outlets?
Next question, of course, would be 'Why'?

No conspiracy theory at all. All anybody wants is the truth....from THIS Administration??...that's a fucking joke!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 08:49 AM

GfS-

"Have you ever wondered WHO gave U.N. Ambassador Rice the 'intel', when she lied to the U.N. and 5 media outlets?"

That should be an easy question to answer but will you be satisfied with the answer?

Perhaps, General Petraeus will answer that tomorrow at the hearing, or Paula Broadwell if he can't remember since she keeps his archives (except that the FBI hauled them away yesterday).

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: greg stephens
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 08:51 AM

As someone from the eastern shores of the Atlantic, I have to say it is great how entertaining other people's sex scandals are.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,999
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 09:45 AM

Nothing tops the ineptitude of the carpenter Christine Keeler. One screw and the whole cabinet fell apart.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 15 Nov 12 - 05:17 PM

999-

Love it!

Or leave it!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 01:18 PM

Well, well well...reports in that Gen. Petraeus testified, and in his report he says it was a terrorist attack, and named the group....however, the report's points were changed....and given then to U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice.
So I reiterate my former question: ""Have you ever wondered WHO gave U.N. Ambassador Rice the 'intel', when she lied to the U.N. and 5 media outlets?"

So, Charley Nobel..you asked me this; "That should be an easy question to answer but will you be satisfied with the answer?"

Now the question is being asked to you, in return!!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 03:42 PM

Only prove one thing, its better to be the bang-ee I guess then the bang-er

Seems like the banger always gets the trouble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 03:48 PM

well, all of these thing play out like this. He leaves broken and disgraced over a personal issue, the ladies move on to talk shows and a zillion dollars from playboy to show their bits ...

always the same ... but I will venture to guess the ladies also knew exactly what they were doing when they took their unders off

such is the state of this talk show news that we have anymore here

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 04:45 PM

GfS-

I think I'll wait for more feedback from the hearing before deciding but thanks for the heads up.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 04:50 PM

How does anyone know what was said in a *closed hearing*!

Maybe you can parrot what Fox News says was said.

But you don't *know* shit.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Charley Noble
Date: 16 Nov 12 - 04:53 PM

GfS-

Just as I thought. You like to manipulate the feedback:

Testifying out of sight, ex-CIA Director David Petraeus told Congress Friday that classified intelligence showed the deadly raid on the U.S. Consulate in Libya was a terrorist attack but the administration withheld the suspected role of al-Qaida affiliates to avoid tipping them off.
The recently resigned spy chief explained that references to terrorist groups suspected of carrying out the violence were removed from the public explanation of what caused the attack so as not to alert them that U.S. intelligence was on their trail, according to lawmakers who attended Petraeus' private briefings.

He also said it initially was unclear whether the militants had infiltrated a demonstration to cover their attack.

Really cute!

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 10:36 AM

General Betrayus knew there was a CIA plant nearby the Consulate.
Betrayus girl friend, Paula Broadwell was working with the Israeli Irgun maybe as an
Israeli spy.
McCain and Lieberman are running guns in Syria.

Subject: RE: BS: General David Petraeus Resigns
From: Stringsinger
Date: 17 Nov 12 - 10:42 AM

Representative Cantor went behind Obama's back to keep his promise to Netanyahu,
believing that Obama didn't go far enough in supporting Israel. Was this a reason
that Petraeus was trashed by the "honey pot"?

The plot sickens.