Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Apr 13 - 02:39 AM

Allan....At least people should make an attempt to understand why she acted as she did.

If they did that, they would see the problems are more deep rooted.

Marx wrote of "the contradictions".....they can no longer be ignored.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:52 PM

"If you can't say anything good about a dead woman just keep your stupid mouth sht and say nothing."

I don't think that is a reasonable position too take. Some people (ie the celebration parties etc) have acted in a most inappropriate manner and some comments on the net are not in good taste. However politically she was a divisive figure so you can't expect everyone to suddenly say she is wonderful just because she has died. The dead are not beyond criticism.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:42 PM

I would think that that on the whole the sense of jubilation when Blair goes will be pretty universal.

The difference is while the country is divided between people who adore Thatcher and those who detest her, pretty well everyone (apart from a dwindled set of failed careerists on the right of Labour) see Blair as pretty despicable. In a sense he's a genuine one nation man, uniting a divided country in a shared emotion of contempt.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:01 PM

You must be joking!
Have you seen or heard Mr Blair recently.

Blair was much worse than Thatcher, a Labour politician who continued and refined capitalist economic policy, a Labour leader who coaxed the British people into a foreign war which had absolutely nothing to do with our security, with subsequent horrific loss of life, who ignored the plight of our young people, encouraged unemployment, increased privatisation, increased de-regulation of the financial sector.

Mrs Thatcher pursued policies which increased the life expectancy of the Capitalist system, Blair ....a Labour politician, pursued the same policies in his own interests...and against the interests of those who he was supposed to represent.

But will there be dancing from the left on Mr Blair's demise....I don't think so.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 03:34 PM

some posters on here seem surprised that her death can be a source of good news to many. in recent decades she and her type have been ripping up so much that is positive in my country. i have opposed her and her policies all my adult life and though we on the left have lost nearly all the battles we have fought against free market ideologies, there is always hope. her death is a rare bit of positive news and who would begrudge anyone a bit of cheer in these difficult days?
mind you, i was partying when the tories lost that election in '97. that good feeling didn't last long. i never thought i could despise any UK politician more than her - though bliar is running her close. naaah, dead or alive she is still the most poisonous.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:52 PM

A friend sent me this last night
Jim Carroll
When I realised Margaret Thatcher was dead, I did a double fist pump and shouted, "******* brilliant!"
Everyone around me was disgusted, and looking back, I suppose it was out of order.
Especially as I was the first paramedic at the scene.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:51 PM

"If you can't say anything good about a dead woman just keep your stupid mouth sht and say nothing. "

On which principle people should shut up about Jimmy Savile... And no, that doesn't mean I'm   Identifying the two, but pointing out the problem with that principle.

If we weren't being deluged with adulation for Thatcher it would be sensible to ignore her death, but unfortunately we are being so deluged. There's an attempt to get people to see her as basically a Good Thing, someone to be proud off. It's happened before with the monsters of our history - Bluff King Hal, Good Queen Elizabeth, Oliver Cromwell.   And people want to say not in my name - she wasn't a Good Thing, she was perhaps the worst thing that has happened in political life in a very long time.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:51 PM

"If you can't say anything good about a dead woman just keep your stupid mouth sht and say nothing. "

On which principle people should shut up about Jimmy Savile... And no, that doesn't mean I'm   Identifying the two, but pointing out the problem with that principle.

If we weren't being deluged with adulation for Thatcher it would be sensible to ignore her death, but unfortunately we are being so deluged. There's an attempt to get people to see her as basically a Good Thing, someone to be proud off. It's happened before with the monsters of our history - Bluff King Hal, Good Queen Elizabeth, Oliver Cromwell.   And people want to say not in my name - she wasn't a Good Thing, she was perhaps the worst thing that has happened in political life in a very long time.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 02:47 PM

"The point of recalling parliament is to afford the MP's the chance to remember Lady Thatcher as they wish."

I think is may have backfired on the Tories as it gave a platform for Angus Robertson, Glenda Jackson and very few others to remind the people how nasty Thatcher's dictatorial attitude to government was. And how sycophantic Milliband was ( and Gerald Kaufman); no backbone. Respect is one thing but crawling on your belly is something else.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: meself
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:17 PM

"The point of recalling parliament is to afford the MP's the chance to remember Lady Thatcher as they wish."

Thanks. I would have thought that a simple statement or statements would have made more sense, but - not my affair!

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:16 PM

She dragged Uk into the real world, dumping the obsolete British coal mines and defeating the stranglehood labor unions had o the economy. She was the best peacetime British leader, and will go down in history as such.
We conservatives (but accepting the new globalism) hope that the Labour Party will remain a minor player in UK, regardless of where we are, UK, U.S., Canada, Australia.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: billybob
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:01 PM

The debate in the house has been reasonable, without malice and even the left wingers are talking with compassion and respect. Shame some here havent put the TV on and learnt how to show respect for the dead even if you didnt agree with the politics of the deseased.
The point of recalling parliament is to afford the MP's the chance to remember Lady Thatcher as they wish. Not even the Rt Hon MP for Hampstead, Glenda Jackson,has resorted to hate or malice, but she did go on a bit!

I am concerned about the peace of mind of some of the posters here,all this bile will result in bad health and state of mind.

Karma !!!

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:00 PM

I suppose that in bill sables rosetinted 1997 Thatcher was still alive so such threads didn't exist. The real me isn't a great deal any less vitriolic towards her than the more shoot from the hip Musket nonsense.

If people are minded to laud praise on her it is only right that a sense of balance allows the other side of her to be examined too.   If anything makes me queasy it isn't people pointing out the damage she was responsible for, it is the revisionists who praise her whilst trivialising her faults.

She supported apartheid South Africa whilst her husband enjoyed business interests there.

In support of the above she called Mandela a terrorist.

Her son's financial services stake in Cementation whilst she pushed through TML would not stand the scrutiny MPs have now. The corruption would be exposed.

She was Prime Minister of all, and forgot that when she called me the enemy within. Not just the Scargill rebel rousers with their own sticky fingers on union funds but the majority, the miners who were victims caught in the cross fire.

She was the mother of Gordon Gekko.

She was the monster made by the Frankenstein figure of Nicholas Ridley. The praise she gets was in reality the naivety that allowed her to push the dreams of the nasty buggers behind her.

Till they couldn't control their monster and dropped her.

Funny old world.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Stu
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 12:41 PM

"The UKers are a disgrace, vicious, petty, and slaves to their ideology."

What would have people do though ake? This whole discussion might prove distasteful to some whose sensibilities are easily offended but hard, robust debate is very much part of the character of the people of these islands (even around our dinner tables and in the pub). Thatcher was lauded as an iconoclast, but then went on to erect her own edifice of myth surrounding herself, and how well it serves her still but there's no justice in condemning the iconoclastic nature of much of what has been written here; it's certainly no less insulting or nasty as some of the tributes paid this afternoon by Thatcher's (almost exculsivley male) sycophants in parliament.

The reaction to Thatchers death has had one really positive result, it proves we are a nation that still cares deeply about politics. For all the hagiographies, hack jobs and heated exchanges what the death of Thatcher has not produced is apathy, and that is heartening. Heck, it will hopefully mean that the ongoing tory beatification of the ex-PM will be checked by some attempt to understand the wider effects of her actions, although I think this is a forlorn hope.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Ringer
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 12:08 PM

"But she had tunnel vision..."

If that isn't the most perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black!

You (and your ilk) seem to me to be blinded by hatred, McGrath.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 11:39 AM

I agree with Bill Sables....The UKers are a disgrace, vicious, petty, and slaves to their ideology.

Dont you just wish the left had someone with the stature and guts of Mrs Thatcher....I certainly do.
All the left has is ethereal dreams, without the guts or will to put them into practice.
Under this system, nobody wants socialism.....it is always the token gesture by any capitalist govt.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: meself
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 11:20 AM

Honest question: what is this recall of parliament all about? On the face of it, it seems - how shall I put this - amateurish? Is it needed to approve spending on the funeral, or what?

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: bill\sables
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 11:20 AM

What a set of nasty bastards this forum has turned in to. If you can't say anything good about a dead woman just keep your stupid mouth sht and say nothing. I have been a member of mudcat from 1997, way before most of you miserable bastards were here and in those days it was a nice place to be but I won't be back again after this disgusting show of how bitter and nasty the current membership has shown themselves to the world.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 09:55 AM

Ringer is quite right on one thing. Thatcher's legacy will indeed live on. It poisons our country today, and it will keep on poisoning it into the foreseeable future.

I think it's a mistake to think of her as evil. She was far less morally corrupt than is customary among top politicians. But she had tunnel vision, and that's a form of blindness. The image of Bodacea attached to her is appropriate enough. - riding forwards with scythe blades on her wheels, cutting down people she didn't even see were there.

In he own words, she was indeed for many of us "the enemy within". Or as JK Rowling might put it "She whose name cannot be spoken".

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,Musket sans cookie
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 09:34 AM

Dear Ringer.

I was a miner and entered an industry where over 40% of payroll cost was on health and safety responsibility. Still, during my short eight years, two men died at my pit. The World Health Organisation in 1981 reported that our production was possibly the most efficient in the world given our good and improving safety and welfare costs. The cost of resource deployed to tonnage was by far the best in the world. That's why companies providing deep mine equipment were UK based. They knew which side their bread was buttered on.

I left not long after the strike. That was my choice. So did many employed to look after the rest of us. That wasn't their choice.

The cost of Polish and Australian coal increased pro rata our inability to provide our own. Good job her people were clever enough to see that coming? Vindictiveness I can understand. Incompetency I can understand. The combination known as Thatcherism is a lesson for history that it should never be repeated.

The best way to begin that is to ensure revisionists in London don't get away with their crocodile tears. Burn the bitch.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 08:43 AM

Dick ~ As you say, always a pleasure to correspond with you even from opposing viewpoints.
Disagreements as to which wars may be justified, and which victories it may be appropriate to rejoice, are matters we can reasonably disagree on. But they were no part of my point. What I was objecting to was Squeezy's having made use, with illogical and idiotic self-justification predicated on the fact that one couldn't be glad of a victory because some people might have lost relatives in it, of the animadversion "callous, vindictive cow [with] audacity". From a 20-year-old it was a piece of unforgivable filthy manners & crass stupidity, with the perpetrator's youth just possibly to be pleaded as some sort of mitigation. For the same man at 50+ to recall it with boastful pride strikes me as more pitiably pathetic than anything else. This Squeezer individual, whoever he may be {one notes that he hides behind a nickname!}, is just clearly a foolish mannerless beyond-the-pale outsider who should be excluded from any sort of adult discourse.
YMMV, but that was where I was coming from. The Falklands & the rejoicing are merely tangential to the primary point as to Squeezy's outright idiocy & horribleness.

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 07:37 AM

mrs thatcher did not even understand capitalist economics, the economy cannot be run like a shop.
there is nothing wrong with being a good stock keeper and working to a budget, but that is too simplistic an approach to make the capitalist system work competently.
firstly the consumers have to have money to spend,to buy the goods that are produced, austerity measures, restrict consumers abilty to consume,and make economic recession last longer.
mtrs thatcher was a chemist,in my opinion she did not understand economics, she was also corrupt.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Stu
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 07:23 AM

£10 million to stick Thatcher in the ground? Over £3K travel expenses can be claimed by MPs coming back to the ludicrous recalling of parilament? Ye gods.


"I suspect that you direct all this hatred and spleen at Mrs Thatcher because her time in power has shown up your unthinking left-wing ideology for what it is: terminally ineffective as well as terminally dreary"

Then your suspicions are wrong, this appalling vilification of people who care about their fellow citizens over the 48 hours since her death has shown her true legacy: bitterness, division, a deep mistrust of authority and the corruption of our political system. The communities we live in have seen our values eroded, viciously attacked and virtually wiped out in the years since Thatcher took office; all governments have continued on the path to the self-loathing consumerist culture of today. Some of us might not weep for the death of Thatcher, but we weep for our fellow citizens and the fact they are relegated to bit-part players in a deregulated capitalist oligarchy.

Thatcher herself wasn't one for forgiveness or forgetting (as is evidenced by the clip of her talking about Howe's betrayal of her that's been played many times in the last 48 hours) and she was a bitter person in life. She died with only an old advisor to offer comfort; no family, no friends and still separate from the society she so despised and closeted in a luxury hotel paid for by a pair of execrable aging male sycophants. I don't join in with the dancers celebrating her death as I see her a rather sad old lady, isolated and bereft of the vigour of her heyday. I find it hard to take joy in her situation at one of life's defining points.

Thatcher never understood community; the concept was beyond the grasp of her limited intellect. She never understood that compassion and empathy are virtues that ordinary people value greatly. Like the Bullingdon tosspots currently in hysterics over her demise (alongside the likes of Blair), she simply could not comprehend that as well as personal freedom people feel safe with the idea of the state taking some of the burden of the daily grind off their shoulders (hence the continuing massive support for the NHS) and that having an infrastructure that was owned by the people and industries supported by a government that enabled people to gain skills and make things whilst being protected from exploitation is important. All this is tied in with community, with society and the common good, and the destruction of these Thatcher presided over means she is despised by many people for whom the idea of a cohesive, equal and fair society is something worth working for. Thatcher could never, ever, understand that.

Why is her funeral not been run by a private company? Why is the hard-pressed taxpayer forking out for one old woman's funeral? We're paying because the people holding the purse strings are a bunch of detached, nasty, sad hypocrites who don't have the integrity to stick to their own shifting, corrupt values. Add insult to injury and make the plebs pay. Well, we've been paying for over thirty years and we're still paying now.

So next Wednesday I will be having drink. Because we'll be saying goodbye to someone who has turned our society into a vacuous, shallow and uncaring place to live. It won't be Thatcher the person I'll be celebrating the demise of, I don't take pleasure in the loss of human life, but the fact the architect of an ideology that treats misery and suffering as an acceptable cost for turning a profit is no longer here and the tragedy she inflicted upon us as a people hasn't cowed those to whom the idea of compassion over profit is a fundamental value of our society.

Thatcher and her cronies failed, in that they didn't and won't drive the empathy out of all of us. We deserve better than these people.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:56 AM

You can go on deluding yourself Ringer, the coal strike was engineered by Mrs T to defeat the unions and no other reason, she then went on to close the steel industry too, using that cunt Ian McGregor as her tool to do both.

A man who went round with a paper bag on his head to draw attention to himself.

When we hear an apology from the Tory's for the lives and livings of good decent people which Mrs T destroyed, we may let her rest in peace.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Ringer
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 06:09 AM

I am glad to think that Mrs Thatcher's legacy will outlive your spite (and a pretty disgusting read this thread is; have none of you any shame?).

You talk as though she was solely responsible for the death of coal-mining in this country; she wasn't. Coal had been in decline for years beforehand (incidentally, now that coal-fired powerstations are being closed in an effort to lower Britain's carbon footprint, just what do you think would happen to the coal if we were still mining it?).

Before she was elected, jobs were being lost in numbers that dwarfed anything under her tenure. Between 1957 and 1963, 264 pits closed. Between 1963 and 1968, more than a third of a million miners left the industry. In 1967 alone there were almost 13 thousand forced redundancies. Under Harold Wilson one pit closed every week. By 1970, when the Conservatives (under Heath) were elected, there were just 300 pits left – just a third of the number of a quarter of a century earlier.

Margaret Thatcher's government inherited a demoralised coal industry which had seen productivity collapse by 6 percent in five years. Nevertheless, it made attempts at rescue (oh, but you can't give her credit for that, can you? It doesn't fit in with your hateful script): in 1981 a subsidy of £50 million was given to industries which switched from cheap oil to expensive British coal. Note that adjective: British coal was relatively expensive, but British taxpayers had to subsidise industries to use it. Later, a further £200 million was injected into the industry. Companies, such as the Central Electricity Generating Board, were banned from importing cheaper foreign coal and 3 million tonnes of coal piled up at Rotterdam at a cost to the British taxpayer of £30 million per year.

The coal industry was losing £1.2M per day. Three British pits out of four were losing money. In 1984 it cost £44 to mine a tonne of British coal, but America, Australia, and South Africa were selling it on the world market for £32.

That's what killed the British coal industry: inefficiency, not Margaret Thatcher.

I suspect that you direct all this hatred and spleen at Mrs Thatcher because her time in power has shown up your unthinking left-wing ideology for what it is: terminally ineffective as well as terminally dreary.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:46 AM

Shelley's words are stangely appropriate in the light of they way the war the economy and society are today:

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear --
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.'

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 05:39 AM

m, always a pleasure to spar with you, even though i disagree with you your responses make me chuckle
i think that the second world war was a different kettle of fish to the falklands, i still think her response to the end of the falkland war was typical of her tactless inconsiderate to those who lost their lives and heartless. it is quite different [morally ]forpeople to rejoice than for aleader of a nation to make such a stupid comment, it was at best ill advised and at worst tactless undiplomatic inconsiderate and lacking in compassion for those wounded and killed, in fact it was typical of a single minded blinkered heartless politician.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:55 AM

I offered no opinion on the war's justification or otherwise, Dick. I merely made the point that if you do fight a war, it is natural to 'rejoice' when your side is victorious, & that it is in no way unreasonable for the leader of the victorious nation to call on it to do so (the fact that serving military personnel will of course have been killed in the attainment of that victory is beside this particular point - people do get killed in battle, even victorious ones - especially since their participation, at times when there is no conscription, is voluntary, and they have in no way been coerced into a profession where they are fully aware of the inherent risks)*; and, above all, that Squeezer's modes of expression in stating his IMO mistaken opposition to what Mrs Thatcher said were vulgar, excessive, and disgraceful. He should, I reiterate, be ashamed of having said such things. You have, so far as I can see, adduced no reason for my being so in expressing this opinion.

~M~

*And probably worth adding here that even at times of impressment or conscription, victories are to be rejoiced in. Do you think people were wrong to celebrate after Trafalgar or Waterloo or El Alamein, or to take part in the enormous VE & VJ Day demonstrations which marked the end of WW2, because some people had lost relatives in them? I think Squeezer & you are way way up the creek, frankly.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: billybob
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:19 AM

Oh dear, first visit of the day to mudcat and this was at the top of the page!
I'm going to work, please stop by the time I get home ;-(

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Allan Conn
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:18 AM

"'The ANC is a typical terrorist organisation ... Anyone who thinks it is going to run the government in South Africa is living in cloud-cuckoo land' - Margaret Thatcher, 1987"

According to a blog on politicsweb it is claimed that this is oft mentioned Thatcher quote wasn't all her. The blog claims that only the first part of the quote was her and was in response to threats against British corporations in South Africa! The part about cloud cuckoo land they say was a different quote from Bernard Bingham. Not defending her just putting it in supposed context. Don't know what the truth is as far as the cloud cuckoo land bit. Is there any contemporary evidence that she said that or is it just later claims that she did?

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/politicsweb/view/politicsweb/en/page71619?oid=368489&sn=Detail&pid=71619

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:17 AM

The Iron Lady, Rust In Peace.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 04:03 AM

Because I do not think that particular war was something to rejoice about, I do not think the war was justified and I think you should be ashamed of an opinion that refuses to question the motives on both sides for that war, I think it was a political diversion for both sides,furthermore the fact that a particular side thought they won is not a reason to rejoice.
a more compassionate reaction from mrs thatcher would have been a low key response and a thankyou to those soldiers who sacrificed their lives.
you should be ashamed of yourself because you appear to think mrs thatchers response was the correct one, it may be a soldiers job to fight, but her response gave the impression she did not care a fig for the lives of those killed in that battle.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 10 Apr 13 - 01:26 AM

Why, Dick? I think I made it quite clear where I thought Squeezer was mistaken, and hence why his abusive terms in the context should 'shame' him. But I find nothing in your post to explain what you similarly think 'shamefully' wrong in my post to this effect. You are quite entitled to this 'opinion' of course; but is it not merely a valueless 'opinion' without some supporting justification?

~Michael~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Stanron
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 06:56 PM

"hey stanron, if you want to see a greater outpouring of bile just follow the threads on native rights issues. there you get the real quasi Nazis spouting ideas fit for der sturmer."

An interpretation would be appreciated.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 05:47 PM

m the g m,IMO you should be ashamed of your post, BUT THATS JUST MY OPINION

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 04:56 PM

hey stanron, if you want to see a greater outpouring of bile just follow the threads on native rights issues. there you get the real quasi Nazis spouting ideas fit for der sturmer.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 04:16 PM

Robert Mugabe used to be a black hero of the "left"..

Now he is regularly referred to in Thatcherite terms by our soft cuddly brethern.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:54 PM

Peter t Squeezer ~~ Those whose husbands, brothers, fathers, sons, serve in the armed services are in constant danger of hearing of their deaths in battle. It is part of the contract their menfolk undertake in opting for that profession. But if the engagement in which they lose their lives is a victory rather than a defeat, then of course it is a matter for rejoicing on the part of the population at large, as well as for pride on the part of the bereaved. At the age of 20+ you should have had sense enough to appreciate that. At the age now of, I estimate, 50+, you should certainly know better than to denounce the leader who called for such rejoicing as a "callous, vindictive cow [with] audacity". You should be ashamed of such a post ~~ but I don't suppose you are.

~M~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:20 PM

'This hero worship is very much misplaced'- John Carlisle MP, on the BBC screening of the Free Nelson Mandela concert in 1990
'The ANC is a typical terrorist organisation ... Anyone who thinks it is going to run the government in South Africa is living in cloud-cuckoo land' - Margaret Thatcher, 1987

'How much longer will the Prime Minister allow herself to be kicked in the face by this black terrorist?' - Terry Dicks MP, mid-1980s

'Nelson Mandela should be shot' - Teddy Taylor MP, mid-1980s

Yes, a lovely lady leading. lovely party.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 03:18 PM

That article by Iain Bell that Jim linked us to says it pretty well. I wish it could get reprinted down in the London media, where the hype is in danger of turning into Princess Diana proportions. Though iif there's a cortege in the streets announced in advance I suspect the other side of things is going to make itself heard.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Peter the Squeezer
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 02:39 PM

I was brought up in a fairly affluent, working class home, with very little talk of any political issues.

The action which woke me up politically, as a 20 something, was the Rt Hon Bitch standing outside 10 Downing St in April 1982, after UK armed forces had landed on South Georgia, telling us to "Rejoice".

How possibly could the callous, vindictive cow find the audacity to tell those people who had lost sons, brothers, fathers, husbands to rejoice?

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 02:12 PM

Dave H ~~ a foolish and thoroughly meretricious point. Where did she ever so describe all miners? Even if these were any of the same miners who fought the police and threw ballbearings under their horses' hoofs, your silly statement is on a par with pleading that the tyrant is kind to animals. We are not consistent beings in all situations; it would be perfectly possible for a person to behave bravely during an industrial accident and still at other times indulge in activities prdejudicial to the common weal. I well remember a wartime hero, awarded the Military Medal by the King, getting 12 years six months later for a particularly violent robbery in which a watchman was severely injured. Which was he, then ~~ heroic soldier or enemy within?

~M~

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Jim McLean
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 02:02 PM

This article in the Glasgow Herlad by Iain Bell is too long to cut and paste but definitely worth reading.


Thatcher in Scotland

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:47 PM

Re that "moment if silence", a quote from St Luke's Gospel seems apposite: "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out." It would have been a riot. Probably literally so.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:42 PM

I think that would have been the loudest minute of silence in recorded history of football stadiums.

Sounding off about her in the context of her death is pointless, and even exposes those doing as riduculous - but it needs to be seen in the context of a media here that has gone mad with adulation, most of it written by people who don't believe a word of it.

The hate comes from the fact that we have seen real and lasting damage done to people we love and admire, and to the whole quality of life in the place we live in.

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:38 PM

From BBC Look North tonight, the inquest on the death of a miner at Kellingley Colliery, miners in the pitch black were digging with their bare hand through tons of rubble and dust to try and save a burried comrade.

These are the people Thatcher called ' the enemy within '

Dave H

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: billybob
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:30 PM

The hundred acre wood sounds much nicer than here Dick!

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc7q9BePjzw, tiggersh fanttasy drivelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc7q9BePjzw. john mackenzie i am not paranoid , but i am realistic

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 01:06 PM

tiger has gone off to visit eeyore in 100 acre wood,or to live in a fantasy world with pooh bear,spending all day eating jars of honey, and maybe singning some doggerel, this sort of thinghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jA2lHb8tjk4

Subject: RE: Obit: Margaret Thatcher Dead (1925-2013)
From: Tiger
Date: 09 Apr 13 - 12:41 PM

It's hard to believe all the disgusting stuff that's been posted on this thread. You people should be ashamed.

Further, if that vitriol was directed at a liberal, you'd all want their tongues ripped out.

I've been here since '96, but this is probably my last visit to Mudcat.