Throwing litter from a moving vehicle

Subject: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Mad Jock
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 03:49 PM

Why do they do it!!!
I was driving back from Oban on Sunday 1st Sept when the white mini bus in front of me started throwing litter out of the window. When they threw the first piece it annoyed me the second got me angry and I blasted my horn and flashed my lights. More came out the window.

So if you are ever behind a white LDV Convoy mini bus reg no SK02 WDP watch out!

First item was

1. an empty plastic water bottle
2. a whole apple.
3. an empty juice box.
4 an half empty plastic drinks bottle containing something orange!

Nos 1-3 came out the near side and no4 came out the drivers side.

Beware.

I just hope the police pick them up sometime.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Elmore
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 03:51 PM

Sounds like b.s. to me.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Tootler
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:15 PM

I agree, this should be BS.

Mad Jock, don't waste your energy on these filthy hounds. You were lucky they didn't slam on the brakes to try and induce a rear end shunt for which it would be assumed you were the guilty party and you would be heavily penalised by your insurance company as a consequence.

Smokers are the worst offenders, in my experience.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Leadbelly
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 04:27 PM

You can't prevent idiots from doing this.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 08:48 PM

Re Tootler's scenario, the rules are simple - you should be far enough from the car in front that at the speed you are travelling you can halt in time even if it does slam to a halt. So if they do put on the brakes you should be OK. Except that the car behind you is probably much too close and will run into you...

Can't do anything about fools who chuck litter out. Just hope they do it some time in front of an unmarked police car.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Crowhugger
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 09:10 PM

Someone teaches these twerps that their sloppiness is entitled to trump everyone else's safety and civility. It's kind of a physical parallel to the social rudeness of swearing loudly on a busy sidewalk, although around here they don't ticket crude speech.

Once, my heart pounding after I realized what I was doing, I grabbed up a cellophane cigarette wrapper someone dropped/tossed, ran after him calling excuse me sir, excuse me, then I handed it to him "you dropped this." He was so stunned that took it, I was so stunned I got the heck outta there. That was a long time ago (pre-walker) in Toronto. Not so sure I'd do it now.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 09:35 PM

Here's the deal...

People are basically eat up ignorant these days... They throw their trash out the window thinkin', "Hey, job security for someone picking it up" and then complain that their taxes are too high because...

...ahhh, the government has to pay someone to pick up their trash???

Beam me up, Scotty...

B~

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Rob Naylor
Date: 02 Sep 13 - 10:05 PM

Now if you'd had a dash cam.....most cars over here in Russia seem to have them. Seems that cam evidence here improves your chances of getting a favourable (or any at all) insurance settlement. They also seem to prevent people "kicking off" at each other when there IS a shunt.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 01:46 AM

We all know it was an illegal act, as the ref to the 'unmarked police car' above confirms. You have their number. Why not report it to the police? I know you will feel it probably a waste of time as they would be unlikely to commit manpower to following up such an incident; but at least you would feel you had done something to try to obviate such illegal and anti-social behaviour, which is supposed to be every citizen's duty.

~M~

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Musket driven to distraction
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:00 AM

I abhor capital punishment and see it as a wonderful sign of civilisation that enlightened countries such as ours stopped it many years ago.

However, I have a little list....

Throwing rubbish from cars

Driving at 40 in a 60 zone with a queue behind you, then carrying on at 40 once you hit the 30 zone.

Spilling my pint.

Telling me I sang it wrong and it should be sung thus.



Hang on, getting steam up now..

Not controlling your bloody children in shops, restaurants or, worse still, in pubs.

Pulling out on me causing me to brake, then starting your 40 mph party trick.

Owning a red Honda Civic in our village. (You know who you are, swine..)

Being retired, having all week to spend the day with your lawn mower and strimmer but no, using it on Sunday when the rest of the neighbourhood wants to sit in their garden relaxing.

Ringing me to offer to get PPI protection money back on cards I don't have.

Thinking that just because I let you service my boiler, I want you to ring me every bleeding week offering me other services. Why I want electrical cover from a company with gas in the title being beyond me.

After I ordered my new car the other week from a different dealer, saying your quote was a first stab and in reality could have offered a much better deal if I had haggled more, after all.



String the bloody lot up.

Road litterers first up to the 'ocky.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:52 AM

and the ones who do 40 in a 40 zone but then make a last minute emergency brake application when they see a speed camera, carefully pass it at 30 then accelerate back to the speed limit.

and every Londoner would add tourists who stand on the left on escalators.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:58 AM

The mantra seems to be "Never use the waste bin till the pavement is full"

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 05:11 AM

Musket, I feel just as you do about the '40 MPH Club'. They only know one speed and stick to it through thick and thin. I thought it was only Norfolk where they do this, but obviously it's everywhere. I had a little ditty I composed in my head, here is the chorus:- "Everyone in Norfolk droives at for'y moiles an ar, moo'or boik or tractor, minibus or caaar, gooing just a little way or travelling quoite faar, everyone in Norfolk droives at for'y moiles an ar." I get furious at the litter in and around our village. People even stop at the top of the road where there's a passing place and toss out the entire contents of their rubbish bag into the hedge. I've had litter hit my windscreen (an empty water bottle, cigarette end etc.) Can you imagine what their houses are like? Pigsties! And don't get me started on chewing gum....

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 05:53 AM

No ~~ their houses are not like that. They save such goings-on for public places, I fear. Way back 50 years ago, in my teaching days, uniquely among my colleagues so far as I could see, I made any piece of paper on the floor be picked up by the nearest pupil, whoever had dropped it; and would pick it up myself if I was nearest. The cleaners once reported to the headmaster that mine was the only decently kept classroom, and took half the time to clean than any of the others. One girl once asked me, "Sir, do you go on like this at home, making people pick all the paper up from the floor?" "There isn't any paper on the floor in my house," I replied; "is there in yours?" "Well, no," she admitted, "there isn't actually."

It's a matter of different practices in places other than one's own, by people suffered to adopt inferior standards. Which is why they should be complained of to the police when their activities, as in the present instance, are against the law.

~M~

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: G-Force
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 05:59 AM

Well, you could go and live in Singapore, where they cane you for antisocial behaviour, and even dirty cars aren't tolerated.

But I guess we love our freedom too much. Everything has it's down side.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 06:29 AM

But, G-Force, even without going to the length of corporally punishing them, the law should surely be brought into play to deter such offenders against its provisions. Fines are available to the authorities to impose for such illegalities. A 'free country' doesn't mean one in which laws, even minor ones, can be disregarded with impunity ~~ or shouldn't, should it?

~M~

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 06:52 AM

With apologies to Diana Ross:


Do you know where you're going to.
When it comes to driving you've no f***ing clue
What you are trying to do.
Do you know?

Do you know what you're looking for?
When you park and open up the offside door
That's what your mirror's for.
Did you know?

Once you were young and fancy free
You walked, or rode a bike & didn't bother me.
But now to read The Highway Code would suit you best.
I sometimes wonder how you ever passed the test!

Do you know where you're going to.
When it comes to driving you've no f***ing clue
What you are trying to do.
Do you know?

Do you know what you're looking for?
When you park and open up the offside door
That's what your mirror's for.
Did you know?

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 07:09 AM

Michael, I was just like you as a teacher. My classroom was always spick and span, and tidy in the extreme. I wonder if I had OCD, but I found I just couldn't work in a chaotic mess. Actually the children loved it and took a great pride in tidying and picking up bits and pieces. The cleaner, Mrs Skillins, used to laugh and say I was putting her out of a job. Our tiny house I have to say is the same, tidy and reasonably clean. My lovely husband has the same standards so we keep everything well-sorted. Another thing I hate is finding litter in my garden. Passing children chuck their sweet papers and crisp packets into my bushes. Grrr! Call the Child Catcher!

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 09:16 AM

... and when he catches them, Eliza, take a tip from G-Force above. I wouldn't actually recommend the Singapore cane -- not the first time anyhow; but a little smack on the bottom might be just what the situation calls for. (Only these days, alas, I fear you'd have the Fuzz round before you could say.... And I bet your lovely husband would have something very much to the point to say about that too, eh?!)

~M~

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 10:04 AM

I just hope the police pick them up sometime.

Well, Jock - Did you take down their vehicle plate number? Did you have a mobile phone? Did you phone the police? If no mobile phone did you contact the police with their plate number when you got to a phone?

Hoping won't solve the problem.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 10:28 AM

GregF ~~ I have made that very point three times so far. But is anybody listening?

~M~

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: EBarnacle
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 01:09 PM

I call the slowpokes "Bumblebees," after the cartoon [Warner Brothers, I believe] which features a young buzzard, singing "I'm bringing home a baby bumblebee, won't my mommy be so proud of me..." to the tune of Arkansas Traveler. Very slow tempo.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 01:16 PM

Oh EBarnacle, I know that song! Used to sing it with my Brownies in the seventies. We sang it in a little baby voice, it went "Won't my mummy be surprised at me.." Then it stung her, so she sang "I'm squashing up the baby bumblebee..." (with actions of course!) Nice to remember it after all these years!

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 04:40 PM

THE EVERLASTING PERCY
by E V Knox


I used to be a fearful lad,
The things I did were downright bad;
And worst of all were what I done
From seventeen to twenty one
On all the railways far and wide
From sinfulness and shameful pride.

For several years I was so wicked
I used to go without a ticket,
And travelled underneath the seat
Down in the dust of people's feet,
Or else I sat as bold as brass
And told them "Season" in First Class.
In 1921, at Harwich,
I smoked in a non-smoking carriage;
I never knew what Life nor Art meant,
I wrote "Reserved" on my compartment,
And once (I was a guilty man)
I swapped the labels in guard's van.

From 1922 to 4,
I leaned against the carriage door
Without a -looking at the latch;
And once, a-leaving Colnet Hatch,
I put a huge and heavy parcel
Which I were taking to Newcastle,
Entirely filled with lumps of lead,
Up on the rack above my head;
And when it tumbled down, oh Lord!
I pulled communication cord.
The guard came round and said "You mule!
What have you done you dirty fool?"
I simply sat and smiled and said
"Is this train right for Holyhead?"
He said "You blinking blasted swine,
You'll have to pay the five pound fine."
I gave a false name and address,
Puffed up with my vaingloriousness.
At Bickershaw and Strood and Staines
I've often got on moving trains,
And once alit at Norwood West
Before my coach had come to rest.
A window and a lamp I broke
At Chipping Sodbury and Stoke
And worse I did at Wissendine:
I threw out bottles on the line
And other articles as be
Likely to cause grave injury
To persons working on the line-
That's what I did at Wissendine.
I grew so careless what I'd do
Throwing out things, and dangerous too,
That, last and worst of all I'd done,
I threw a great sultana bun
Out of the train at Pontypridd-
It hit a platelayer, it did,
I thought that I should have to swing
And never hear the sweet birds sing.
The jury recommended mercy,
And that's how grace was given to Percy.

And now I have a motorbike,
And up and down the dales I hike,
Seeing the lovely birds and flowers,
And windmills with their sails and towers,
And all the wide sweep of the Downs
And villages and country towns
And hear the mowers mowing hay
And smell the great sea far away
And always keeping - cars be blowed-
Well on the wrong side of the road.
Never heeding hoots nor warners.
'specially around the corners.
I have a flapper on the carrier.
Some day I'm going to marry her.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Sep 13 - 06:45 PM

I blame tidy people. I mean, I never chuck anything out of the car, and the car's a tip. Eventually it gets on my nerves, and I tidy it up and put it in the bin.   I suspect these chuckers have impeccable car interiors.

Car cams to avoid getting falsely accused in accidents are easily enough available, and could rapidly pay forthemselves in reduced insurance costs. Though of course if something is your fault they show up. That as well. Bu I can't imagine the police stirring themselves over this kind of thing with litter unless it was pretty extreme. And clearly dangerous.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Sep 13 - 04:55 AM

When we were kids my Bro and I were told to keep any sweet wrappers in our pockets till we found a waste bin , or else bring them home to be binned there

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 04 Sep 13 - 03:35 PM

Not wishing to sound like Grumpy Methuselah, but when I was a child, things weren't wrapped in plastic, we didn't drink bottled water, eat takeaway food in cartons, have canned drinks, or even many sweets (still 'on the Ration'). We didn't chew gum either. So it was very unusual to see litter lying around. There were scaffies (street sweepers) but they seemed to be mostly concerned with dead leaves. Any sweet wrappers we did manage to get our hands on were smoothed out and treasured in a shoe box. I well remember being delighted with the shiny, silvery colours of those wrappers and the 'see through' ones in red, blue and green. And food in general wasn't wrapped in anything much, maybe a sheet of newspaper for fish or a conical blue paper bag for sugar. Drinks like Tizer were in glass refundable bottles. Dustbins were full of ash from fires and nothing much else. Happy days! (And Happy Planet!)

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 03:48 AM

The police will do nothing at all unless you have at least one preferably two independent witnesses. Indeed I once provided them with the names and contact details of two independent and reliable witnesses to a typical piece of "Jason Statham" driving in which an Audi overtook several vehicles on a motorway - by a run up the hard shoulder at over 90. They managed to misinterpret the facts and do nothing about the Audi driver on the alleged ground that there was no independent evidence. They will also do nothing unless a prosecution is "in the public interest".

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 09:13 AM

I can't imagine the police stirring themselves over this kind of thing

And that's a big part of the problem - the laws aren't enforced.

They will also do nothing unless a prosecution is "in the public interest".

I would submit that preventing the countryside from looking like a tip is in the public interest.

Subject: RE: Throwing litter from a moving vehicle
From: GUEST,Jack Sprocket
Date: 05 Sep 13 - 05:58 PM

" the laws aren't enforced. "

Don't forget that the police are people, and if you get to be a copper it's odds on you're a bit of a Jack-the-Lad yourself. Car hits a pedestrian? Probably a jaywalker, anyway only a few letters between pedestrian and paedophile. Cyclist hits a pedestrian? Bloody inconvenience to the driving public, pays no road tax, throw the book at the lefty bastard.