BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)

Subject: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 11:12 AM

I saw this and thought of our very own 'Shhhh You Know Who!'

Curiouser & Curiouser Said Alice, to herself, by herself, for herself

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 11:37 AM

"This is what you do when you're in desperate, desperate need of help - you scream out."

There seem to be a lot of crying in this world and not much help. Maybe a different strategy is in order. Perhaps going to a Mental Hospital and saying "Help!"

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 12:28 PM

Or, Shhh - you know Liz, perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Amos
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 12:32 PM

Hsardly sanyone rerally gets the help he needs. Slamming around doing offensive things does not seem to be a viable or rational response.

If that picture is really what the lass looks like, I can make a few suggestions for her when she gets out.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Charmion
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 01:29 PM

She was not jailed for trolling herself; she was convicted of making false accusations. The trolling was merely the false trail.

Righteous bust, in my opinion.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 01:32 PM

She has a husband? OMFG.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 01:36 PM

PS - let me reiterate. As usual MLC has the wrong end of the stick. That thing was jailed for trying to frame innnocent people.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 01:46 PM

OK Richard, she was jailed for being her own (t)roll, while pretending the troll was someone else.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Feb 14 - 05:57 PM

Nope. No idea 'you know who' is. Sorry.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 05:34 AM

...or even no idea WHO 'you know who' is.

The above Lewis Carroll quote is actually

'Curiouser and curiouser!' cried Alice (she was so much surprised, that for the moment she quite forgot how to speak good English);

Which really does remind me of someone :-)

Out of interest, I do remember quoting some Lewis Carroll myself once. "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone. "It means just what I choose it to mean - neither more or less." Can't remember what it was in reference to...

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 06:17 AM

It was in reference to his exclaiming "Impenetrability. That's what I say"; and, when asked by Alice what he meant by "Impenetrability", he replied, "There's a nice knockdown argument for you"; and on Alice's objecting that "Impenetrability" doesn't mean a nice knockdown argument, he replied as above.

HYH

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 06:27 AM

Thanks, Michael. I think I may have used it in different circumstances but I do appreciate the information.

What's HYH?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 06:45 AM

Sorry - typo ~~ meant HTH

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 07:06 AM

I was still no wiser but having looked it up - Yes, it did help :-)

Thanks

D

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Eldergirl
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 11:07 AM

Hit The Hay? -oh no, sorry, that's HTH isn't it...

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 01:16 PM

Hope That Helps

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: gnu
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 01:45 PM

What helps?

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 02:43 PM

Just saying what HTH stands for —— as you gnu all along...

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Feb 14 - 02:50 PM

Gnostic?

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 05:37 AM

Are you saying that Gnu or Gnome are gnostic?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:01 AM

It sounds as though she is a very sad and mentally unwell lady. What she did was very bad, but if she has mental health issues, how can one punish her? She should have help not punishment. Rather an unenlightened way of dealing with her IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Janie
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 11:40 AM

I disagree, Eliza - at least I think I do. We might mean different things by punishment. From what little I have read, it doesn't sound to me that her mental health issues render her not responsible for her actions, which were quite deliberate and carried out with malicious intent. Not saying she doesn't need help. But it does sound like (again, I don't much about this situation) it is appropriate for her to be held criminally responsible for her actions.

In the fwiw department, I find the comments on this thread regarding her physical appearance to be offensive.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 12:01 PM

I am pretty sure Brady and Hindley had mental health issues as well :-(

How should we have treated them and subsequent transgressors of the same ilk?

And for what it is worth I agree with Janie on both scores.

Just wondering.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 12:15 PM

For those who do not know the "Lizzie Cornish" persona from her appearance on other threads: she started this one for no other reason than her own problems with "trolling", faked identities, vile accusations, and ardent zeal. No need to discuss Ms. Chapman, we have our own multitude of "you know who"s, including (as Greg suggests) but not restricted to the OP herself.

There is a difference though: in spite of her queer motives, Ms. Chapman acted on a very rational plan for precisely defined goals. In contrast, aggressive Mudcatters often fail their self-professed agenda completely, and any possible secret one, except for making fools of themselves (- "onanism", as one of them admits or boasts).

What can be done? Tell them from time to time, so that they cannot plead ignorance. Offer help, or recommend seeking help, only if success seems likely. Ignore otherwise.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 12:55 PM

janie, I quite agree. Remarks of that sort about someone's appearance are extremely offensive.
As to punishment versus treatment etc, it's very difficult to ascertain IMO how much someone is in fact responsible for their actions. And even harder to decide how to deal with such cases. I just felt that this lady may have had issues of a deeply emotional sort, which possibly drove her to vindictive behaviour. I felt pity as well as shock at what she did.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:07 PM

Hello, Lizzie. I haven't seen you on the Mudcat for a while.

I see what you mean about the case of Michelle Chapman. Just when we thought we had seen every kind of falsehood the Internet had to offer, here comes another one.

It was several years ago when my husband told me about people who posted messages to the blackjack poker boards and then took other user names and attacked themselves.

Now Chapman has pretended to be actual people attacking her. Ordinarily this would be simply neurotic, but Chapman was stupid enough to commit libel and to trigger a criminal investigation. Sly isn't smart.

====
My newspaper had news of further falsehoods today. Thieves have figured out how to make their caller ID simulate the local police department, and they are calling people and dunning them for non-existent parking tickets, hoping to get money or critical information.   

And now there's "swatting..." I don't have time to tell about that. It's probably written up online, however.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Feb 14 - 06:21 PM

I agree with everything Janie has said.

As to what Griska said, It is not up to punish other forum members unless we can do it without being unkind, impolite argumentative or snooty. I think that it might be easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle.

Our real choices are to point out their behavior and hope that they comply, to ignore them, or in this case, not read a whole lot into their motives when they are not actually trolling.

How about we give them the benefit of the doubt and only complain when they are actually doing something wrong?

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 04:49 AM

Jack, I have no intention to punish anyone. What I wrote about Lizzie C. was meant as a short information for those who did not read, say, the thread titled "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" she started last year. It comprises the motif of posting under various names. No need to "read a whole lot into their motives", just read it out of the threads.

Strange thing is that most offenders see themselves as victims, acting in self-defence or defending other victims. Often they do have a point, yet they act inadequately and inhibit others in exercising their freedom of speech.

Strange thing also that other Mudcatters feel prompted to write phrases like "she is actually a nice person" or "I am surprised to read that you can have kind emotions". Something must have gone wrong with the communication.

If I sound snooty myself, I apologize: I definitely do not enjoy it. Certainly I am not talking about enforcing rules by policing. My suggestion was

to ignore them

- the "trolling" messages.

Subject: RE: BS: Jailed for being your own Troll :0)
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 09 Feb 14 - 06:03 AM

As a general comment on the spite and nastiness that has become a part of the Internet, Facebook, forums etc. It would be so simple if people could merely ignore what is written. I'm thinking especially of vulnerable young women who take nasty remarks so much to heart, and in some tragic cases commit suicide or self-harm as a result. But ignoring can't be so easy if the remarks concern members of ones family, ones appearance, attacks on ones character etc. These things sting and hurt, like 'poison pen letters' of times past. As an oldie, I'm amazed at the power of the little electronic screen. If only vulnerable people could just switch it off, and turn to the real world, form real friendships and get involved in a real life, as we used to do fifty years ago. It's very sad.