BS: the demise of the boring thread

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:04 PM

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

I'm old enough to have read Pogo, Jeri. Be careful, you're introducing interesting stuff into this thread.

:)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:12 PM

I wonder who cured Michael Portillo.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:31 PM

You folks still don't get it, do you? You're so stuck up with past performance you can't see how what you've done has nose-dived into the depths where nobody in their right minds really wants to know you to the point where we want to identify ourselves to you.
Max and his colleagues deserve far better than you, and the Guests here - and there are a number of us, and we are not colluding in any shape or form, despite Ed's rather transparent attempt to take the piss last night - respect them. We respect them when they kill a thread because it has become so remorselessly negative as not to have any point on this earth. But we do not respect you, because you do not respect each other and in that contempt have lowered yourselves to the level of your opponents.
Stop the rubbishing and build something again and we might offer you some respect in the future. I doubt if anyone writing with the vitriol used here can communicate anything useful when performing, so perhaps we should make it a rule: play a verse of whatever you're working on before posting. It'll raise the level of performance, at any rate.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:45 PM

"As Gerry with a G once said, "They never went away.""
Can I clear one thing up Keith
I have no intention in allowing any of our spiralling out-of control arguments, but this doesn't man I intend to ignore your illegal, undemocratic and revolting behaviour - even if you have a big brother to protect you.
Mess around with my right to speak my mind unsmeared and I'll do my best to ascertain that your feet don't tou
I've undertaken to stop our arguing - I suggest you do the same
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:51 PM

Funnily enough, I love that this mysterious "Dr Graveyard" says nice things about me. There again, unlike the fictitious Jack the Sailor, I have met him, and for that matter been involved with his professional life. He sees fit to mention it, so I suppose there is no harm in admitting it. He found me through Mudcat as I was in a band with his father.

His use of Seaham Cemetry isn't something I agree with, as the inference behind it is rather serious. That said, my defence of Akenaton, or at least my hope Seaham Cemetry is mistaken is on record yet doesn't get acknowledged. His disagreement with me further up this page doesn't get recognition either...

I'll leave it at that. Moderators know what I want to type at this point and we can't upset those who set out to upset whole sections of society eh? Wouldn't want to hurt the feelings of Keith. Akenaton is too fragile and Goofus won't be able to cure people if he is upset.

Like I said, some people love to speculate on discrediting him because he knows more than they do about sexual health. I get discredited for knowing more too. The mental leap is that it is spooky that we do! Add a few hundred thousand health care professionals, research scientists, strategic planners etc in healthcare and we must be the same people because we say the same things!

On health matters, I know what we are dealing with which is why the absurd bullshit promoted here to vilify people is so so sick.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:58 PM

absurd bullshit promoted here to vilify people

Another claim I confidently predict will never be illustrated with a single example.

I have made about a dozen confident predictions in recent weeks, and never yet been wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:16 PM

and we might offer you some respect in the future.

Respect? From a self confessed member who is too cowardly to let us know who he is? Do you think that respect from you is anything that anyone would want? Do you really think you are helping the moderators by pretending to be someone else?

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DtG.

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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:44 PM

Glad you find him amusing, Dave. I, personally, can make neither heads nor tails of what on earth he thinks he is on about.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:48 PM

I once tried to get interest in a Guest only site. But,the high and mighty anon. Guests preferred to post-argue on the very sites they (with a tight upper pisting lip), claim they detest (versus ignoring them), giving these same posts (with some very bad blokes, that they dislike) a greater life and strange-but-true, add to the site discord (with the blind eye-assistance of some mods).

"Strange things happen under the site's discussion- forum midnight sun".

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:53 PM

And that, folks, is exactly why nobody wants to know you. Must be off now, something more serious to do than you bunch of wasters.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:00 PM

I thought so - Have you actually learned a bit of English, Conc? Your new postings are nowhere near as funny as your earlier ones.

:D tG
(Stupid little grin, just for you)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:00 PM

You can try to "do" me, but I doubt you have the balls to make my eyeballs swivel.



Nice to see Keith hasn't been wrong in weeks. Your family must be so proud.

Mind you, admitting he was wrong before then is a start I suppose....

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:04 PM

So, Guest # 6 remains an anon.

Even though jeri (with a j), had an opportunity last night "to be proud", and identify the he-she.

Oh well, I suspect the temptation-lyre for argument is too great, and he-she will return, maybe with their real "mudfolky" name as a back-up.

:).

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:14 PM

No real doctor would publish the libellous stuff about me and cruelty to animals, just because I am a trainer of greyhounds.
There are absolutely no grounds for this disgusting allegation, so he/SHE must be evil, or an extremely stupid individual.
Certainly not the sort of person who most of us would chose to take care of our health

I agree with Jack, there are similarities in the nonsense posted, but I feel it is slightly more convoluted than the simple faking of personas.

The input of our bell ringing friend Jack Blandiver is also interesting.
The plot thickens.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:19 PM

Sorry, the above post should have the header Seaham Cemetery.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 03:34 PM

Akenaton.

Please acknowledge I vehemently disagreed with what he put here and also on the Greyhound Action website under a different pseudonym.

No real doctor would support your scare blame on gay men for that matter. Real doctors are real people, with the possible exception that they see more of the results of bigotry and hate than your average Scottish building site labourer.

The only persona with an issue is the one called Akenaton. It leads the person behind it into thinking gay people are different so you can make pronouncements about them. That you can confuse them with people at risk of HIV. That their marriage isn't as legal, deep and meaningful as any other.

Don't accuse others of sharing a person or whatever you are trying to say when you are the one exhibiting personality disorder.

I think your posts resemble the words, sometimes to the letter of right wing extremist websites. I get daily briefing emails from DoH comms of what they are saying on health issues and your words keep cropping up.

Glass houses.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 03:43 PM

Sorry, MtheGM, I realise I should have explained. I am pretty sure that Guest is non other that Guest 'concerened' (yes, with that spelling) and Guest 'the troll formally known as conc'. If it is a member then they are pretty good at role play because the role play persona has particularly obnoxious streak matched only by his stupidity. I could be wrong of course and this one really is a member in disguise. Who is also particularly obnoxious and stupid. Only the moderators can tell!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 03:59 PM

And now, Coming Attractions, the thrilling thread sequel, "The Demise of the demise of the boring thread."

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:00 PM

Get CB DeMille on that sequel, Q. It'll be dramatically significant when the dam breaks. (Ready whenever you are, CB!)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:12 PM

I had a dream last night:

There have been trolls, now there are a special order of Guest trolls, immune to the posting rules.

Soon coming:, "abusive, infallible, ninja, guest troll mods", who are free to abusively post on threads, as regular posters- and with access to information, to freely share) and with hidden immunity from the normal 'cat rules'.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:48 PM

Note: my ladf post was a dream. I am now awake, and realize that if was "not to be"

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 05:56 PM

Ladf = last in Ed T land:)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Stringsinger
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:01 PM

Mudcat, aptly named because a lot of mud is slung about here, still offers an alternative to a lack of voice found elsewhere on the net. If you can wade through the silly mud clods hurled about, a space for intelligent sharing of information is possible.

I agree with Jim Carroll that censorship does nothing to aid free speech and the silencing of ideas that you don't agree with has a negative effect on a democratic free-for-all and that democratic opinion is healthy. I don't see that these threads are totally boring, but they could be if people restrict their option to express their views.

Maybe what we're looking at is hoping for the demise of boring people who present their views in a personal attack mode rather than from a position of logic persuasiveness.

It's such a cop-out to call names rather than answer with intelligence and logic and dismiss those who offend you with their ideas by denigrating them personally or being lazy and by not taking the time to understand what is valuable in the statements being presented.

Also, a feeble attempt at humor directed toward ridicule is absolutely boring, the humor that is really not funny but adolescent or sophomoric.

Say something worthwhile and it won't be boring, eliciting an interesting conversation.

I think that this is the real purpose behind a BS section in the Mudcat site.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:33 PM

Well I agree with much of what you say, Stringsinger.

However, the definition of what is "boring" , is a very subjective matter. I would wager that what you may see as "interesting" would seem as "boring" by some, possibly many, others. On the positive side, it does not take much physical effort to pass over what makes you "yawn", as others frequently do. Limiting free speech related to humour, and not respscting differing tastes, would be an odd concept, indeed.
:)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:54 PM

Stringsinger, I am happy to be in agreement with you here.
Rare enough.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Don Firth
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 08:57 PM

Stringsinger, well said. Amen to that!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:09 AM

sounds good stringsinger......

who's going to be the first one to say something interesting that elicits a civilised response?

(waits with baited breath.......)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:16 AM

Err.....


Get fucked?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 03:38 AM

I would certainly agree that boring is subjective. I am interested in folk music and dance. If I start to talk about it in any depth to some others I can see their eyes glaze over. So, Stringsinger, in the spirit of "a position of logic persuasiveness", how do you propose we ensure that boring people are not allowed on Mudcat?

I disagree that logic persuasiveness is always the way. Take the following example. (Any similarity to persons real or imagined is strictly coincidental.)

Person A. "Group XYX are a bunch of perverts"
Person B. "No, I think you will find that you cannot categorise group XYZ just by the colour of their religion and that there are many in that group who lead good and perfectly normal lives"
Person A. "You are just being brainwashed by a communist plot to give XYZites more rights than us."
Person B. "There is no evidence of such a plot. You may feel that XYZites are getting a good deal but that is simply because they have been subjected to abuse in the past and we are now just giving them the same rights as the rest of us."
Person A. "There are studies that show that XYZites are perverts and you can't argue with statistics"
Person B. "Yes you can. Statistics on their own can be very misleading. There are often factors that are not taken into consideration and they are often commissioned by people who have a vested interest."
Person A. "If you are for XYZites you are supporting perverts."
Person B. "Good grief. Sorry, but there is no reasoning with you. You are just an XYZophobe."
Person A. "All you can do is resort to calling me names. I just presented the facts and you turned on me!"

Just who is slinging mud and who is trying to clean up the place here?

Sorry for the lengthy post.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Seaham cemetry
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 04:05 AM

More to the point, how do you know person X is being witty in the first place? I am someone else according to those who cant win their arguments with lies and distortions.

Akenaton is wrong. Doctors are required to "provide curative or palliative intervention" in emergencies, but not by cold choice.

In a nutshell, I would be able to decide what constitutes an emergnecy, and I could decide not to treat you every bit as much as you could decide not to be treated by me. I am used to every level of bigot and loud mouthed rant about people who dont look or act as they do. I strugggle to think of one who tries to lay down evidence to suggest we should discriminate on sexual orrientation. My wife's view of her fellow greyhound trainer may yet have merit.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 04:11 AM

You were slinging mud there Dave.
No-one has labelled anyone "a bunch of perverts"
No-one has claimed studies that show that XYZites are perverts and you can't argue with statistics.

From my perspective, the debate you refer to was about how great is the health risk to XYZites and what can reasonably be done to protect them.

Musket, Nice to see Keith hasn't been wrong in weeks.
Thanks.
All those confident predictions were that no example could ever be produced of "criminal hatred" "homophobic lying" etc. in anyone's posts because it is not there.

Strong evidence that we do not need you to save us from it.
That it is just a tactic to silence anyone who dares to challenge your orthodoxy when you can't actually answer the criticism.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 04:30 AM

You should give lessons in self confidence Keith. Lots of opportunities for someone with as much sanctimonious self belief as you. (Sorry, that should read, as you.."are articulating." Can't upset the mods.)

Is "nobody" Keith code for Akenaton? It would answer a hell of a lot.

Nice to see you instantly recognise yourself in Dave's imaginary scenario. Do you have a cap that fits? Possibly a beret?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 04:36 AM

You were slinging mud there Dave.

Errr, Keith, I said quite clearly "Any similarity to persons real or imagined is strictly coincidental". Have you assumed that I lied when I said that? If not, exactly who am I slinging mud at?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 05:06 AM

I get confused. Is this the thread where I can call him names or is that the other one?

I think here, I am limited to nipple, orifice, dense, smug and gimp mask whereas in the other thread the sky's the limit.

Is that right?

. Good lad Musket. You get there eventually.

Ok, I'll pop over to the other thread and rip the piss.




Hang on. Is that green font giving the chuffing game away?   Oh bollocks.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 05:43 AM

You should give lessons in self confidence Keith.

I am full of self doubt Musket, but quite certain I have seen no "criminal hate," "homophobic lies" etc. on here.

You are very confident it is on here, and you keep referring to it, but you can't actually find any.
I suggest it is your self confidence that is misplaced.

Dave, you were throwing mud at whoever you had in mind when you composed your piece.
If it was no-one, fine.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 05:58 AM

Are you? Are you full of self doubt?

It comes over in the same way your humility and social skills do.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:25 AM

Dave, you were throwing mud at whoever you had in mind when you composed your piece.
If it was no-one, fine.

It about was no-one. I said it was about no-one. I am surprised that you did not notice.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:33 AM

NB - In my last post, imagine there is a 'stop italics' after the word 'fine'. And yes, I know there is not really. It is an imaginary scenario :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:39 AM

Bloody HTML Dave. I stopped the red text and it just turned green. It meant I couldn't pretend the moderators were in collusion with me when I took the piss out of Keith for knowi... Err.. thinking... your xyz script had his name in lights as the star billing.




You're so vain,
you probably think this thread is about you.......

You're SO VAIN!!!!!!!!!



Sorry, got a bit carried away there.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:43 AM

I thought it was about Akenaton again, because it actually has been claimed he called people perverts.
No-one has ever accused me of doing that, so no, I did not think it was about me.

Nice singing though Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 07:24 AM

Yes, of course.

Just because it is about the organ grinder doesn't mean I can't take the piss out of his monkey.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 08:45 AM

It wasn't about anyone Musket.
Dave said so.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 08:53 AM

That's alright then.

Perhaps your words were twisted by by knaves to make a trap for fools eh?

Dave said it in abstract. Dave never mentioned anyone.

I however am making the required mental leaps.

Fancy a banana?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:14 AM

SRS, I dangled it in here to see if anyone got it.

The Keith & Jim show is alive and well. It has adopted the sitcom device in which the married couple aren't talking to one another, and instead, talk through the kids. "Tell your father I said ..."

At this stage, I'm assuming people here are actually trying to be humorous, because the English have such a finely-honed sense of humor, and nobody could be oblivious enough to miss the silliness of it all.

Theater of the absurd. I wonder how they could be written into a pantomime.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:25 AM

"The Keith & Jim show is alive an well."
No it bloody well isn't Jeri
I intervened when Keith began to interfere with my and other members rights by attempting to question our rights and status because of the length of time of our holding membership or my recent resignation.
He has suggested on four occasions that one of us go away and that I should honour my resignation and stop posting.
Your willingness to accept this behaviour without comment really doesn't say too much for your take on democracy, but it says volumes about which side you take on Keith's arguments.   
Keith's dishonesty appears to have become pandemic.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:41 AM

Jim, it was me who persuaded you to stay remember.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:44 AM

Musket, Dave did not say it in abstract.
He said "It was about was no-one. I said it was about no-one. I am surprised that you did not notice."

I am surprised that you did not notice.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:51 AM

"Jim, it was me who persuaded you to stay remember."
Your behavior was exactly as described, and that is all I have responded to
"Don't go"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 10:21 AM

Keith. Can you just read back to yourself what you just typed?

Then go onto the other thread to read my response?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 12:18 PM

Mudcat has become an outlet for anger that takes its form in attacking others personally, which is boring. I don't think we should support the notion of a "Jim and Keith" show and I don't see this as a valid observation which plays into the very thing that so many here complain about.

Al, I agree we have to wait until an intelligent conversation emerges but I am always hopeful.

The responsibility for keeping threads from becoming boring relies on the kind of participation given by its posters. "Threads don't bore people; people do". Sorry to paraphrase such an egregious line for such a noxious issue.