BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 03:34 AM

"is irrelevant to our experience here."
Violent racist attacks, harassment and discrimination in Britain have been part of the lives of outsiders who have settled in Britain throughout the 20th and into this century, Jews, West Indians, European asylum seekers.... anybody of the 'wrong' colour, religion and origin.
'Paki-bashing' almost achieved the status of a national sport from the 70s to the 90s in parts of England.
Open warfare under the name of Religious differences in Northern Ireland led to loss of life here and in mainland Britain for two decades - hopefully, that is disappearing, but we are about to see yet another display of religious and national triumphalism here in a few weeks time.
Some of the worst of those once active in the Troubles have now directed their attentions to asylum seekers and Muslims - racist attacks in the part of Ireland that is still British have been reported as being on the increase.         
Someone once claimed strikes and industrial unrest as 'the British disease', that has long been replaced by racist and religious intolerance.
A couple of years ago a survey revealed that a quarter of British people admitted to holding and expressing racist views; that was confirmed by another poll this year and is now taking political shape as indicated by the fact that Ukip went into the election on a racist ticket and gained significant support.
All this has taken place because of hatred generated by people like yourself with your 'cultural implants' and hate-merchants like the B.N.P.
Well done you.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 03:53 AM

Musket, by "them" I meant Islamic radicals, the subject of this thread.

Jim, our own security services recognise Islamic radicalism as currently by far the greatest threat to our security and safety.

Are you saying it is not?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 04:27 AM

Not Austin, Texas. Austin 1100. Just trying to lighten things up and obviously failing...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 04:55 AM

Worthy effort Dave.
Afraid I was just too thick or absorbed to get it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 07:19 AM

"Are you saying it is not?"
I am saying, a they have in the past, that there is not enough evidence to make such a statement.
I tend to regard 'spooks', as I do politicians, as untrustworthy employees of whoever is in power at the time (and in some cases, as in the cases of their espionage activities regarding some 'unapproved of' elected politicians) a law unto themselves.
As I have said over and over again, the Muslim communities are among the most law-abiding and industrious of all British citizens.
Demonising them by denigrating their religion and equating their behaviour with that of a handful of extremists and criminals, as you and your squalid bunch of brothers have persistently attempted to do, is far more likely to make them militants that the behaviour of a tiny bunch of nutty extremists.
You have not responded to one point I have made abour racism and sectarianism in Britain, nor will you - you seig heilers provoke race and cultural hatred rather than condemn it
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 07:38 AM

Hex 15!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 07:38 AM

Demonising them by denigrating their religion and equating their behaviour with that of a handful of extremists and criminals,

I do not do that, but the "handful of extremists" (the security services are aware of thousands!) are a serious threat and it is foolish to think the "spooks" are lying to you about it.

As I have said over and over again, the Muslim communities are among the most law-abiding and industrious of all British citizens.

You have said it over and over again but never once supported it with any facts.
They are in fact significantly over-represented in the prison population and the gap is widening.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 07:49 AM

Malmö, Sweden's third largest city, where one quarter of the population is Muslim, is another Muslim stronghold in Sweden where the fire department and emergency workers no longer enter Muslim immigrants' areas without police protection.

When two Swedes, one a community leader, were to visit Malmö to examine the situation on the ground, they both said it was too risky to go.

Mr. S., a Palestinian living in Malmö, arrived in Sweden as a refugee fleeing the Jordanian intelligence service two decades ago. He said, "I am a true Muslim. My wife wears hijab, I appreciate this country, and I just want to make a living but those Islamist crazies won't leave us alone. They say they support jihad, they deal drugs, they get drunk and harass women. At the same time, they look down on me because I have Christian Swedish friends. They threatened my eldest son; they said his friends are white non-Muslim Swedes. I swear to Allah, sometimes I feel I am not living in Malmö but in Afghanistan."

"My daughter does not wear hijab," he added. "She has blonde hair and could easily pass for a Swede, therefore the minute she leaves the house, the local Muslim men start harassing her, thinking she is a native Swede. They think of Swedish girls as easy and prostitutes. When I confront these men harassing my daughter, they bluntly tell me they thought she was a Swede and they would have not harassed her if they had known she was a Muslim. Tell me what should I do now? Cut my daughter's hair? Force her to wear hijab? Now I understand how Swedes feel about us Muslims harassing their sisters and daughters."

Another Palestinian, a college professor, who lives in a small town in northern Sweden, said, "I am religious, but I cannot accept what the Muslim fundamentalists have been doing to this country. I have had job offers to teach at major Swedish cities, but instead chose to go to a remote town where I would not have to see fundamentalist immigrants. Our people are playing with fire. The Swedes are very polite and tolerant by nature, but I doubt they can take the Islamic provocation of this country much longer. I am not sure what will happen, but I would not be surprised if one day Sweden bans immigration from all Arab and Muslim countries."

Mudar Zahran

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 08:02 AM

"Never once witnessed a beheading in Southall or Balham, or along Merton Road" - Jim Carroll

Ooooh that was a slip Christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Mullah Musket
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 08:23 AM

I used to have an Austin 1100.

Well, the log book said it was a Morris 1100, but the dashboard certainly came from an Austin because it had the red ticker tape speedo. The rocker cover was Vanden Plas. Dunno about the bodywork. there were very few areas where a magnet could stay attached if truth be known.

I bought it at an auction in 1981. I bid £20.00 but it failed to meet a reserve. The auction house had me speak with the owner and we agreed £25.00 to allow him to pay the commission and still get a pint out of it.

Lasted me till 1983, so it wasn't that bad. It tended to point towards Mecca a lot, but that was possibly due to worn bushings and bad tracking. It got stolen once, and after a fortnight, the insurance were all ready to cough up their estimate of value, (£300.00.) I was getting all excited when I had a call from PC Plod. It had turned up.

Bugger..

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 09:47 AM

"are a serious threat and it is foolish to think the "spooks" are lying to you about it"
THe security services have listed elected politicians, trades union leaders (especially miners leaders), writes, journalists, civil rights campaigners, peace demonstrators.... vitually anybody vaguely left of rightist politics, as "security risks".
They have bugged their homes and opened their mail - may have 'security' records.
Anyone inciting violence and hatred should be a 'security risk' - including hate merchants like you and yours - only too often they/you aren't
It's all immaterial anyway - oyu and your smutty friends have consistently attempted to implicate "all Muslims" in terror and claimed that it is their religion or their cultural background (in your case by "cultural implants")
That is the world of the B.N.P. Muslim Watch, and all the other scum-buckets whose views you echo - not any security service I am aware of.
Of course potential terrorists should be detected and dealt with - many of them should be forced to share a cell with you and yours.
"They are in fact significantly over-represented in the prison population and the gap is widening.
The rise in the number of Muslims in British prisons has not been discussed at any great length but much of it has been put down to young Asian men's disillusionment with their treatment
Blacks and Asians in Britain are six times as likely to be stopped and searched by the police and there has been a rise in hate crimes against Asians
Muslim communities remain the most trouble-free and law abiding in Britain - law breaker face ostracisation within the communities when found committing criminal acts
This is what Cameron had to say about the Muslim communities in Britain
CAMERON
On the other hand, Anti Muslim crmes are on the rise in Britain
CRIMES AGAINST MUSLIMS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 12:32 PM

So MI5 is wrong, and we should listen to you instead Jim.
We will have to agree to differ on that and I will leave it there.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 02:43 PM

"So MI5 is wrong, and we should listen to you instead Jim."
Some context:
Since 2001 there have been 4 Islamic terrorist attacks in Britain by Muslims and 4 terrorist aimed at Muslims
The vast majority of terrorist attacks have been attributed to the IRA
Those who went to fight Assad in Syria are now being counted as a terrorist threat, pretty much the same as those who went to fight in Spain were in the 1930s.
Those who fought in Syrian make up the majority of those suspected of being in favour of extremism
There are no figures to show how many of those suspected by MI5 are Muslins and how many support other causes, such as The Real IRA or racism.
Since 2001, there have been 470,678 racists identified attacks in Britain - an average of 130 per day; the vast majority of these have been on Muslims - there is no record of how many others have been reported as racist but not accepted as being such.
between 2007 and 2011 there been 87,000 reported racist incidents in British schools, an average of 130 per day.
One third of Britons questioned in surveys admitted that they hold and have openly expressed racist views - not a country that welcomes foreigners, you might say
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 02:44 PM

The C&P by bobad looks pretty suspicious to me. Even if it were true why would a true Muslim refer to people that deal drugs, get drunk and harass women as Muslims as well? The people he is referring to are just criminals of no particular religion.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 05:04 PM

23 pages of vitriolic denigration of a demographic which makes up a largely inoffensive and law abiding five percent of the total population, trying hard to equate the tiny proportion of that five percent who are suspected of being likely to commit acts of terror with the whole grouping.

And the basis for that mindset is 26 verses of their 6000 verse holy book which mention the word Jihad.

MtheGM in his increasingly paranoid rants, seems singularly unaware of the fact that, barring stupid incidents in which two mentally off beam idiots kill a soldier, exchanging their two lives for his one.

A pyrrhic victory, by any standards and they didn't even get to be martyrs.

What threat does MtheGM see from that tiny moronic fringe, to the country as a whole.

The UK is nothing like the USA. Even if M's fears were realised and the whole five percent revolted, with the lack of weaponry in this country, they wouldn't stand long against the army.

So all this is just calculated nastiness inspired by fear of the different.

If I believed in a God, I would pray for deliverance from all paranoid xenophobes, theirs and OURS!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 06:38 PM

What threat does MtheGM see from that tiny moronic fringe, to the country as a whole.

I would posit that there is a more substantial threat worldwide in the long run from members of thenot so tiny moronic fringe of which BooBad, MGM, Keith & Co. are representative.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 07:43 PM

If there is real terrorism in this world, then it must be most acutely felt by the hundreds of millions of innocent, peace-loving, hard-working Muslims who want nothing to do with that exceptionally tiny minority of nutters in their midst. They are the victims, not the smug westerners who see ever such a vague threat to their well-heeled, cosseted, oh so Christian lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 08:33 PM

The country in the world most faithful to the values of the Koran is Ireland according to an Iranian-born academic at George Washingon University in the US. Next are Denmark, Sweden and the UK.

In a BBC interview, Hossein Askari, Professor of International Business and International Affairs at George Washington University said a study by himself and colleague Dr Scheherazde S Rehman, also rates Israel (27) as being more compliant with the ideals of the Koran than any predominantly Muslim country.

Not a single majority Muslim country made the top 25 and no Arab country is in the top 50.

The Irish Times

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 09:05 PM

Great, Boo- according to one jackass who cites no evidence. Par for the course for your nugatory cut-n-pastes.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 10 Jun 14 - 09:41 PM

FOLLOWING the publication of a study which has declared Ireland 'the most Muslim country in the world', many Irish people are making the big switch to Islam.

Ireland, according to this latest study from George Washington University, is the country most faithful to the values of the Koran, putting the already uncertain future of the Catholic Church in Ireland in further doubt.

The switch, which is being welcomed by many senior figures within Islam in Ireland, will see Irish Catholics make huge savings. The Catholic Church's hidden fees and charges in relation to guilt and shame have given many food for thought.

"Ah it's great really, it's more convenient as there is a mosque close to me here and in fairness it's about time I read a new book," shared Clonskeagh resident Mark Chambers, just one of thousands of people now looking to Islam to be their main religious faith provider.

Following religious deregulation in Ireland, other faiths have been slow to enter the marketplace but now with this latest study Islam is set to make a big push for the Irish markets.

Some people are still smarting from the lengthy and corrupt process which saw the Catholic Church awarded the sole religious faith contract upon the signing of the constitution in 1937.

"Ah it's not much of a change for and kids but I think it's time for that switch," shared Mary Cronin, a mother of five, "they have Ramadan, we have Lent. They go off to Mecca, I sent my aunty Joan to Lourdes last year for her gammy toe. We'll hardly notice the difference but the Catholic Church's customer service is just appalling, ya know?"

However, some were weary of changing religious providers. "I haven't read the small print in the contract but I heard someone say that if you cancel your contract with Islam, they give you a Fatwa? Like how would that effect my credit rating with the banks?" inquired a puzzled Cillian Ruan.

Irish people who have already made the big switch listed among their reasons for changing was the fact they would now be the best at Islam rather than the worst at Catholicism.

The Catholic Church are already working hard to try and retain their numbers with new initiatives such as upgrading women to second class citizens, a 24-hour confession service and offering all masses in 3D.

WW News

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 01:52 AM

"Malmö, Sweden's third largest city"
"THE MOST RACIST COUNTRY IN EUROPE"
Racism and xenophobia have been reported and investigated in Sweden.[1] According to the European Network Against Racism, skin color, ethnic/religious background have significant impact on an individual's opportunities in the labor market, affecting mainly Roma, Blacks, Muslims and Jews.[2] Some ethnic minorities, especially Jews, are also at larger risk to face threats and violence.[3]
Further information: Islamophobia
The report Racism and Xenophobia in Sweden by the Board of Integration state that Muslims are exposed to the most religious harassment in Sweden. Almost 40% of the interviewed said they had witnessed verbal abuse directed at Muslims.[4]
Sweden is home to several white supremacist and neo-Nazi organizations, including:
Legion Wasa
Swedish Resistance Movement
Former organizations include:
National Socialist Front
White Aryan Resistance
Antisemitism[edit]
After Germany and Austria, Sweden has the highest rate of antisemitic incidents in Europe, though the Netherlands reports a higher rate of antisemitism in some years.[5] A government study in 2006 estimated that 15% of Swedes agree with the statement: "The Jews have too much influence in the world today".[6] 5% of the total adult population and 39% of adult Muslims "harbour systematic antisemitic views".[6] The former prime minister Göran Persson described these results as "surprising and terrifying". However, the rabbi of Stockholm's Orthodox Jewish community, Meir Horden, said that "It's not true to say that the Swedes are anti-Semitic. Some of them are hostile to Israel because of the military occupation and oppression of Palestinian territories."[7]
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 01:53 AM

"The country in the world most faithful to the values of the Koran is Ireland"

Halal Guinness anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 02:42 AM

"Most faithful to the values". What does that even mean? What are the values of the Koran? Any different to the values of the Bible? Both parts? What a set of weasel words.

Like the WW News article though, bobad. :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 02:47 AM

Actually - After re-reading the article I realise that Professor Askari is talking sense. He is pointing out that the ideal of Islam is more like the free western countries than the oppressive regimes that incubate the radicalism.

Bobads selective C&P are the weasel words, not the professors.

Bad Bobad.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:05 AM

There seems to be an opinion floating that normal law abiding citizens who contribute to society are terrorist sleepers if they get together and pray on a Friday but not if they get together and pray on a Sunday.

The nearest I know to under cover Muslims is a bloke I used to work with who enjoyed a pint and was rather partial to bacon butties. It wasn't so much that he was boutique pick n mix, although he evidently was, but that he could recite a get out clause from The Holy Q'ran that said in the land of the infidel, you can lapse to blend in and be accepted.

Presumably that's how our Christians get to eat pork and prawns, though having never been one, I am not the best suited to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:17 AM

The "nearest that Musket knows" eh?

Well, there now; everybody knows that "Musket" is simply one of the pseudonyms of The Lord God Almighty: so there is conclusive; absolutely world-shattering, forever-settling, totally incontrovertible....

☺☺ ☻☻ ☠☠ 〠〠 teeheeheeheehee. He really is a caution, innit!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:28 AM

Huffingtom Posts last month.
"In a letter to The Times (£), General al-Basheer, chief of staff of the supreme military council, the commanding body of the rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA), said the "majority" of foreign ISIS fighters were from the UK, with others from France, Germany and Belgium.
He said: "We, the Syrian people now experience beheadings, crucifixions, beatings, murders, outdated methods of treating women, an obsolete approach to governing society. Many who participate in these activities are British."


This is the group that is taking control of large parts of Iraq including major cities, as well as Syria, and is said to threaten the whole region.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:35 AM

And you reckon I'm 'ranting', do you?, Mr I-Forget-Which-½wit-Said-It.

In your dreams. If I wanted to rant, believe me you'd know you were being ranted at. Sweetest of sweet reason is all you've had from me so far.

Still OK OK OK yes yes yes. So go on walking complacently right into your own, and the world's, destruction, you self-satisfied lot of oh-so-right-thinking bores. It's only happening in Riyadh & Lahore & Kano and not in Bradford or Birmingham or Leicester yet so that's all right then...

Hope you all enjoy the ummah when it comes. The oh-such-fun public beheadings and stonings and canings...

Have fun ~~

I won't be there...

☠~M~☠

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:46 AM

First kneeling on the block if there is a God...

Amazon sell Islam proof shelters you can build in your garden to protect you in the eventuality of Islam.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 06:03 AM

Naming Europe's New Anti-Semitism

Europeans are reluctant to describe the Brussels museum shooting as an anti-Semitic hate crime. It's time to end this dangerous state of denial.

"And where are the imams?

Where are the young Muslims of whom we never tire of saying that they have nothing to do with this nasty business?

What do the imams need to happen before forcefully condemning, once and for all, the insult to the Koran, the blasphemy, that is the act attributed to Nemmouche?

And what do young Muslims need to hear before organizing, rising up in protest, and, one would hope, chanting with one voice, "We are all Brussels Jews in danger of being killed"?"

Bernard-Henri Lévy The Daily Beast

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 07:31 AM

Remember the speech that instigated this thread, about militant Islam being the greatest threat to world peace?

BBC today.
Middle East newspapers are horrified by the fall of Iraq's second largest city, Mosul, to the jihadist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIS), known pejoratively in Arabic as "Daesh".
Some commentators believe that if nothing is done Iraq may be destroyed, with serious consequences for the region.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 08:14 AM

Some commentators were saying that before Rambo and his stupid mates dived in a few years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 09:07 AM

You (intentionally?) miss Keith's point, Ian.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 09:41 AM

The Independent, March 2014

"The plea from the (ISIS)rebel fighter comes as UK authorities are becoming increasingly concerned at the number of British citizens travelling to Syria to join extremist groups in the three year old civil war. British and other non-Syrians travelling to Syria tend to gravitate towards al-Qa'ida-type groups that espouse global jihad.

The total number of British participants in the conflict is estimated to be in the "hundreds", with as many as 20 thought to have died in the fighting. Charles Farr, the Home Office's terror chief, warned recently that Brits travelling to Syria represented the "the biggest challenge" to the security services since the 2001 Twin Tower attacks"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/british-fighters-in-syria-urge-others-to-join-them-9205428.html

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 09:53 AM

Look.

1. The equation of Islam and Islamic with Islamist is defective.

2. Islamist atrocities abound.

3. Parts of Sharia law are offensive - but are seldom applied outside primitive states.

4. It's a lawyer's job to help his client achieve the result the client wants (by lawful means) and drafting wills to achieve an effect that conforms to Sharia law may be part of that objective, but many parts of Sharia inheritance law would be ineffective if challenged in a UK court pursuant to the Inheritance (Provision for Family and Dependants) Act 1975. Similarly family law, to an extent, must match English standards.

5. Did you know that vibrators are haram (certainly in the case of internal use and maybe more generically)? That's most upsetting!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 10:41 AM

Re your point 1, Richard: it is the Islamists, not any of us, who claim to 'equate' them; so better take your objections to the 'equation' up with them, hadn't you?, and see where it gets you.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 12:55 PM

Sounds about par for the course!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 02:55 PM

"To criticize a person for their race is manifestly irrational and ridiculous, but to criticize their religion, that is a right. That is a freedom. The freedom to criticize ideas, any ideas - even if they are sincerely held beliefs - is one of the fundamental freedoms of society. A law which attempts to say you can criticize and ridicule ideas as long as they are not religious ideas is a very peculiar law indeed.

It all points to the promotion of the idea that there should be a right not to be offended. But in my view the right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended. The right to ridicule is far more important to society than any right not to be ridiculed because one in my view represents openness - and the other represents oppression"

― Rowan Atkinson

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:02 PM

Looks like the Islamists have taken Sirte, Saddam's home town and are moving to take Baghdad.....Looks like Michael has been bang on the button.
The Iraqi Army "melted away", after all the money we spent to train them....Crocodile tears from President Obama's administration, but re-engagement is out of the question.

Soon everyone will be asking "why did we kill Gadaffi?"
"why didn't we support Assad?"

But as Michael has said, "its too late now"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:07 PM

My post of 12:55pm, was in response to an obscene post from Ian which has subsequently removed.....could someone kindly remove my response.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:10 PM

Three posts back, Musket's protest at having a post deleted because it contained the word "cunt" has now in its turn been deleted. All will know that my exchanges on this forum with Musket are not invariably of the most affable; but I must ask what the hell is going on here. I myself forswore the use of objectionable, so-called after the Lady Chat Trial all those years ago, "4-letter words", as being rude and counterproductive and manifesting weakness rather than strength in argument. But they have, till now, unquestionably been part of everyday life & everyday posting on this forum.

Who has suddenly decided they are no longer acceptable? And why? Whoever this somewhat prim mod is had better go back over years-and-years-and-years-worth of threads & see how much he/she will be called on to delete in the interests of consistency! Won't be an awful lot left, I suspect.

Lovers of freedom cry --- "Bring back Musket's 'cunts'!"

And if this post gets deleted, I shall scream the house down!

~Michael~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:32 PM

I think there have been too many C***s already?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 03:40 PM

I like cunts.

MtheGM, it is your posts, and those of your small coterie of followers, Teribillus, Akenhateon, KeiththeA, B-O-bad and Juicy Brucie, who persist in implying that ordinary Muslims are somehow similar to Islamists. You will find, if you bother to think, that the Islamists, while asserting that theirs is the true voice of Islam, also assert that non-militant Muslims (the vast majority) verge on apostasy or at least delinquency.

That implication of yours is the worldview that serves to radicalise non-radical Muslims. By all means defend against - indeed go on the offensive against - the Islamists, but not because of their religion, but their atrocities. Tarring my dentist, who goes by the name "Sharon" to make life easier for her dimmer patients, with the same brush will be counterproductive. I forgive her for prescribing metronidazole for my duff teeth as a first choice if I have a really boozy festival planned.

Curious that no-one seems to care whether vibrators are haram or not. I'd have thought it was a vital social distinction these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 04:53 PM

I have never implied that ordinary Muslims are similar to Islamists.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 04:59 PM

Nor have you implied that they're dissimilar.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 05:15 PM

Aw Greg, yer such a sap....that's why I loves ya.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 11 Jun 14 - 07:00 PM

Actually, most of the people Richard so cutesily names in his post go out of their way to make the distinction between ordinary Muslims and Islamists. It seems to me that the ones who do not are the usual cabal who get their woodies from belittling and name calling those with whom they disagree. Janie had them pegged pretty accurately in the now deleted thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Jun 14 - 03:17 AM

Come on Richard, surely even an old legal dinosaur like you can tell the difference in using the word as a term of abuse and liking women.

It is grave insult to women everywhere, very disrespectful, they do not deserve to be defined by one organ of reproduction.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 12 Jun 14 - 03:30 AM

I wasn't defining women by a sexual organ. I was defining Keith by a term of reference.

D H Lawrence and I have a shared heritage to protect.

I think the moderators aren't too happy when I describe said term of reference in terms of density.

Anyway, it is a term of endearment surely? After all, you'd never see me offering Akenaton similar jocular names? The thought of his odious views as represented on this website being shared by anybody who wishes to be taken seriously isn't one I would happily contemplate.

Keith however is just daft as a brush, and it's rather funny to goad him. Some of the things he comes out with make up for his lack of debating skills.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jun 14 - 03:51 AM

Actually, Ian: Keith is ten times the debater you will ever be. You show a glimmer of intelligence now & again; but can never resist undermining with some sort of smartarse crack or childish challenging-the-grown-ups naughty word. Keith, OTOH, selects a line of argument and sticks to it resolutely, without FWIW any recourse to what are generally regarded as obscene modes of expression. You really have nothing to patronise him about, believe me! Boot firmly on other foot... Only perhaps you are after all too thick to see it?

~M~