BS: scottish independence

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 07:56 AM

Some time between 6.30pm and 8.30pm yesterday evening a Sky News reporter showing pictures of GEORGE SQUARE, GLASGOW. stated the following:---"At 6pm this evening 2000 loyal unionist supporters entered George Square from the West side and proceded to harass and itimidate anyone wearing a yes badge or saltire, they have now {sorry I cannot give you an exact time as I do not own a watch and have no clock in this area] cleared all these people through rhe South East corner of the square in full view of the police who are here in not incosiderable numbers."
All you clever chaps who post here can no doubt retrieve this report on your gadgets and check the veracity of my report.
PS--One other reporter stated that the unionist mob were predominantly orange lodge members and that they, the press, had prior warning that this organized display of naked agression would take place no matter what the outcome of the vote.
PPS-- How did the reporters know they were all loyal unionest supporters? The were certainly dressed for the part and as mentioned above prior notice seems to have been given to the press.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Thompson
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 08:11 AM

According to a Channel 4 reporter, Alex, Thomas, quoted in The Independent, people were chanting "Rule Britannia" and "God Save the Queen", while making Nazi-style salutes.
These would presumably be in favour of a No vote.
I haven't seen any Orange sashes in pictures of the riots, not that I've looked at many.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 08:37 AM

Sectarianism is a curse in Scotland, it is cynically used by UK politicians.....it is a huge power block, and when allied to selfish wealthy pensioners, English "carpetbaggers" etc, our young people have NO chance.
Salmond was a giant amongst pygmies, we have no one left with the guts to challenge the status quo....I don't blame him for finally throwing in the towel, those who did best out of the SNP Scottish government have voted against him and FOR their selfish interests.

What now for Scotland? Twenty years of UKIP TORY coalition government

....and the punishment!!    There are no votes here for the government which will be elected.....our weapons have been spiked by those who voted NO......We have no viable leader.

Get ready to suffer......or get ready to resist!

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 10:17 AM

A contact in the newspaper industry informs me that the TV reports of extreme unionist groups attempts to stir up riots in Glasgow are confirmed by a two page article in the Sun newspaper.

He also tells me that the authorities are trying to keep an attempt by these vile people to set fire to the Herald newspaper building under raps. The Sunday Herald being the only paper to have openly supported the YES side.
The Scotsman Newspaper is of course owned by those friends of the people the Barclay brothers.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 11:24 AM

Find it entertaining that there have been concurrent independence movements in Caledonia and Catalonia.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 11:46 AM

Interesting interviews, that may be related to the OP:

Interestingly, the Canadian Prime Minister during the Quebec independence vote says he was consulted on his experience prior to the Scottish vote.

The former Priemier of Quebec, (following the Quebec vote to remain in Canada) also provides his post vote experience. He predicts another Scottish vote within 10 years. He indicates that after the Quebec vote, the separatists refered to those who saw things differently as scared of tge consequences or did not understanding the vote itself. There was also attempts to the say that the other side used dirty tricks to scare the voters into remaining in the union. Oddly, he says those wishing to remain now say "fuck off, separatists, we undederstood what we voted for, we are nit stupid, were not scared of any threats- and, we want to remain in the union and merely see things differently than the separatists do".

On The post Quebec vote 

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 01:18 PM

Ed T.
In this case, from what has been taking place so far, it is the winners who are trying to stir up riots etc. for their own ends.

These people never got over the fact that when in recent years they staged riots in the South East of England and other parts of that land their efforts to export these to these parts were treated with the contempt they deserved, they should have learned the lesson given to the English football hooligans shown them by the good conduct of their Scottish neighbours who in foreign parts made a coscious effort to be good ambassadors for their country.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 01:35 PM

"In this case, from what has been taking place so far, it is the winners who are trying to stir up riots etc. for their own ends."

No.

It is an extremely tiny number of mindless thugs using the result of the Referendum as an excuse to indulge their thuggery.

The vast majority of 'No' voters want no part in it.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 02:54 PM

Hi Guest Gutcher

<" good conduct of their Scottish neighbours who in foreign parts made a coscious effort to be good ambassadors for their country.">

Maybe recently in foreign countries but here in England we have witnessed mindless violence. I live near Manchester and remember the hooligans that ran riot in the City in 2008.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_UEFA_Cup_Final_riots.

No doubt many of these voted YES on Thursday.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 03:10 PM

"No doubt many of these voted YES on Thursday."

I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic, MikeL2.
If not, (and I assume you are referring to Rangers riotous visit to Manchester),you are totally oblivious to the well-documented referendum leanings of their support.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 03:10 PM

Akenaton just said "get ready to resist."

Obviously the will of the Scottish people isn't to his liking. He could always leave of course if Scotland and Scottish values aren't good enough for him. He would just get in the way of those living there and those of us investing in Scotland.

Resist? Enough criminals roaming around Glasgow without him pretending to join in. This is what SNP caused. I hope the divided society they encourage is to their pathetic liking.

Luckily the violence is playing to the crowd by thugs with nationalistic ideas for excuses for violence on both sides. By Monday the press egging them on will have found a better story for the pack to follow. People wanting a better society will be starting to see how it will work out by Monday now this silly independence distraction is out of the way.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 03:39 PM

Gutcher, I dont think Quebec's Cherest was refering to the few radicals/troublemakers on either sude. What he refered to was the political movement.

His experience (from what I gathered) was that the Quebec separatists viewed a close loss as a win, choosing to look down on the intelligence of those who wanted to continue to be part of a union, and seeing all those voting for separation as intelligent, (and knowing what they voted for). While this is an odd and unreasonable viewpoint-sometimes followers on the extreme edge of a movement have extreme tunnel vision.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 03:42 PM

How right you are Sol.
One has only to check out the bedfellows of RFC---the LOL who certainly were involved in the disgracefull scenes in Glasgow on Friday evening. All news programs on TV with the exception of the BBC made it clear who were the aggresors, the BBC showed pictures on their site which were taken from their archives of the riots in the South, these show policemen in body armour, no Scottish policeman was equiped with body armour at this incident. Check out the many images recorded by other outlets.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 20 Sep 14 - 07:42 PM

That's on a level with moon landings in Arizona and Prince Philip arranging Di's car crash.

As I said. The Scottish people voted no by a clear majority so stop linking them with one half of a few thugs putting on a sealed knot style punch up for the cameras and linking it to a conspiracy. Sounds like a normal night in Glasgow but without the sectarian excuse for once.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 08:30 AM

Hi Gutcher

<" I sincerely hope you are being sarcastic, MikeL2.">

No I was not being sarcastic. I was there on that terrible night and saw for myself the trouble both before, during and after the fans were repulsed by the police.

I cannot believe that the hundreds I saw involved have now completely changed character.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 11:34 AM

The events recorded on Friday evening in Glasgow show just who are the real and vile "nationalists"
The press and media cover since then, with the exception of our beloved BBC, always keeping in mind that no section of the media were in favour of a yes vote, have come out strongly with the facts that a well organized gang of thugs numbering up to 2000 with prominent union and other insignia proclaiming them to be of the NO persuation proceded to terrorised and intimidate a small[ in relation to their numbers] number of mainly young people who had been in the square for some time having a peaceful singaround. This gives us a glimpse of the damage to our national reputation by organisations whose proclaimed loyalties are shared by only a small part of our population. Indeed I understand that the supporters of Glasgow Rangers Football Club are known colloqually as "huns" this showing the average Scotsmans contempt for them.

My journalist friend informs me that the TV company Al Jazeera in showing these images of union jack wrapped thugs to the world implied that the imperial/colonial mindset still prevails in this country.

Sneer as much as you like but a prayer to whatever gods you believe in would not go amiss as the ticking timebomb, especially in the Southern part of this Island, may at any time be ignited.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 02:15 PM

If you think any of the violence is pro anything you obviously think at the same level as the thugs and yobbos. Not to mention it takes two to tango.

Meanwhile Salmond shows his true colours by lying about Westminster commitments before parliament has even debated. If anybody is wanting violence it is the traitor who can't get what he wants from the ballot box so stirs up trouble instead.

You don't have any mates at any TV station so stop showing off and pretending you are impressive. Most here are intelligent. You aren't in the pub now you know.

Scotland has spoken.

Move on

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 03:28 PM

i'm sure there is no real political link between the people causing trouble the other night and any of the mainstream political parties - other than far-right / fascist groups of course.
i hope that when the government fail to deliver on their promises made to secure a 'no' vote that the 'yes' group will prove to be far from defeated. it just takes some of us (and particularly us english) a bit longer than others to understand the true nature of the establishment beast. they are just incapable of delivering any kind of 'Vow' to make things better for any but their own friends. i'm greatly encouraged by the enthusiastic atmosphere of my most recent trip to glasgow - we can all do better than what we have become used to - stay hopeful, comrades!

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 05:27 PM

Cant agree with you there Achmelvich, to link between sectarianism and Unionism was always going to be an impediment to independence.
I've lived on the West coast all my life, and there are many of the older generation who were been brought up on sectarianism.
The UK parties used it shamelessly in local politics.
I have been talking to people who were in George Square and who were attacked by thousands of Unionist thugs, including a couple of hundred EDL supporters from England.
Compared to the optimism and positivity of the pro independence young folks, Unionism has a really nasty stink and the youth of Scotland didn't like it

Alex Salmond is right to protest the tactics of the NO campaign, making promises which they have no intention of fulfilling.

There was never any way that the other countries would countenance more powers for Scotland, so now Cameron is trying to link Powers for Scotland, to powers for the regions......lying arseholes.
I have no doubt the lies fooled many into voting NO.

Interesting talk in political circles of Scotland going for UDI if the UK leaves the EU.....or does not follow up on its promise of "Devo-max"

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 21 Sep 14 - 08:38 PM

What did amuse me was Salmond quoting from Scott's Bonnie Dundee as his future course. You can just see him on a warhorse galloping out of the West Gate on the way to the Airport...
That's the problem with quoting from the Victorian romantics, they miss some important bits out - like John Graham being not just the first Jacobite leader, but also and foremost a firm and unbudging Tory. The song refers to an incident of 18th March 1689, which was soon followed by letters from him protesting that he was living peaceably at home and not in revolt. The rest of Claverhouse' tale was being chased around Scotland until he was able to face the Orange troops at Killiekrankie, where he met his end, within the year.
So if that's Salmond's expectations, well then, Cameron will be well satisfied, I would think.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 02:11 AM

Akenaton - "Get ready to resist"

Akenaton - "Scotland going for UDI if the UK leaves the EU"

So much for your respect for the democratically demonstrated voice of the electorate of Scotland Ake - remember the ones who voted and who you said on this thread you'd listen to and abide by their decision? - They voted NO to independence - live with it.

Scotland settles it's differences quietly and peacefully - there are some here who would apparently love to fan the flames and see things played out as they are elsewhere with terrorist attacks and bombs - ain't going to happen.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 02:46 AM

The true voice of a nation is, by definition the majority of those living in it.

The United Kingdom owns the Saltaire, some of our less savoury contributors seem to have replaced it with satire.

Two million unionist thugs eh? Ooh dearie me. They'll have you wearing a tartan star on your coat next eh?

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 03:09 AM

Come on Teribus, who said any thing about flames and bombs? There are many quiet and peaceful ways of "resisting".

I am sure you agree that the promise of what amounts to devo-max, influenced many to vote NO late in the day......If Cameron is about to backtrack on this promise, it could bring the way the result was achieved into dispute.

I am personally against membership of the present EU, and don't think it coincides with real independence, but if the UK decides to leave next year, against the wishes of the majority of Scottish voters, that would certainly open up constitutional problems.

Regarding Unionist thugs, there is a layer of "Unionism" in Scotland which is extremely unhealthy.....The Queen and the "flag" have always been the insignia of a large anti Catholic, Unionist minority.

There is where you must look for your "flames and bombs" Mr T....and I will be right beside you to stamp them out.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 03:45 AM

If a clear majority of The UK votes anything, there is nothing constitutionally difficult. Scotland has made it perfectly clear that it is a brick in the UK wall.

That said, the clear message that small is not the way forward will possibly send a message in itself to the eurosceptics. I sincerely hope so. Just the possibility of the few counties in the extreme north of our country buggering off caused markets to fall so the thought of leaving our major trading partners could do irreparable harm.

Scotland has always had a sectarian undertone in some areas and this is being replaced temporarily by Salmond's diversion. I just hope he is proud. He has already showed himself to be a sore loser.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,Patrick
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 04:35 AM

This is only a delay on the road to Independence, taking a similar route to devolution., one mighty step forward, waiting for Westminster to default and then surging onwards. By 2020 Scotland will be independent, if not sooner.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 05:31 AM

There are absolutely NO statistics to prove that the late promises, or "The Vow" persuaded people to vote No. Many who voted either way made their minds up months in advance of the polling date, and had posted their votes well before all the events of the final week, so could not be influenced by all that rhetoric. I think it was approx 20% of voters had a postal vote.
Sure, there was a poll (a sample, who's to say if it was representative?) showing a largish percentage of people were still undecided only a week or so before the vote. But there is still NO sound statistical proof that the activities of Cameron, Darling and Brown drove people into the No camp: one could equally argue that it was their activities, or the later speeches of Salmond and Sturgeon persuaded people to vote Yes.......or it might just have been down to whoever had the best sales pitch at the polling station. ("Every time Cameron opens his mouth, it's another yes vote" was a popular belief"!)

The whole campaign has been beset by false claims on both sides, and these now continue in the aftermath. And now they have the cheek to blame the over-65s No voters: we ALL have loose screws, lost marbles, advancing dementia, according to some sources.
It has been a wake-up call for Westminster, so let's keep up the pressure for change. And let's not lose friends over it.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 05:34 AM

"Huns" is an abusive sectarian term for Protestants, originating in Northern Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 05:45 AM

Ah, but that was always the Scots way, not giving a tinker's toss about anyone else. Put all your egocentrics in one basket and what do you get? This refusal to cooperate or collaborate was the essence of Culloden, and they've not moved on significantly since.
It was the essence of the Yes case, presuming that RUK would give them everything they wanted (currency, pensions, NHS, you name it) just because they were so charming, believing in the Victorian myth. What Vickie was responsible for in her excessive romanticism, all the Germanic Christmas guff and Scottish Hogmanay BS. The thing I most resent the Yes bunch for is that we still have no excuse for getting rid of the JH Hootnanny at the end of the year - the rest can keep, I'd still vote Yes if we were given the same voice in the South. The pipes are fine instruments, but not in that context.
What did the Scots do before 1788, when Burns wrote that bloody poem? They spend the year knocking the shit out of each other and suddenly some twat stuffs something mawkish and false down everyone's throats suggesting we love each other after all. It's about the same time as the GHB appears on the scene - what were they thinking of? The 1746 Dress Act banning the wearing of highland dress and tartan had been repealed in 1782, and perhaps Burns was trying to appeal to the Jacobite spirit - in which case, stop trying to ram treason down English throats more than 350 years after we discovered the Union was il-advised. The Stuarts took a bare 40 years to make themselves and their Scotish brethren unwelcome at the start of the 17th Century, and are still playing the same con games 400 years later.
This surely was the reason the English weren't allowed a vote either - we'd probably have voted far more heavily to separate, according to the figures we now see.
When the only reason to stay together is a fiction, then it's a sad state of affairs. This is of course the problem Cameron and company have just discovered, the wheels just fell off the fabulation, England wants fair treatment. This time, I think UKIP just might be able to break through: the essence of the problem was generated by NuLab, acting without a sense of consequences, and Cameron has just scored zero for picking up the pieces afterwards.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 06:04 AM

A delay?

Force the Scottish people into something they rejected?

And here was me thinking we were debating with people who cared for Scotland and cared for its people, however misguided or ignorant they are...

You can't beat democracy. In fact quite a few British men fought and died to save Europe from attitudes such as yours and Akenaton's, thinking you know what is best for people. Akenaton even has his list of his idea of untermensch. Mainly gays, gypsies, liberals...

Listen to yourselves. If the Scottish people were as thick as you assumed they were, you would have said everybody has to respect the vote.

Respect it, and ask yourself why, instead of blaming Westminster for everything, many of the issues SNP raised have been in their power to address for a long time now. The Scottish parliament, not Westminster has made the situation idiots blame others for..

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 06:23 AM

Tattie Bogle has perhaps posted the best response I have seen yet, a few posts above.

Thank you sir.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Teribus
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 07:00 AM

Devo-max as it is worked out and delivered brings with it it's own set of responsibilities Ake.

Once these "additional powers" are doled out then it will be incumbent upon those third-rate wasters who sit in the Scottish Parliament to use them - the one thing they will not be able to do (As Jowly Eck & Co have done since 2007) is to sit back and heap all blame on "Westminster". To sort out problems in Scotland under these "additional powers" the party in Government may find itself having to face reality and actually order the cutting of services and increasing taxes which may make them unpopular - but there again Akenaton governing a country has never been about popularity it has always been about doing the right thing for the country as a whole - a thing modern day "professional politicians" seem increasingly incapable of doing - all they care about is getting elected and staying in power - and that does require "popularity" - doesn't do the country any good though.

The UDI thing is typical Alex Salmond bluster, poorly thought out, baseless, twaddle. The whole of the electorate of the British Isles will vote in the Referendum on the EU and believe me those wishing to escape the clutches of rule by the selected Commissioners of the EU, will not make the same mistakes that Salmond, Sturgeon, the SNP and the YES-Campaign made - they will do their homework and they will have detailed answers worked out to all the difficult questions their representative will asked.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 07:08 AM

IMO, minimizing the meaning a democratic vote falls under the heading of "sore loser".

If one were to make a claim that a percentage of those voting "no" did not know what they doing, it is just as reasonable to assume that a similar number on the "yes" voted similarly. So, excluding both groups from the final results leaves one with the same majority vote of intelligent folks voting for the no side, for whatever reason was important to them.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 08:18 AM

Fine thoughtful response Mr T.
Personal responsibility will be one of the positives to come with independence.

Nae feer eh you and me bein' enemies Tattie, nae maiter how ye vote.
Too much watter unner the bridge.....eh?    :0)

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Ed T
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 08:44 AM

""Personal responsibility" comes from a broad spectrum of sources and outcomes. Some folks work hard to maintain an illusion that they are immersed in such (and few others are). Combined with compassion, together they provide good building blocks for respecting others, including their perspectives, aspirations and life choices-whether they be similar or otherwise.

Children have narrow vision, which is replaced with a broader viewpoints as they mature. Where it doesn't provides furtile ground for anger, bitterness and intolerance -sometimes towards others who do not see things (and life choices) as they do, or choose lifestyles as they have.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 09:18 AM

What's all this about personal responsibility will come with independence?

Get someone to read a newspaper to you. Scotland wishes to remain an important section of The United Kingdom. Personal responsibility has been displayed in the decisive group responsibility in deciding economic and social stability has more to offer than some Mel Gibson charactature after too many cans of Special Brew.

So far as predictions go, I appear to have backed the right horse. No surprise there. I invest in Scotland as much for level headed pragmatism of business dealings there as I do for a kilt fetish.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 11:40 AM

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 12:20 PM

Ah, but it wasn't a democratic vote. I'm in England and nobody asked me to vote on something affecting me, contrary to Article 41.2 of the European Charter of Fundamental Rights. There are Scots all over the world who didn't get a vote, whereas I am told illegal immigrants north on the border did.

The current proposals on the table about the English devolution right is equally unprincipled, insofar as the English MPs draft the Law but the Scottish ones still get to vote on it. See the discrepancy? Scotland still gets it both ways, England doesn't vote on kicking them out but they get to vote on our autonomy. How offensive is that?

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 01:01 PM

Greetings all
As one who is not thirled to a computer keyboard please excuse the delay in replying to our sneering poster.
He makes the claim that most of the people on this forum are intelligent and then proceeds to spout a parcel of lies thus insulting that intelligence. I would normally treat his posts with the contempt they deserve, however in the interests of trueth his post of 21.9.14 at 2.15pm requires an answer.

At no point did I claim my journalist friend was a TV reporter although he has appeared on that medium, his various degrees include a 1st from Oxford. As an Ulsterman living in Scotland he has supported the No side in this referendum so any information emminating from him can be treated as correct. If I did not know the mindset of the poster from the tenor of his posts I could give at least three Edinburgh University Academics and one American Professor as guarantors for my verasity.

Again he claims I have gleaned my information in a "Pub". This will of course cause some amusement to those who know me as I am a complete teetotalier and could count on the fingers of one hand the number of times that I have been in a "Pub" during the past two years, these visits have been for musical purposes only.

Need I continue, this sneering, bullyboy, boastfull character should be treated with nothing but contempt.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 01:12 PM

Amazing how conspiracy theorists try to claim some moral high ground and then reel off credentials...

You flatter yourself. I started with your absurd conspiracy theory then went on to generalise. If you know any chair at Edinburgh, possibly an aquaintence if they get anywhere near the medical school. I give three lectures a year there myself, plus one at each of the local Royal Colleges.

So, what have we learned? Err.. Fuck all actually.
💤

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 02:28 PM

Hi

Guest Gutcher <" I could give at least three Edinburgh University Academics and one American Professor as guarantors for my verasity.">

Great - don't you think it's great that someone who has such academic claims but can't spell the word veracity??

You've got to admit even if it is a typo it is still amusing.

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 02:32 PM

There are a couple of serial posters on this thread who are no more than petty, pompous agitators.
I'm out.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 22 Sep 14 - 04:13 PM

I thought you were going to say "I'm one."

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 03:07 AM

yes, musket, i'm fairly sure he was saying you are one (of them)

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 03:17 AM

The problem is, you can't have Mel Gibson have the last word on account of the fact the good people of Scotland have made it clear they are British and wish to remain so.

Serial poster? Sounds like someone complaining when bullshit is confronted. Perhaps our little people who don't like democracy can shut up, then this thread can slink into obscurity along with the wistful dreams of a charismatic dangerous fool.

🇬🇧

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 03:43 AM

The "dream", is no longer a dream.

SNP membership had doubled by over 20,000 since 18th of September.
The genie is out of the bottle, our young folk are incensed by the lies of Westminster and the hypocrisy of so called socialists and conservative parties banding together to subjugate one small country and deny it self determination.

Its only a matter of time now......Mr Salmond will not be leaving the stage, he will make mincemeat of the dithering liars and further boost SNP power in the next election.

This is one issue which will never "go away", no matter how much you would like it to, Ian.   However I suppose you worry about your property portfolio from down in the South?   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Teribus
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 03:57 AM

"Mr Salmond {wistful dreamer & erstwhile charismatic dangerous fool.} remarked that the referendum was a triumph for the democratic process and participation in politics, calling 'on all of Scotland to follow suit in accepting the democratic verdict of the people of Scotland.' The First Minister finished his speech saying: 'We shall go forward as one nation"

That was on Friday the 19th September

Before the week-end was over this complete and utter waste of space was muttering about Scotland declaring UDI - God this man Salmond is a national embarrassment.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Musket
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 05:31 AM

Presumably they will change the name of their party soon. Scotland rejected nationalism quite emphatically.

As I said. The day to day running of the country, if they weren't so incompetent at it is commendable. SNP are a liberal, inclusive, equality focused party who mean well for all. Even Salmond, for all his misty eyed history inspired nonsense has been a champion of minorities, pushed through legislation that puts all residents on an equal footing and was comfortable with being portrayed as a liberal.

My holiday lets.. Funny you should mention them. A surge in bookings since Friday. Seriously. From Easter to October next year, seven cottages have no free weeks at all. For the twelve months to end September 2015, I had 42% occupancy overall this time last week, and over the weekend and yesterday, that has risen to 69% overall. I need to book a couple of weeks in Kingussie quick before they are all taken.

No. I don't worry about my property portfolio. Holiday lets and student digs only in Scotland. Two markets that will never do too badly. I notice one of the holiday cottage agencies they are registered with has emailed past customers in The Netherlands saying the result means they can book their next holiday with confidence.

I thought that was rather funny..

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 07:11 AM

SNP membership is now standing at almost 45,000 just higher than Liberal membership figures for the whole of the UK!!

More than doubling in under one week......I reckon the penny has dropped, don't you ?

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: Howard Jones
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 08:02 AM

Although I will be sorry to see it happen, I do think that independence will eventually come. The biggest problem with this referendum was, to use use the marriage metaphor, one partner walking out of the door with nowhere to go. It was the uncertainty, coupled with Salmond's whitewashing of the crucial political and practical difficulties, that I think persuaded many to vote with the head, perhaps even if the heart said otherwise.

If a Scottish government could gain an irresistible mandate to negotiate independence then I think it would have to happen. The difficulties would have to be negotiated and thrashed out, and only then presented in a referendum so that people would know what they were actually voting for. Only in those circumstances do I think that independence might be obtained, and have a chance of working.

Subject: RE: BS: scottish independence
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 08:16 AM

Mikel 2. I made no claim to any academic prowess. The people mentioned are all personal friends two of whom I visit at their homes, my friend the American Professor being an exception he visiting my home on his annual visits to these parts.
If a spelling mistake of one letter is the best you can come up with you are easily amused and pretty shallow forbye.

To get back to that snivelling worm the pathological liar, take his post of 22.9.01.12.

"Amazing how conspiracy theorists try to claim some moral high ground and then reel of credentials"

In this thread I have pointed out that all the media, written and broadcast, with the exception of the BBC, clearly showed and stated who were the thugs, wrapped in the union flag in George Square, does this constitute a conspiracy theory, I think not and am sure that all who read and viewed these reports will agree with me.

PS--I understand that a spelling check is available on this machine. As one whose first language is not English, how do I access this function.