BS: David Cameron is execrable

Subject: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 08:39 AM

a big sod!

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Stu
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 09:33 AM

So are his cronies. Nasty, myopic corporate shills.

Foul folk.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 09:47 AM

I suspect most people agree with the above posts (myself included).
Alas, it only goes to show how unpopular Muppet Miliband & Numptie Nigel were during the G.E. that they lost to Cameron the Cringeworthy.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 10:51 AM

Unpopular because the Self-Servatives' campaign consisted of nothing more than smears and lies about Labour, the SNP, the cause(s) of the Financial Crash of 2008, and many other things.

They presented not one policy on which they themselves might be judged, and the feeble-minded of the electorate fell for it.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 11:31 AM

I have to add, totally off topic but musically, that this is my favorite use of the word Execrable anywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Rossey
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 12:02 PM

More upset with Iain Duncan Smith, persecuting the sick and disabled. There have already been suicides due to the pressure of fulfilling benefit conditions. Thee are now going to be many more due to further pursuing of sick and vulnerable people. The financial costs to the public will be even greater than the money saved by cracking down. How can any Christian sleep, knowing they are causing mentally and physically ill people -intolerable pressure which will end in their deaths?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 12:26 PM

" ... the feeble-minded of the electorate fell for it."

Sadly, I suspect they told the electorate what they wanted to hear.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 01:19 PM

And Labour failed to tell the electorate the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 01:22 PM

Correct, both of you.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 02:04 PM

Neither were believed unquestioningly.
Most people are not "feeble minded."

The op is a majority view here, but a minority view in the real world.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 02:06 PM

Labour party are limply over-apologetic and too afraid of upsetting the sensitivities of softer hearted tories
who they hope may once again be courted as potential labour voters..

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 02:34 PM

Wowzer! The supersophistication of the political philosophies embraced in this thread are just too much for my poor ickle brain. Off to watch Man-U play Bruges.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 03:16 PM

That tells all, Mike!

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 26 Aug 15 - 04:30 PM

the feeble-minded of the electorate fell for it.

I think that has to be the most repulsive statement I've ever seen on Mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 01:56 AM

each to his own...

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Mr Red
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:01 AM

IMNSHO it was uncertainty, the fragmented choices, fear of quadruple dip recession (think China right now) and ineffectual politicians.
The public, en mass, did what we all do faced with choice we can't resolve. Go with the familiar. In this case the incumbent. If we were flushed with money, generally, we would be more adventurous.

Anyway, as trivial as it may seem, they picked the wrong Miliband. The pretty one would have fared better. Think Michael Foot. When did he win an election? Sorry to disappoint all those level-headed posters here, pretty wins votes and it may only be a few (in your eyes), but every vote you win, doubles the delta!

And look who we heading towards getting as head of opposition. A latter day Michael Foot.

History repeats itself, it has to, nobody is listening.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Musket
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:51 AM

There is a train of thought, when looking at the numbers that things might have been slightly better if more people voted conservative.

His slim majority means he has to keep the less savoury elements of his party on board to deliver any legislation at all. Regardless of whether he is nice to his gran or eats babies.

The thing is, when we all cast our votes, I doubt anybody actually thought either party would win a majority to form a government with. So they genuinely think they have a mandate.

Prior to the election, I was saying that Jeremy Hunt had turned out to be a better health secretary than any of us expected. After the election, he has turned political incompetence and scorn for his brief into an art form. He is positively dangerous.

But. They formed a government. The lesson here is that in the world of soundbite media, it is increasingly the case that presentation beats substance. Although, I didn't see too much substance in Labour's campaign either.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 04:58 AM

Mither is partly correct that the soundbite media fetish is dangerous, but the bias of the UK media is worse than simply that.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Musket
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 05:25 AM

"Partly correct"

Praise indeed. I must change how I word things, as it can lead to unintended consequence. I have my street cred to think about..

Mind you, spot on in which Musket wrote it...

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 05:49 AM

There is a reason why there are few left wing papers.
Few want to buy them.
You have your cause and effect mixed up.

The Mirror is available, but more want the Mail.
Call them all feeble minded if it makes you feel better, but that is not the cause either.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Stanron
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 06:41 AM

This is just another lefty loser's whinge thread. Get over it. You lost.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 07:48 AM

you miss the point Stanron....you voted for a shit.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 08:10 AM

Strictly speaking, Al, only those eligible to vote in the Witney constituency voted for him. But you're right, he's a shit - almost as much of a shit as the Spawn of The Devil, IDS.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 08:35 AM

"Tthe Mail."
A real newspapers sold by real newsagents
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 08:44 AM

Thats it - thread fucked.
Well done.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Musket
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 09:15 AM

Al's thread title fucked it to begin with. It is a marmite title. You either agree with it or you don't. I don't think ya boo! Descriptions invite serious comment. But being objective isn't to take a stance either way.

Mind you, Keith's choice of comic confirms how weak gullible sods encourage cynical owners of newspapers. Whilst ever fools believe what they read, it'll keep getting printed.

I suppose less people read some political styled rags than others because intelligent people don't need to be fed horseshit of any persuasion whilst petty ideas attract petty minded individuals. The likes of Dacre at The Daily M*il realise that confirming peoples' bigotry and narrow mindedness sells far more copy than relating news. It is self righteousness on tomorrow's' chip wrapper.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 10:03 AM

Careful, Muskie, with 'repulsive' views like that you'll have The Snail and Stanron after you... 😜😎

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 11:28 AM

So, Backwoodsman, if you don't like democracy what are you going to put in its place? If you put me in the same bracket as Stanron, you really aren't getting the point.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 12:15 PM

Well, Mulluscan friend, I merely question your use of the word 'repulsive'.

You may well disagree with my political views, and I have no problem with that, but for an obvious Tory supporter to describe anyone's views as 'repulsive' simply because they disagree with you, and can see through the paucity and dishonesty of the Self-Servatives' election strategy really does take the biscuit.

'Repulsive' is the Self-Servatives' lie that the 2008 financial crash was caused by the previous Labour government, ''repulsive' is the Self-Servatives' lie that a vote for the SDP was a vote for Labour, repulsive' is the demonising of refugees by the Daily Heil and its ilk, 'repulsive' is the culling of the sick and disabled by The Spawn of The Devil, ID-S

It's a good idea to choose your words carefully, they are liable to come back and bite your arse.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 01:20 PM

Goo on! Clock him a fucker!!!

I've got the garlic butter ready for him, try not to damage his shell so he can sit in the sauce pan nicely. Just got to get someone willing to swallow his views....

I suppose after their damning condemnation of this government's immigration handling and solutions, I can now openly admit to my membership of The Institute of Directors....

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 01:43 PM

Keith's choice of comic

It is not my own choice at all.
Where did you get that from, or is making up shit just a habit?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 01:55 PM

That other leftie paper, The Guardian, is way behind The Telegraph and most other papers in sales.

You can not claim that the public is duped by right wing papers.
They could read left wing papers.
They choose not to.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 02:32 PM

I would be most surprised if David Cameron does not stay on for a third term, and most disappointed.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:16 PM

Sadly the British public prefer Coronation Street to Coriolanus and Lady Gaga to Lizzie Higgins - and only 61 percent of them bother to vote in elections - wonder which newspaper they pick those habits up from
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:19 PM

And only 39.9 percentage of those who did vote, voted for the Conservatives
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:48 PM

Backwoodsman, could I ask you to actually read what I have said and make an effort to understand it?

I am not, by any stretch of the imagination, a Tory supporter but I am a supporter of democracy. You dismissed a large proportion of the electorate as feeble-minded for not voting the way you think they should. What do you want to do, disqualify the feeble-minded (i.e. anyone who votes Tory) from voting? Put them up against the wall come the revolution? We need to win those people over not regard them with contempt. I'll ask again, if you don't like democracy what are you going to put in its place?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:49 PM

Just exercising their democratic rights, Jim. But, like most self-proclaimed democrats, you despise the demos and all its choices. None so class-conscious as the leftie!

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Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:53 PM

The Multi-headed Musket
Goo on! Clock him a fucker!!!

Sigh!

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:56 PM

And not a mollusc amongst us.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 03:58 PM

"Alas, it only goes to show how unpopular Muppet Miliband & Numptie Nigel were during the G.E. that they lost to Cameron the Cringeworthy. "

I don't know about that, UKIP increased their share of the popular vote dramatically, but the "democratic system" ensured they got just 1 MP?....they increased their vote by reflecting public opinion on the EU and unregulated immigration.

Surely you did not expect UKIP to beat the Tories?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 04:26 PM

Mollusc, why don't you follow your own advice and read and understand what i said?

I reiterate - I have no problem with people having a different political viewpoint to mine. I welcome it. What I do have a problem with is a party who, via their powerful allies in the media, lie and deceive their way into power - e.g. by their claim, repeated several times on TV by Camermoron, and many, many times by The Daily Heil and its ilk, that Labour, by their financial ineptitude, 'caused' the 2008 Financial Crash. That was a repulsive lie, easily refuted, yet many clearly were taken in by it.

The Tory press are currently engaged in a campaign of demonising refugees and asylum-seekers, people whose lives have been destroyed in their own countries and who look to nations like ours for succour and support. That's what I call repulsive.

The Minister for Work and Pensions has, for many months now, presided over a system of culling the sick and disabled - only today, he has had to admit that 4,000 people in that category died within six weeks of being declared 'fit for work' and losing their financial support. That's what I call repulsive.

The only policy announced by the Self-Servatives during their election campaign was an airy-fairy promise to cut an un-defined 12 billion pounds from the benefits bill. Yet they didn't make any mention of the 100-or-so-billion that they don't recover from tax evaders and avoiders. That's what I call repulsive.

I certainly don't support a party who behaves as Robin Hood in reverse, stealing from the poor to give to the rich, selling off the NHS and our only profitable railway to their cronies and supporters. That's what I call repulsive.

Of course I support democracy. What I don't support is a party which is prepared to tell the undecided what they want to hear, whilst deliberately avoiding telling the truth. A party which tells what it knows are bare-faced lies in order to discredit its opponents. That's what I call repulsive.

I dismissed a section of the electorate as 'feeble-minded' for allowing themselves to be led by the nose to vote for a party without thinking things through, for being whipped by the lies and deceit of the Self-Servative Media Machine. That's what I call repulsive.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 04:59 PM

Mr Cameron also promised to bring down immigration to the "Tens of thousands", The latest immigration figures are 330,000 pa, the highest ever figure.....Mr Farage has been proved correct again.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 07:42 PM

"Just exercising their democratic rights,"
39 percent of 69 percent - doesn't sound particularly democratic to me - which wasn't the point I was making.
The fact that a lot of people read the Daily Wail doesn't make it any less of a bum-wipe that it actually is - I believe The Sunday Sport had a pretty large following - as did The Vomit of the World before Rupe the Ratbag pulled the plug..
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 08:01 PM

Backwoodsman, I totally agree with you about the Tories and the Tory press so don't &%£*%@#^well accuse me of being "an obvious Tory supporter". The trouble is you then said -

I dismissed a section of the electorate as 'feeble-minded' for allowing themselves to be led by the nose to vote for a party without thinking things through

You have to be pretty confident of your own intellectual superiority to come out with a statement like that. These people have the vote. Rather than treating them with contempt we need to reach out to them, something that the remnants of Nu-Labour have spectacularly failed to do.

Regarding your opponents as inferior and somehow less than human is an ancient and repulsive technique.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 02:15 AM

To allow oneself to be persuaded to vote for a party with no visible policies, and which resorts to deceit and scare-mongering via its tame media-mouthpieces in order to effect that persuasion, smacks to me of feeble-mindedness.

How would you describe it otherwise?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 02:29 AM

Your original comment, "I think that has to be the most repulsive statement I've ever seen on Mudcat", was made in isolation, with no explanation of why, or from what standpoint it was made.

It's hardly surprising, therefore, that an assumption was made that it came from a Tory supporter.

And I haven't sworn at you, so don't swear at me.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Musket
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:03 AM

I'll swear at him on your behalf if you want. The BS section of Mudcat is la la land anyway so I have no self respect to consider.

Anyway, how the fuck can this be reality. Some delusional representative of the little people put a few posts ago that UKIP reflected public opinion. Mind you, this is the same brain of Britain who also reckons he is a member of the communist party and a member of the SNP too...

Surely no normal person takes this to be real debate do they?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:44 AM

Nah, 'course not, but it gives us a few larffs, innit?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 04:04 AM

The fact that a lot of people read the Daily Wail doesn't make it any less of a bum-wipe that it actually is -

True, but they do not think it is.
It presents their views, to which they are entitled.
They pay good money to read it.
Far fewer want to read the Mirror or any other paper presenting a left wing view.

Sorry, but left wing views are a minority, and your far left views a fringe minority, and not because everyone else is feeble minded or gullible dupes who believe politicians lies.

Is Cameron more execrable than other party folk who have never had a proper job?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 04:38 AM

Indeed. I have spent several years exercising my mind as to why Mudcat, and folk music in general, should be to so considerable an extent a haven for lefties. Those of us to whom the music simply & intrinsically appeals tend to be smothered by a plethora of quasi·Marxian agendas.

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