BS: David Cameron is execrable

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Raggytash
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 11:39 AM

A simple solution Al. He merely stops writing his bile on a public forum.

We cannot change the way he thinks, however I do not consider that it is acceptable to continuously reguritate such bitter, ill considered claptrap without reaping the consequences of the same.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 12:15 PM

So, are we agreed that David Camermoron is execrable?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 12:18 PM

"So, are we agreed that David Camermoron is execrable?"
Absolutely - excremental even.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 12:34 PM

A simple solution Al. He merely stops writing his bile on a public forum.

What bile Rag?
Like many, he disagrees with SS marriage and says so.
Nothing wrong with that.
His statements about promiscuity and infection rates are factual.
He does not denigrate anyone for being gay.
You should all get off his back.

Challenge his views by all means, if you can, but stop the abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 12:34 PM

"It is a critical evaluation of your posts on this subject"

Well it isn't a very good one.

"how I raise and educate my children is frankly none of your concern and it is presumptuous of you to think it is"

I have never concerned myself with the way you raise and educate your children as I don't know you from Adam. You're the one making it personal. I was speaking about people in general, not you or anyone else in particular.

I would just say (speaking in general again) that telling one's children that there is a God, making them pray and sing hymns in church and sit under a crucifix in a faith school has nothing to do with education and everything to do with indoctrination. But I'm sure you personally wouldn't dream of doing any of those things. Of course, that could be a rather sweeping statement, but sweeping statements that go with your own flow are probably OK, I assume.

"I know you can"t be offended, it is glaringly obvious."

I recommend the approach. Getting upset on an internet forum is the next worst thing to insanity.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 12:36 PM

posting with a deliberately faked identity to feign support for your otherwise unsupported argument,

Not what I did Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 12:46 PM

You are being disingenuous, Keith. His remarks on gay people, and the way he expresses his opinions on gay marriage, are ill-considered, ill-informed and biased against them. They are exactly the attitudes that have militated against equality for and the acceptance of gay people for decades. That isn't very nice, but that is not his concern. That much is as plain as the nose on your face. He somehow manages to work them into threads on unrelated tropics. He clearly has a mission to diss homosexuality in general. It's his obsession, the bee in his bonnet. It's OK to have a bee in one's bonnet but it's not OK express your uninformed views in ways which hurt or offend innocent minorities.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 01:17 PM

I am not upset, I am not offended, I am amazed , . Well, no, amazed is the wrong word. But we should agree to disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome on his new smartphone
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 01:26 PM

"Of course you would not.
Nor wound anyone including Ake, and Ake is on good and friendly terms with folk he knows to be gay."

How do I know that they are on good terms with him, Keith? Do they know he calls them promiscuous perverts? I have every sympathy for anyone suffering a personal tragedy but what does it have to do with this discussion? There seems to be a lot of smokescreens going up here.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 01:29 PM

It is usually others who rake up the issue Steve.

Like many, he disagrees with SS marriage and says so.
There is nothing wrong with doing that.
His statements about promiscuity and infection rates are factual.
He does not denigrate anyone for being gay.
You should all get off his back.

Challenge his views by all means, if you can, but stop the abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 01:32 PM

Dave, he says he is on good terms with gay folk.
Why would he claim to be on good terms with perverts?
He would not.
He does not denigrate anyone for being gay.
Stop persecuting the man.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 01:36 PM

"Not what I did Jim."
Yest it is Keith - it's exactly what you did and what you were reprimanded for.
You made some excuse about it being to "out" a troll" but it's what you became - a troll
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 01:37 PM

astonishing volte face by Cameron on immigrants.

one picture....

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 01:41 PM

Shows the power of the printed media. Unfortunately, it shouldn't have been necessary.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:08 PM

No-one is persecuting anybody. It's an internet forum, not real life. The whole thing is in his own hands: he avoids posting nonsense about gay people, he stops being criticised. You appear to be so much on his side, the homophobic side, that you would like us all to give him free rein whilst remaining silent. Won't happen, Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:09 PM

There's a picture on Facebook of a tiny baby rabbit being held gently in the palm of a man's hand. The caption is "You can tell the character of a man by his attitude to those who can do nothing for him" (or words to that effect).

Someone should show it to Cameron.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:20 PM

Back on the desktop. It's far easier!

Dave, he says he is on good terms with gay folk.
Why would he claim to be on good terms with perverts?
He would not.
He does not denigrate anyone for being gay.
Stop persecuting the man.

I know he does. But we only have his word for that. We do not know if he calls them promiscuous perverts to their face or if it is only behind their backs. As to why he would say that, surely even you can see that? "I have nothing against Blacks/Moslems?Queers but..." is an opening line that makes me shudder.

Sorry if I am misreading the situation and genuine concern for anyone suffering but I can only go off what I see on here. And again here, there is no persecution. Taking a stance against what someone has said is not persecution. Unless of course in the strange world of Keith, that word has a different meaning as well. Does it?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:24 PM

Jim,
posting with a deliberately faked identity to feign support for your otherwise unsupported argument,

Not what I did.
Look it up Jim.

Steve,
The whole thing is in his own hands: he avoids posting nonsense about gay people, he stops being criticised.

He is entitled to his views, and is happy to defend them.
He would welcome you to challenge them in debate, but that is not what you do.
If you could you would, but you can't, so you resort to abuse.
When a whole gang of you does that on thread after thread, that IS persecution.

Like many, he disagrees with SS marriage and says so.
There is nothing wrong with doing that.
His statements about promiscuity and infection rates are factual.
He does not denigrate anyone for being gay.
You should all get off his back.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:29 PM

Dave, you would not even lie about being friends with perverts.
You have no reason to call him a liar, but it would still show that he does not consider gay folk as perverts anyway.

Your accusation is baseless, and clearly false.

He disagrees with SS marriage and says so.
There is nothing wrong with doing that.
His statements about promiscuity and infection rates are factual.
He does not denigrate anyone for being gay.
You should all get off his back and stop persecuting the man.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:32 PM

You should all get off his back.

Tell you what, Keith, when the management of Mudcat tells us to stop doing something I will take notice. Until then I am sure you will forgive me if I ignore your requests to a gang that does not exist, to stop something they are not doing.

This place gets stranger by the minute...

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 02:37 PM

You have no reason to call him a liar

And I have not done so. Simply said that we only have his word for it. I keep an open mind. If he tells me that he calls them perverts to their face and they are still friends, I have no reason to disbelieve it. But that has not happened. Good luck to him and all the more to them.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 03:05 PM

He clearly does not denigrate gay folk as perverts.
Even supposing he lied about being friends with some, no-one would even claim to be friends with perverts.
You have no case.

I disagree with him on gay marriage, but I defend his right to express and defend that view.
That is because I am liberal and tolerant, unlike all of you.

You are free to ignore my request to stop ganging up with others in the persecution of another member, just because none of you can challenge his case.

You resort to abuse and think that worthy.
It is not.
It demonstrates your inadequacy.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 03:19 PM

You are free to ignore my request to stop ganging up with others in the persecution of another member, just because none of you can challenge his case.

I choose to ignore the request for no other reason than it is complete twaddle. There is no gang. there is no persecution. Just like minded people standing against bigotry.

Until ake answers the question 'do you believe homosexuals are perverts' there is little point in even discussing it.

While we are on pertinent questions, why do you think i am inadequate? For someone who does not resort to personal abuse that sounds pretty insulting to me. I have only resorted to personal abuse in this case in retaliation for being called a troll and a liar. What is your excuse? Maybe I should rise above it, but I have not. Maybe I should rise above you calling me inadequate and not call you a wanker. I'll think about it. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 03:21 PM

"Not what I did."
I have done Keith - but you can put ir u to show I'm wrong if you wish.
You set out to give yourself support - I've no idea why Muskie does what he does, but that is obviously not his intention.
"He does not denigrate anyone for being gay."
Yes he damn well does - a previous posting, which he has not responded to.
"You have persistently depicted homosexuality as unnatural and have, at least once, described the practice as spreading the Gay plague
Describing same sex marriage as an attack on (your particular) family values is homophobic - and none of your business.
You have suggested that homosexuality tends towards pedophilia
The world has moved on - homosexuality is now fully accepted as a natural act.
Comparing homosexuality to addiction - (a self-imposed act) is homophobic - it is the way some people are, not what what they take a decision on - that is a long-established fact and until you get your head around it, you will remain homophobic.
The idea that homosexuality is a curable disease (like addiction) is a myth peddles by religious nutters.
Your patronising "sorrow for those who have felt the need to travel that path" is homophobic in the extreme
Homosexuality is a natural state for some people - like being left-handed.
Every posting you make on homosexuality serves only to make our point."
Ake has made every single one of those points, in several cases, on this thread.
homosexuality is a fact of life as is addiction, I feel sorrow for those who have felt the need to travel that path
Are we to assume that you are now out of the closet and share Ake's homophobic views?
There - isn't that better to get that load off your chest?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 03:53 PM

I choose to ignore the request for no other reason than it is complete twaddle.

It is not twaddle.
All of you together hound him from thread to thread with abuse.

There is no gang. there is no persecution. Just like minded people (acting together as a gang!) standing against bigotry.

"Standing against bigotry"
That IS twaddle Dave!

Disagreeing with ss marriage is not bigotry.
Referring to real issues like infection and the role of promiscuity in the high rates is not bigotry.

If he was just making bigoted statements you could easily challenge and rubbish them.
But you can't.
That is why you all gang up and persecute him with mindless abuse and name calling.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 04:07 PM

Sorry for absence, just back from HD.

Big Al says...."i bet Ake feels like he's been set upon by a gang."

The gang don't bother me Al, they are like children. As Keith says, they simply have no reasoned response to my criticisms of the legislation.....they flounder about in their own ideology trying to insult, intimidate, browbeat, bully, but no reasonable argument for the redefinition can be found.
I would just say Al, that I do not yet go around muttering to myself, I am quite sure of the seriousness of this issue and try to be as accurate as possible in everything I print.
I have discussed the matter of homosexual "marriage" with the three couples who live in my vicinity, none wish to avail themselves of it and are quite happy to explain why. They see themselves as "different" to heterosexual family orientated people and are quite proud of the difference.....they have no wish to conform to heterosexual norms.

Only the densest idiot would hold to the case that all was well in male homosexual health.....the problem of course is intrinsic to the lifestyle, both the levels of promiscuity and the sexual practices involved in male homosexual behaviour.
In many cases homosexual "marriage" and union involve not just two men, but two men who are "married" or in Civil Union (primary partners) and a group of sexual partners known to each of the primary partners.   This is known as "The new monogamy" and according to the health agencies "open" relationships are one of the biggest risk factors in the MSM demographic.
Male homosexuality is demonstrably dangerous and unhealthy, the latest 2013 figures are a staggering 81% of all new infections amongst MSM....these results for HIV
, but the results for most male STDs are similar.

In conclusion most of the real liberals on this forum reside in the USA with the very honourable exception on this thread of AL, Keith and Hilo. There are others, but Steve, Raggytash or Dave the Troll do not rank amongst them.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 04:19 PM

Disagreeing with gay marriage is not bigotry. Disagreeing with gay marriage, shouting your disagreement from the rooftops, claiming that it undermines society and will encourage sexual promiscuity because that's what gay people do, and declaring that gay marriage undermines an institute that is based on nothing more than tradition - well, in my book, that's bigotry. And it's bigotry that sets out to harm its targets. The worst kind. Sorry Keith. As ever, you're on the wrong side. As ever, lamentably, you won't see it in a million years.

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 04:25 PM

My last post was sent before Akenaton's latest nastiness was posted. Come along now, Ake-allies. Support that one if you have the cojones. How foul can you get?

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: akenaton
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 04:25 PM

Not only that Steve, but as the "Bigamy" thread illustrates, redefinition opens a veritable Pandora's box......and as always who suffers most? the children!!

Subject: RE: BS: David Cameron is execrable
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Sep 15 - 04:26 PM

Prove it.