BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

Subject: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 10:10 AM

If Shin Bet says THIS is a terrorist organization, I suppose we should believe them.

No?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 10:21 AM

"Shin Bet says the group poses a continuing danger of violence"

I wonder whether they've ever said anything similar about the people who give the orders to the IDF.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 10:33 AM

The IDF, just following orders:

My Truth: "Right now a terrorist is receiving medical care after attempting to stab IDF soldiers this morning. The soldiers gave an emergency infusion after the terrorist tried to stab them.

This is our truth."

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 10:56 AM

Israel hunts down and prosecutes Israelis who commit terrorist acts unlike the Palestinians who glorify and celebrate child-murdering terrorists. Who holds the moral high ground here?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 12:31 PM

Not the Israeli regime. The only high ground they hold is the high ground they've stolen for their illegal settlements.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 12:52 PM

Hi, Greg. Same old crap, I see.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 12:55 PM

"The only high ground they hold is the high ground they've stolen for their illegal settlements."

There are no illegal settlements - unless of course one assumes that Jews should not own property or build in those areas because they are jews. Every current Jewish "settlement" is on land owned by Jews before 1948 or purchased after 1967. Settlements that tried to set up on land that was not Jewish owned have been dismantled. We continue to hear the term "illegal", but "legal and illegal" has to be more that political desires and interests. It has to refer to law. And, frankly, law established during the illegal Jordanian occupation of the area in which jewish property was confiscated and retitied, and current PA regulations that ban sales or ownership of property by Jews is not valid

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 01:02 PM

That is such a silly post that it doesn't deserve a response. We could just let this twit waffle along on his own, Greg. Just a suggestion.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 01:11 PM

Sorry, Steve. You can call it 'a silly post' if it makes you feel self·righteously comfortable in your unacknowledged racism (or perhaps, to be kind, your good old British instinct to support the underdog); but it happens to be 100% accurate re the status (legally purchased for cash from the actual owners) of the terrain concerned...

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 01:29 PM

Illegally held ground.

Yep, I'm comfortable with that.

As are The UN

The U.K. Government.

The EU

Oh and I'm comfortable with it having been there and seen the vicious attitude of the Israeli government in their support of their home grown fascists.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 01:46 PM

Judea and Samaria was never "Palestinian" land, it was a part of Mandate Palestine given to the Jews by the British for a Jewish homeland. Before that it was under occupation by the Ottoman Turks for 600 years. Under the Ottomans very little land was owned by anyone, the Ottoman rulers preference was to lease land rather than title it. Jews had been living in Judea and Samaria for generations. They were ethnically cleansed, dispossessed and had their properties confiscated and retitled, all done illegally under the illegal occupation of Jordan.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 02:20 PM

I have lived there Musket and you are totally ignorant on this subject. A wee holiday and you are an expert.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 02:22 PM

It's not about the historical situation, it's about bulldozing the homes of people just to let others live there on the basis of racism. It's immoral, wrong and shameful.

I notice it's some Hebrew Scriptures they nod their heads to at the side of the bulldozers to justify their wicked theft, not deeds.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 02:34 PM

"bulldozing the homes of people"

If there are homes being bulldozed it is because they were illegally built on land that did not belong to those living there. There is a legal system in place to adjudicate these situations.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 02:46 PM

BTW, anything to say about those "leftist" activists in the employ of such foreign funded NGOs as B'Tselem who have been entrapping Palestinians who try to sell land to Jews and turning them in to the PA knowing full well that the punishment for that is death?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 03:02 PM

Oh for Christ's sake. Don't ever speak to me again please, Michael. Your post is utterly despicable in every regard. Shove your childish racist slurs, and your usual utterly childish language, where the sun wouldn't shine even if it could. Sod off.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 03:11 PM

Looks like you hit a nerve, Michael.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 03:42 PM

Ah diddums!

Temper temper!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 03:47 PM

... and I shall address myself to whom I please, Steven [or is it Stephen?], you pompous booby.

If you don't like it, don't read my posts -- the way I generally don't even bother with the Musketvite·Popguntribe.

Hoping it keeps fine for you, my ickle·dilli·duckling --

≈Michael≈

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 04:22 PM

Soooooooo...

1. Us = Good :)
2. Not us = Bad ;(

Middle East solved... oh wait...

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 05:24 PM

Meanwhile, back to a discussion of this new gang of Jewish terrorists.....

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 05:36 PM

....if you think such a discussion is remotely possible, what with the scum that's already risen to the surface in this thread, Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 05:45 PM

Jews under attack from terrorists
September to January:

27 murdered
282 wounded
120 stabbings
46 shootings
30 car attacks
78 firebombs

How many victims of new gang of Jewish terrorists ?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 06:38 PM

If Shin Bet says THIS is a terrorist organization, I suppose we should believe them.

It's a good thing that Shin Bet has identified, is policing and prosecuting these criminals. This is the security service of a civilized country doing it's job.

This is what Prime Minister Netanyahu said after visiting the parents and brother of the baby killed by the terrorists in the arson attack:

"When you stand next to the bed of this small child, and his infant brother has been so brutally murdered, we are shocked, we are outraged. We condemn this. There is zero tolerance for terrorism wherever it comes from, whatever side of the fence it comes from."

Contrast that with what Abbas had to say about Palestinian terrorists murdering Jews:

Abbas was quoted as accusing Jews of "defiling the Aqsa Mosque with their filthy feet." Abbas also announced that, "Every drop of blood spilled in Jerusalem is pure blood."

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 06:40 PM

Well, I guess we will all have to bow to Steve And musket and their superior knowledge . as for Greg f , well , he is what he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 06:52 PM

I find it so ironic how upset you people (that being Greg. F, Musket, and Steve Shaw) get when someone even remotely counters your views (not even to mention offends you or demeans you--heaven forbid!), and then you outright assault and demean others and act like it's totally not the same thing. If you demand respect, show it first and maybe it would be actually earned.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 07:06 PM

....amen....

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 07:06 PM

Well Mr Netanyahu would have had to work overtime to visit the bedsides of all the children that were maimed or killed under his command last time out in Gaza. This is not about superior knowledge. It's about clearing your head of all the pro-Israel lies and propaganda that you've been suckered into believing by the overwhelming mass of the media and by that sickening, undemocratic pro-Israel lobby in America. As for my demanding respect, I don't give a damn whether people like you with your obnoxious notions respect me or not, so why don't you just go and play on the railway. And, to be honest, this thread is probably going nowhere. The original point has already been swamped.   We've done it all to death and I for one have no desire to give bigots oxygen. You can carry on without me. Now back to the Bowie tribute shows if you don't mind.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 07:14 PM

The blood of every man, woman and child killed in Gaza is on the hands of Hamas and Hamas alone. You know that but you are blinded by your hatred. That is obvious.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 07:45 PM

Hi Greg , imagine you wanting something actually said,,, well, I never... You are so clever... !

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 09:00 PM

The only high ground they hold is the high ground they've stolen for their illegal settlements.

International Law Officially Recognizes Jewish Claims in Judea and Samaria

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 09:05 PM

Yup- some old Low, High, and Bearded Bullshit in spades. Should have known better, I suppose, than expect rationality from the usual delusional bigots. Adios.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 09:26 PM

So Greg, I guess you were expecting your all fellow Jew haters to hop onto the thread to perform their usual Israel bashing song and dance number but they didn't show up so you're skulking off. Aw well, nite nite then.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 09:36 PM

The usual delusional bigots are all on your side Greg. Guess what, every thread you start ain't always gonna go your way !

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 03:14 AM

Not much to add really. Other than pointing out to Lilo that I have never been there on holiday ever. So you see, rather than face up to the obscene image of families pushed out of their homes which were then bulldozed under a racist agenda, with the Israeli army keeping watch, our pro thug set prefer to make things up about those pointing out the repugnant Israeli program.

Shame on you Lilo. Braidedbeardedbruce is a fool and Michael is a rambling old duffer whose rants are irrelevant and at best, humoured. But I thought you preferred to be taken seriously.

Tosser.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 03:29 AM

Your first sentence is where you should have stopped. It is as accurate as you have ever been.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 04:00 AM

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 05:23 AM

Some say good old Michael
Some say 🐮💩👻

Right back to yer. Chat later when the sanatogen kicks in.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 05:59 AM

"The blood of every man, woman and child killed in Gaza is on the hands of Hamas and Hamas alone. "
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign a contract with Israel. It's normal: We took their land. It's true, that it was promised to us by God, but why should they care? Our God is not their God. There were anti-Semites, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was it their fault? They only see one thing: We came and stole their land. Why should they accept that?"
David Ben Gurion
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 06:52 AM

Not verified Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 06:59 AM

Prove othewise Keith - go away and appease your own paricular brand of terrorism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 07:23 AM

You should be prepared to verify your quotes Jim.
We have discussed this one before so you know you can not verify it.
I am surprised you keep trying to get away with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 07:49 AM

that sickening, undemocratic pro-Israel lobby in America

There are 3,700 registered lobbies in the US, are they all undemocratic or just the Jewish ones?

That brings to mind this little gem I came across on Facebook from a couple of your fellow travelers:

Rik Little If I can I stay away from preloaded titles like Jew. It wastes too much time arguing with idiots. I say Zionists or AIPAC worshipers.


David Blomstrom The problem is that "Zionist" doesn't include Jewish bankers, the Jews who control the media, etc. A better term is actually "Jewish Mafia," but I still often use "Jews" simply because the Jewish Mafia is so big.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 08:00 AM

"You should be prepared to verify your quotes Jim."
Done that Keith - you have had the indisputable source and bent over backwards to show either it was a fake, or Ben Gurion didn't mean what he said - two different arguments - take your pick
It's about time you started explaining you persistent support for Israeli terrorism - it's inhumanly sickening.
"I am surprised you keep trying to get away with it."
Jim Caroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 08:17 AM

Just a reminder Keith
When I first raised this, you denied it was ever said because the source was not verified.
You then did an about turn and agreed he said it, but didn't mean it - he was "only pitting the Arabs' point of view"
Now, it appears, you have done another about face and are claiming that the quote has not been verified.
You are not very good at your terrorism appeasement, are you - you can't even stick to your own script.
What kind of rrjits do you take us for when you can't even remember your own excuses.
Jeeezzz-us
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 01:15 PM

Not true Jim.
He was supposed to have said it in a private conversation in 1956. (1956!!)
It was related in a book published in 1978, but no-one else can corroborate it.
Deny any of that?

If he did say it, he is only giving his perception of the Arab view, and we all know that was the Arab view anyway.

So what is your point Jim. He may or may not have said that, in 1956, Arabs thought Jews had stolen their land.
They had not stolen any land.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 02:25 PM

But Israelis and Arabs can have so much in common...

After the events in Cologne (mentioned in at least two deleted threads) some Germans feel that they have to take the law in their own hands. Among several attacks there was one in Dresden where two Israelis were beaten up and injured by half a dozen most likely right wing (Neonazi?) youngsters screaming "Fucking Arabs".
I ponder if it would have helped them to tell their attackers that they are mistaken or if that would have increased their plight.

Wolfgang (off topic)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 02:25 PM

"They had not stolen any land"

I'm with The UN on this one, rather than Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 02:29 PM

"He was supposed to have said it in a private conversation in 1956. (1956!!)"
So ***** what Keith - you went through somersaults and finally landed on "he said it but he didn't mean it"
Go off and find one of your "real historians" who sell their books in "real bookshops" to show us he didn't say it - it's a world-wide, well known quote which has never been denied by anyone other than you.
Are you insane to take it on yourself to deny a quote from someone like Ben Gurion?
Of course they stole Arab lands and are still stealing it, and are slaughtering men women and children in order to do so - or maybe that's another myth!!!!!
What are you on Keith - atrocity-denial overdrive, it would appear
Sheeesh!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jan 16 - 02:42 PM

I'm with The UN on this one

No surprise there: Anti-Semitism in the UN