BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 08:49 AM

The current wave of terrorism is not about a lack of jobs, a poor economy, or any of the other excuses we've heard. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh declared just Tuesday that the motive behind the current wave of violence is "jihad."

"This intifada is not the result of despair. This intifada is a jihad, a holy war fought by the Palestinian people against the Zionist occupation. Only a holy war will drive the occupier out of Palestine," Haniyeh said.

Terrorism, Again (Israel)......indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 09:17 AM

"Terrorism, Again (Israel)......indeed!!"
As you say "indeed"
Your quote comes from pro-Israeli newspaper, Israel Hayom (history below
Israel Hayom was launched on 30 July 2007 by American casino magnate Sheldon Adelson. At that time, the newspaper competed directly with Israeli, another free daily previously co-run by Adelson. The same year, Maariv editor Dan Margalit left the newspaper to write for Israel Hayom. A weekend edition was launched in October 2009. In 2014, it was believed that Adelson invested in total at least $50 million in Israel Hayom."
The speaker quoted is Ismail Haniyeh, a politician who is not, as described in the article "a political leader", but has been dismissed from his post and has been denied re-entry into Gaza - his views are nobody's but his own
Don't suppose you are going to respond to any of the facts either.
You must have a terrible headache trawling the net for insignificant opinions.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 09:24 AM

Anything that putz and gonif Sheldon Adelson has to say is not worth listening to - piece of dreck that he is.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 09:45 AM

Jim
are you waiting for your "real historian" to get back to you or just leaving a big enough gap to claim that nothing ha been put up that contradicts your claims?

Nothing was put up to contradict my claims.
Plenty was put up supporting them and calling your old beliefs "myths."




Now how about you reading and responding to the the load of links outlining Isreael's behaviour .

Your Arab News link was to something written in April 2002 before the UN and other agencies had proved that it was all lies.
You are so gullible Jim.
The enemies of Israel lie and lie, and you suck it all up without question.

Human Rights Watch completed its report on Jenin in early May, stating "there was no massacre," and Amnesty International's report concluded "No matter whose figures one accepts, "there was no massacre."
Within five weeks all but one of the residents was accounted for."[81] A BBC report later noted, "Palestinian authorities made unsubstantiated claims of a wide-scale massacre"

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 09:57 AM

This 60 Minutes segment exposes how haters like Carroll are so easily duped by the amateurish propaganda churned out by Pallywood. It includes a clip of a "corpse" being carried away on a bier from the Jenin "massacre". The "corpse" falls off the bier twice and immediately jumps back on. It doesn't take much to stir hatred in haters.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 10:21 AM

how haters like Carroll are so easily duped by the amateurish propaganda

Presumably the thousands upon thousands of Jewish Israelis who oppose the actions of the Government of Israel are also so duped, Beardie?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 10:22 AM

"Nothing was put up to contradict my claims.
Plenty was put up supporting them and calling your old beliefs "myths."
Yeah Keith - you've told us this a hundred times - nobody believes you.
All "ignormous Muppet" eh - ah well.
I really don't know enough about the enquiry into Jenin to contradict anybody, - I know there were reports of Israelis bulldozing homes with families still in them.
My point was, and remains, that the recent fiasco of a report on Gaza has called into question how all of these reports are carried out.
The Arab claim is that Israel had the right to select who served and who didn't on the enquiry team.
That was certainly the case in Gaza, where only Israeli politicians and military men were interviewed.
It was also the case in Sabra/Shatila when the Israelis own Kahan report was totally contradicted by the Redmond Report, which found that Israel was guilty of war crimes.
Israel does not favour independent enquiries to the extent that it wants the International Criminal Court closed down, which would mean, of course, there would be no way of bringing Isis to justice - it is putting its own self-interest before that of the rest of the world.
Whenever the Arab report was written, Israel's behavior has borne out the accusations made.
Israel is a terrorist state with U.S. backing that is beginning to crumble.
You have never once responded to any Human Rights accusation,(not your thing- human rights)
All of them without exception condemn Israel - you prefer to believe the politicians - there's a word for that you know
"Everything in the state". The Government is supreme and the country is all-encompassing, and all within it must conform to the ruling body, often a dictator."
Benito Mussolini's definition of fascism
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 10:57 AM

the thousands upon thousands of Jewish Israelis who oppose the actions of the Government of Israel

There are presumably some Israelis who oppose some of the government's actions just as in all other democratic states. This is normal and healthy in democratic systems unlike, may I point out, in Israel's neighbours where opposing the government gets you killed quickly, if you're lucky.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Brian May
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 11:09 AM

Drop in time again. . .

See you guys are all getting on well still . . .

Hi Musket! Nice to put a face to a name (Strummers).

BFN

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 11:13 AM

"This is normal and healthy in democratic systems unlike, may I point out, in Israel's neighbours where opposing the government gets you killed quickly, if you're lucky."
It can get you locked up for life in Israeel - ask Mordechai Vanunu.
Israeli is noted for carrying out assassinations of those they don't like
You pair of David Irvings really aren't going to respond to Israel's being condemned for terrorism - are you?
Debating with you is like ten-pin-bowling - you put 'em up, we'll knock them down
NEXT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 11:34 AM

Vanunu was a PROTESTER ? you really are desperate Jim. I suggest you read a bit more about him.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 11:53 AM

There are presumably some Israelis who oppose some of the government's actions

No, Beardie, not "presumably" but actually.

And No, Beardy, not "some" but multiple thousands.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:02 PM

not "some" but multiple thousands.

Are you sure it's not billions?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:12 PM

Something to ponder, written by a friend, who is an Arab BTW: Inside the minds of racists: the "war crimes" accusers of Israel

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:32 PM

"Vanunu was a PROTESTER ? you really are desperate Jim. I suggest you read a bit more about him."
I know exactly who Vanunu was - he is my hero - when Israel fell into the hands of the right wing he grew uneasy about them having nuclear weapons so he made us aware of the fact.
Israel attempted to encourage South Africa to become nuclear facilitated - such people need to be exposed so they can be constantly monitored.
Personally I will be eternally grateful that be blew the whistle on these bastards.
As far as protesters are concerned, the Palestinians are protesters objecting to their homes being stolen and their people being murdered in their thousands and we know what happens to them - they get murdered in their thousands
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While I'm at it
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Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:50 PM

No, Jim, you do not know.... but I am not surprised that he is your hero.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 12:52 PM

Jim,
Yeah Keith - you've told us this a hundred times - nobody believes you.

But still, you could find nothing written in twenty years that agrees with your old beliefs, but I posted many historians who called them myths.

I know there were reports of Israelis bulldozing homes with families still in them.

Yes, and "eye witness" reports of bodies trucked away, but it was all lies.

contradicted by the Redmond Report, which found that Israel was guilty of war crimes.

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 08:45 AM
"Not true."
The Redmond Enquiry found Israel guilty either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre - guilty as that

Yes Jim, and Israel accepts indirect responsibility as the authority in Lebanon at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 01:14 PM

Are you sure it's not billions?

Yes, I am, Beardie. Its in the multiple thousands, as can be documented with very little effort.

By the way, I suppose those Jewish Israelis who oppose the actions of the Israeli government are also anti-Semites, right?.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 01:37 PM

"But still, you could find nothing written in twenty years that agrees with your old beliefs, but I posted many historians who called them myths."
The pills Keith - the pills!!
"Yes, and "eye witness" reports of bodies trucked away, but it was all lies."
Doesn't make any difference that, with its record of terrorism and rigging its enquiries Israel is not to be trusted - we saw Israel's terrorist activities and yet iy#t declared itself not guilty on the grunds of a rigged enquiry - never again
"The Redmond Enquiry found Israel guilty either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre - guilty as that"
Hate to be the bearer of bad news but whatever way you read it - that's guilty one way or another.
Israel facilitated the massacre - it provided transport for the killers, opened the gates for them and left them at it for three days - it even provided illumination so they could continue their slaughter through the night.
When the slaughter was over they drove the killers away, provided bulldozers to conceal the dead and eventually built a stadium over the mass graves.
Eye witnesses swore that soldiers stood by while the killing was taking place and refused to help.
Every bit of this was covered by the Redmond enquiry and/or eye-witness statements (including from Israeli soldiers on the ground - the experiences of one of them was made into a film. It was established beyond doubt - the only bit Redmond didn't establish was Israel's possible hands-on involvement and that's far from unreasonable given their record of slaughter
To add icing to the cake, the man held as being overall responsible was made Prime Minister - talk about rubbing the world's nose in it - you'd think they believed they had God on their side - oh, some of them do, don't they?
Now, which part of that is "not guilty"?
We really are done here Keith - you are trying to appease too many atrocities at the one time.
Sit back and drink your cocoa and maybe I'll read you a story before you go to bed.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 01:59 PM

Its in the multiple thousands, as can be documented with very little effort.

So what, I'm sure that multiple millions in the US oppose Obama's actions and policies. That just shows how fortunate we are to live in a democracy where leaders are put into office by the vote of a majority and we have the freedom to oppose them if we wish. Would that Israel's enemies had the same rights, the Middle East would be better for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:07 PM

So what,

So what? Fascinating, Beardie. You really are a some king of a jackass, aintcha?.

Now, that being said, what are your answers to the questions posed on 21 Jan 16 - 10:21 AM   & 21 Jan 16 - 01:14 PM ??

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:19 PM

what are your answers to the questions

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 02:34 PM

Eye witnesses swore that soldiers stood by while the killing was taking place and refused to help.

Like the "eye witnesses" at Jenin, and the nurse "eye witnesses" on the MV Marmara who saw bodies thrown over the side. All liars.

You Redmond Report would not say that Israel was "directly responsible."
Israel has always accepted indirect responsibility.

It is only the lying enemies of Israel who say it is guilty of any massacres.
No respectable democracy does.
Try not to be so gullible Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 04:11 AM

"Like the "eye witnesses" at Jenin, and the nurse "eye witnesses" on the MV Marmara who saw bodies thrown over the side. All liars."

That is as squalid and as desperate as it gets Keith - all the witnesses were liars
Ellen Siegal is an American Jewish nurse who was present at the massacre - she is a "liar" because her story doesn't corroborate the account given by the regime that has led to the present state of affairs in Israel that has not long perpetrated the massacre of 1,462 civilians - 344 children And 110 women
"You Redmond Report would not say that Israel was "directly responsible."
In your own words:
"The Redmond Enquiry found Israel guilty either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre - guilty as that"
You have opted for "indirectly responsible" on the basis that all the witnesses were "liars"
Hope you never get to serve on jury duty in a British court Keith
Sickening!
It is only the lying enemies of Israel who say it is guilty of any massacres.
And that ends the official announcement from the Israeli terrorist regime

"No, Jim, you do not know.... but I am not surprised that he is your hero."
Then perhaps you might enlighten me Lilo - or is this to be yet another of your hit-and-run visits?
Jim Carroll

"ELLEN SIEGEL: I think what should happen to him is what has happened in our history, in Jewish history. Ever since I was a child, I have learned that what happened during the Holocaust happened because people were silent, people did not speak up. People allowed bad things to happen to other people and did not do anything about it. We should be the last people on Earth that should allow that to happen. Simon Wiesenthal continues and the Jewish agencies continue to look for Nazi war criminals, and indeed they should, and bring them to justice. Ariel Sharon is a war criminal. And the legal aspects of this, I understand, as a non-legal person, put him in that category. He allowed innocent people to be murdered. He did nothing to protect it. He knew that they were the sworn enemy of the Palestinians. And so, he should be tried."

"AMY GOODMAN: That was Ellen Siegel, the nurse who worked in the Sabra camp at the time of the massacre in 1982. Professor Rashid Khalidi, also with us, your relative headed that hospital called Gaza Hospital?AMY GOODMAN: That was Ellen Siegel, the nurse who worked in the Sabra camp at the time of the massacre in 1982. Professor Rashid Khalidi, also with us, your relative headed that hospital called Gaza Hospital?"
Chomsky

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 04:55 AM

It,s HiLo Jiim . I believe I have always called by your chosen name. I would appreciate the same courtesy, it is what grown ups do.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 05:43 AM

And I would appreciate a reply
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 05:45 AM

Sorry - didn't finish that
And I would appreciate a reply - that's what honest people do
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 05:57 AM

To what question need I rely Jim ?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 07:08 AM

"To what question need I rely Jim ?"
Presume you mean reply.
Re Vannunu
"you really are desperate Jim. I suggest you read a bit more about him"
I replied:
"Then perhaps you might enlighten me Lilo - or is this to be yet another of your hit-and-run visits?"
You know this - that's what you responded to with a plea that I used you chosen name
You and others have referred to me as "Carroll", "leftie", "your mob" and numerous other things - no problem - all part of the cut and thrust of lively debate - learn to live with it.
Truth to tell, I don't have a great deal of respect for those who indulge in hit-and-run sniping - not helpful and somewhat trollish.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 07:13 AM

Jim, Nurse Siegel did not see anyone massacred.
She saw a small group of bodies afterwards.

squalid and as desperate as it gets Keith - all the witnesses were liars

The Jenin and Marmara witnesses were liars or made to lie. It is a tractic you should at least be aware of instead of swallowing every story without question.

You have opted for "indirectly responsible" on the basis that all the witnesses were "liars"

No. It is Israel's side of the story.
They were indirectly responsible because they were the controlling authority in Beirut at the time, but did not participate or collude in the massacre but did end it.
Redmond did not show them to have been "directly responsible" leaving it open.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 08:10 AM

For crying out loud Keith Nurse Seigal was there for the duration of the massacre; far from seeing only "a small heap of bodies" she and her fellow medical staff treated them as they were brought in, talked to them, viewed the events from the top of the hospital (illuminated by Israeli flares throughout the three nights), were herded through the streets through the piles of bodies by the killers, expecting to meet with the fate of the victims (included in her testimony), witnssed the bulldozers brought in to dig the mass graves and finally, corresponded with an Israeli soldier she had seen from the top of the hospital.
Her experiences were thought important enough for her to have been interviewed by the Kahan Whitewash Committee.
What kind of a creature are you to go to such lengths to distort the account of an eye-witness in order to defend this massacre?
You included Nurse Seigal in your list of "liars" - whatever happened in Jenin has nothing to do with this massacre.
ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE TAKEN IT ON YOURSELF TO DENY WHAT NOBODY ELSE HAS EVER DONE - WHO ELSE HAS EVER CALLED NURSE SEIGAL A LIAR?
"It is a tractic you should at least be aware of instead of swallowing every story without question."
During the recent Gaza massacres an Israeli spokesman claimed that the Israelis killed 1,000 terrorists - that has never been repeated - it was a lie - politicians and military men lie to further their cause.
You supported the "Friends of Israel" farrago of a report - you swallow it hook, line and sinker, without question; since it has been exposed as the shambles that it was, you have remained silent on it - ....you should at least be aware of instead of swallowing every story without question.
"No. It is Israel's side of the story."
Exactly - it was the defence of a regime that is fighting desperately to avoid being brought to book for war crimes and atrocities.
In the past they have relied on the U.S. to keep them from bing tried - after Gaza, Obama has told them they could not rely on America's support (one of your "respectable democracies")
"Redmond did not show them to have been "directly responsible" leaving it open."
Redmond did not "leave it open" - he said they were guilty of one or the other - since the events it has been shown they were possibly guilty of both - ye witnesses (whoops "liars") have placed them actually at the scene.
One woman described how she appealed to an Israeli soldier as she was being dragged away to be raped - he turned his back on her.
These people behaved like savages and you with all your Lord Haw-Haw enthusiasm, defend that savagery.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 08:52 AM

Nurse Siegel said this.

"The section on Direct Responsibility also refers to us. It reads,

"When the group of doctors and nurses met IDF officers, they made no complaint that a massacre had been perpetrated in the camps. When asked why they had not informed the IDF officers about the massacre, they replied they had not known about it. The fact that the doctors and nurses who were in the Gaza Hospital -- which is proximate to the site of the event and where persons wounded arrived -- did not know about the massacre but only about isolated instances of injury, also shows that those who were nearby but not actually inside the camps (a reference to the IDF) did not form the impression that a massacre of hundreds of people was taking place."

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:04 AM

She saw a small group of bodies afterwards.

Who were doubtless beamed down by Scotty from the Enterprise, right Professor?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:05 AM

And she saw no bodies being buried. Just a bulldozer clearing ground by the entrance to the camp in full view of the main road.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:07 AM

Greg, they were obviously victims of the massacre.
What is your point?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:20 AM

You have done your usual trick of taking a small slice of the massive amount of evidence and what she has written to back your support ofg terrorism - you have given an unlinked quote
You have just called Nurse Seigal a liar - I ask again - who else has ever made such a claim? - anywhere Israelis - the Israeli lobby - who?
A failure to respond to this question will confirm what we already know - that you make things up on behalf of terrorism
Yopu are now running away from your claim that Redmond left it open - hao can (using your own words) "The Redmond Enquiry found Israel guilty either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre" possibly be described as "leaving it open"?
He said they were guilty of one or the other - it transpired they were possibly guilty of both - we will probably never know which as the Yanks vetoed them being tried - we can make up our own minds - Human Rights groups and honest human beings, including Israelis all over the planet believe them to be guilty - given their track record - that'll do for me.
One more time - Ellen Seigal is a liar - sez who?
Jim Carroll
By the way, you claim Israel has never committed massacres - Wiki lists four definite ones on Palestinian territory - the article appeals for more information.
The number of assassinations carried out by Israeli security forces makes interesting reading too.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:27 AM

Jim

Could you please put a link to Nurse Segals testimony, I'm struggling to find anything pertinent on the net.

Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:38 AM

I do not call Nurse Siegel a liar.
She saw no-one massacred or buried.
She saw bodies beside the road. Some were old men but no women or children. Ne evidence of a massacre. There had been fighting in the camp.
Here is her testimony.
http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/79P9.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:40 AM

"The Redmond Enquiry found Israel guilty either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre" possibly be described as "leaving it open"?

It leaves it open as directly or indirectly responsible.
It does not state that they were directly responsible, and Israel accepts indirect responsibility.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 10:25 AM

"I do not call Nurse Siegel a liar."
Having been given her statement -= you imply she is.
"She saw no-one massacred or buried."
No-one actually say the massacre - she and her colleagues heard it and she treated victims who told than what was going on.
On the basis of eye witness accounts from both victims and Israeli soldiers who were there, the Redmond enquiry found Israel "either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre"
"Ne evidence of a massacre. There had been Ne evidence of a massacre. There had been fighting in the camp
WHAT!!!!
You are now implying that there was no massacere but the deaths were due to "Ne evidence of a massacre. There had been fighting in the camp"
What are you on Keith?
"It leaves it open as directly or indirectly responsible."
Redmond does not leave guilt open - he says they were guilty of either one or the other
You are deliberately twisting
You are lying about this - you have never read the "Redmond Report" - have you
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 10:27 AM

Jim can you provide a link to the Redmond report.

Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 10:43 AM

Guest - just been trying something out.
The "Redmond Report" Keith has been interpreting so creatively doesn't exist- the independent report that found Israel guilty of either participating in or facilitating was actually headed by Sean McBride - it is 'The McBride Report' - shouldn't have any trouble finding it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 11:20 AM

The McBride enquiry is now only on Jstor, a subscribers only site, as far as I can make out – a couple of years ago it was freely on-line.
In 1983, a commission chaired by Seán MacBride, the assistant to the UN Secretary General and President of United Nations General Assembly at the time, concluded thatIsrael, as the camp's occupying power, bore responsibility for the violence.[19] The commission also concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide
A few of interesting links here:
Permission to Narrate

Action Alert Archives

A preventable massacre

Israel misled and bullied U.S.

Israel's systematic harassment of US Marines

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 01:55 PM

Having been given her statement -= you imply she is.(a liar)

No I do not. I admire her for her work and her honesty.

She and others from her hospital told the Kahan Enquiry that they did not know there had been a massacre.
They heard nothing to suggest one.
The refugees who sought refuge in the hospital BEFORE the massacre expressed fears of what the Phalange would do to them because Palestinians had recently committed atrocities and massacres in their villages. (No international outcry over murdered Christians of course.)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 01:59 PM

The "Redmond Report" Keith has been interpreting so creatively doesn't exist

I only referred to the quote you provided Jim.
Here it is again,

Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 08:45 AM
"Not true."
The Redmond Enquiry found Israel guilty either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre -

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 02:29 PM

I do not believe that I have ever refered to you as "Carroll". As I say, I would appreciate the courtesy.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 03:03 PM

"I do not believe that I have ever refered to you as "Carroll". As I say, I would appreciate the courtesy."!
And |I would appreciate an explanation of your dismissal of my post regarding Vannunu
I believe your past behaviour leaves in doubt whether any courtesy is due to you - you have shown little for me in the past.
"If you can't stand the heat" as they say
"The Redmond Enquiry found Israel guilty either "directly or indirectly" of the Sabra/Shatila massacre -"
No such thing as "the Redmond Enquiry" Keith - I made it up, so how can you claim what it said, which you did.
The McBride Enquiry "In 1983, a commission chaired by Seán MacBride, the assistant to the UN Secretary General and President of United Nations General Assembly at the time, concluded that Israel, as the camp's occupying power, bore responsibility for the violence.[19] The commission also concluded that the massacre was a form of genocide.[20]"
There are a load more links stating that Israel was both directly and indirectly responsible for the massacre, for intimidating the U.S. troops in Lebanon and for tricking the U.S. into supporting them over the massacre - not only from Human Rights organisations, but from U.S politicians and High-ranking military - don't uppose for on minute you will respond to them
McBride doe find Israel answerable for the massacre, by the way
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 03:26 PM

Could I suggest Jim that you reiterate "No such thing as "the Redmond Enquiry" Keith - I made it up, so how can you claim what it said, which you did" just so everyone can see what an idiot this man is.

Once again Keith has demonstrated his complete and utter lack of knowledge and understanding about a subject he waffles on about.


Keith: Jim invented the Redmond Enquiry just to prove a point which most of us had already acknowledged.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 04:12 PM

Whoops. Looks like Brian May is confusing me with Musket.

Poor sod. I know Ian has been taken to task before now by people thinking he is posting mine and Musket's posts.

Confusing life innit?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 05:07 PM

Yeah, but is Redmond alive, is he/she eminent, and are his/her hbooks available in regular bookstores??

What say you, Professor???