BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 03:23 AM

Rationally? Brainwashing? Ideology?

In case you hadn't noticed Joe, your lot are the ones expecting loyalty to a concept that is irrational. You don't arrive by reason to an idea of telling a fantasy concept that you are impure or need saving. You don't work on an idea that someone lived amongst other humans whose mother was a virgin, that his conjuring tricks were something other than that, that he died and still walked amongst others, that his father was a god, that babies who a priest hasn't thrown water on can't go to the same mythical land as others when they die... I shan't go on, you know the stories far better than I do

You can say what you like but churches talk of obedience, living your life to a script provided by them and interfering in the lives of all, including those not impressed by bigotry and not in need of comfort blankets.

That Jesuit quote Jim keeps repeating about giving them a child? Yeah, if every member of a cult made a choice as an adult having never been influenced by superstition as s child, how would your billion stack up?

Brain washing indeed Joe...,.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 03:21 AM

Where do you armchair experts get your information about the Catholic Church, anyhow? News reports?
While news reports are usually accurate, it's difficult for them to convey perspective. The news media generally focus on problems, not on successes. Good news doesn't sell papers. So, readers get the impression that the bad stuff overwhelms everything they don't have direct experience with.

I don't deny the bad aspects of the Catholic Church, but they're about 10 percent of the total experience. The mediocre and mundane account for another 50 percent or so, and the really good stuff is maybe 40 percent.

40 percent good ain't bad, unless you're obsessed with the 10%.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 03:01 AM

It may be a novel concept to you, Musket, but the Catholic Church doesn't just bark out orders and expect obedience. The Church tries its best to present its positions rationally.

Rationally....are you familiar with that word? It's not brainwashing or ideology. It's logical thinking, an attempt to convince others that one's position on an issue makes sense. That's the way the Catholic Church usually operates - by instruction and persuasion, not by threats and edicts.

And yes, in a church with a billion members, there's plenty of dirt for you to find fault with. The same thing happens wherever you bring two or more humans together. Somebody's gonna screw up, and some idiot is gonna blame everyone in the organization instead of putting the blame on the few who deserve it.

Maybe you absolutists wouldn't understand that, though - you who see yourselves as perfect and everyone else as unworthy.

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 02:05 AM

So a press communique from the Vatican stating the catholic position on dealing with public health issues is the position of...?

What exactly?

Who is required to take heed of it?

Yes, the church sounds out vocally on social issues, but is rather precious when the results of it's own confusion is questioned. Lamenting the state of vulnerable people whilst systematically hiding its own predators doesn't sound like the actions of this democratic system to me. In fact, I do believe they are to hold a criminal court for a whistle blower shortly, except the Italian government has stated it won't host a prisoner for something that isn't an offence in Italy.

Interesting use of "open" and "democratic" if you ask me.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Mar 16 - 01:01 AM

Musket says: I assume the word "doctrine" still means what I thought it does? Enlightened discussion between intelligent people who happen to be Catholics has nothing to do with the aims and objectives of the Vatican. The best you can say is that you give respectability to their aims and objectives, many of which aren't supportable.

Well, no, Musket, the Catholic thinking on doctrine probably does not fit your stereotype. The pope and the bishops together form the Magisterium, the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. They are supposed to discern the sensus fidei (click) (sense of the faith) that is commonly held by all Catholics - I'll bet that's far more democratic than you expected.

There are different levels of doctrine (church teaching). The one people hear of most is dogma, the infallible teaching that is found primarily in the fourth-century Nicene Creed - the core beliefs of most Christians, plus a few other Catholic-specific things. The next level is simply called doctrine - official teachings that Catholics are generally expected to believe, but which are open to discussion. And then there are other teachings and interpretations, which Catholics are encouraged to consider seriously. In all matters, the individual's conscience is the final decider. The Church may impose sanctions to compel acceptance of things when there's an impasse with an individual. Excommunication is the stiffest sanction, but it can usually be removed by administrative procedures. And in general, an excommunication issued by a local bishop applies only within that bishop's local diocese.

The Church cannot condemn an individual to damnation - only God can do that. Interestingly, if a person obeys a Church directive and fails to obey his own conscience in the process, that could conceivably result in damnation, if serious enough and fully intentional. Unlikely, but conceivable.

Yes, Musket, some Catholic teachings aren't supportable, especially in the area of sexuality. But those teachings are often not as rigid and unforgiving as your stereotype leads you to think. And do you really the Catholic social teachings unsupportable? The moral teachings the Church spends most of its time on, have to do with social justice, not sex - preferential option for the poor, support of the rights of immigrants and workers and the homeless, condemnation of the U.S. war in Iraq, condemnation of capital punishment, and many other teaching that support the oppressed. Are those unsupportable? Donald Trump seems to think so.

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Steve Shaw says:That is not true. Catholicism and its institutional structures have a good, firm grip in much of Central and South America, the Philippines and in large parts of Africa.
Steve's stereotype is far from universally applicable. The Catholic bishops have often been at odds with the governments in the areas Steve lists, to the point where church leaders have often been targets for assassination by government troops. The bishops' conference of Latin America has often been labeled "Marxist" because of its initiation of the concept of the "preferential option for the poor." The Cardinal in Manila was instrumental in the 1972 overthrow of the corrupt Ferdinand Marcos regime in the Philippines.

It is true, however, that repressive regimes in the third world always seem to be able to form alliances with repressive bishops; and those regimes often find it expedient to legislate the repressive bishops' draconian moral concepts. Indeed, many right-wing Catholic political leaders are members of Opus Dei, a right-wing Catholic organization with vast political and financial power in economies, nations, and the Church. Opus Dei is a minority, but a very scary minority.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 10:39 PM

Joe, (and I'm not going to harass you about this)..but how do you reconcile your stance on abortions, and your Catholic faith? It seems to be conflicted.

GfS

It's called free will.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 09:32 PM

Or should that be clinics...

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 09:19 PM

I made a mistake there, sorry: it was six states with just one provider, not none. The vast majority of counties have no providers, as I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 12:38 PM

Steve Shaw says: I note that the number of states in the US with no abortion clinics has gone up to six.

I'd like to see that data, Steve. I've seen lists that show states with one or two clinics, but haven't seen states with no clinics at all. And then, perhaps it would be better to determine how many abortion providers are in a state. I've read that the majority of abortions in the U.S. are performed in abortion clinics, but some are performed in hospitals, outpatient surgery centers, and other medical clinics. Many locations simply do not have enough demand to justify a a dedicated abortion clinic. Some don't even have hospitals.

Musket contends that photos of anti-abortion demonstrations include photos of "old men in dog collars," and I wouldn't disagree. It does seem to be younger priests who are most vehemently opposed to abortion, homosexuals, and the like; but some of the old guys are like that, too. Many of the old guys have heard enough confessions to develop compassion that tends to overrule legalism.

My point is (and has always been) that Catholic positions on the "sex issues" are not universal. There is a wide diversity of thinking, even among bishops - and popes. Many of us don't buy into the legalism and absolutism and authoritarianism that are primary aspects of the stereotype seem by many outsiders.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 11:45 AM

GfS, I think that abortion is sometimes the least harmful of a selection of bad choices. When there is no good choice, one chooses the least harmful one. So, I am a pro-choice, anti-abortion Catholic.
Many of us are.
Joe

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 10:04 AM

only one American woman in ten has to drive more than 100 miles

That may indeed be true if the nation is taken as a whole, oe, but it is most certainly NOT the case in states that have enacted the so called TRAP laws- or in the states that now, thanks to the Republicraps & fundagelicals - and Catholics, I may add - have a single facility for the entire state.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:25 AM

Joe, (and I'm not going to harass you about this)..but how do you reconcile your stance on abortions, and your Catholic faith? It seems to be conflicted.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 02:08 AM

You know, many of the pictures we get to see of people stood outside clinics intimidating patients and staff tend to include old men in dog collars.

Just saying like...

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Mar 16 - 01:49 AM

This page (click) appears to give pretty good information about the availability of abortion providers in the U.S. While it's true that many counties do not have abortion providers, only one American woman in ten has to drive more than 100 miles to an abortion provider, and seven in ten travel less than 50 miles.

Nine in ten abortion providers reported being the target of some sort of harassment. I found that disturbing.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 09:12 PM

You can mostly credit the Republicraps and the "Christian"[sic] fundagelicals for that, Steve.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 08:17 PM

I note that the number of states in the US with no abortion clinics has gone up to six. The vast majority of counties in the US have no clinic.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 07:31 PM

To find out how people are controlled by iron fists and kept away from "undesirable" free-thinking influence, you could do worse than follow the Rob 'n' Helen saga in The Archers!

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:32 PM

Yeah, not unlike ideologues, eh??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:14 PM

Possibly the same people who tell them they are Catholics and this is how Catholics do as they are told.

I'll say one thing for Goofus. His input encourages people to use less syllables in their posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Feb 16 - 03:08 PM

Steve Shaw: "That is not true. Catholicism and its institutional structures have a good, firm grip in much of Central and South America, the Philippines and in large parts of Africa. State laws on sexuality, birth control and abortion often follow Catholic doctrine closely. You may well be seeing a soft-centred version of Catholicism among your articulate, middle-class neighbours, but that is most decidedly not how it is elsewhere. Take off those blinkers."

So who is FORCING them to be Catholics??
...as opposed to those who want to FORCE people to be 'socialists'??

It's THEIR business, not yours, or mine.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 04:30 PM

Fair dos. With the other lot, I know a vicar who reckons the job isn't so much believing as giving others the chance to use belief to help them with their lives.

I reckon that even the CofE lot, he would be very much in the minority. I assume the word "doctrine" still means what I thought it does? Enlightened discussion between intelligent people who happen to be Catholics has nothing to do with the aims and objectives of the Vatican. The best you can say is that you give respectability to their aims and objectives, many of which aren't supportable.

Sorry to hear about Father Jack by the way. He made me laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 09:42 AM

That is not true. Catholicism and its institutional structures have a good, firm grip in much of Central and South America, the Philippines and in large parts of Africa. State laws on sexuality, birth control and abortion often follow Catholic doctrine closely. You may well be seeing a soft-centred version of Catholicism among your articulate, middle-class neighbours, but that is most decidedly not how it is elsewhere. Take off those blinkers.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 04:05 AM

I think, Musket, that you and Jack and Steve and others see only a stereotype of the Catholic Church. You do not seem to be able to comprehend its diversity. Monolithic authoritarianism has been dead in the Catholic Church for a long, long time. Yes, you can find Catholic voices that match your stereotype, but they are the exception to the rule nowadays.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 03:57 AM

They may not be the whole story but they appear to be the official stance, even if you do convince yourself that a theocratic leadership cult can somehow be a democracy.

When your Pope allows you to express your views with a binding vote, come back to us eh? Meanwhile, ask him who is right, you or the dangerous nutters pushing delusion inspired blocks to public health measures. I'll give you a clue. He gives them dog collars but not you apparently.

You mean well Joe, but you come over as an apologist for wrongs we can actually see and suffer the effects of.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Joe at Dizzyland
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 03:48 AM

I can't make links on this tablet (no html brackets), but this Gallup poll report shows US religious denominations by state as of about ten years ago:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/12091/tracking-religious-affiliation-state-state
The only state with a majority Catholic population was Rhode Island, 52% Catholic. I've seen other polls that show there is no consistency in the "Catholic vote" in the US. I was brought up to think that a good Catholic could only vote Democratic, while other Catholics were brought up to think that good Catholics vote Republican.

I'm at the religious education congress put on every year by the Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles - 40,000 people are here. I went to a workshop this afternoon where two transgender Catholics told their stories. The meeting room was packed to overflowing, and the audience was enthusiastically supportive of these young people. I'm sure this sort of support wouldn't fit the stereotype many of you have of Catholics. Yes, we have an angry, vocal minority who are obsessed with homosexuals and abortion, but they're not the whole story.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 28 Feb 16 - 12:49 AM

What is this, a re-make of telling a lie enough...till people start to believe it???...none the less, it's bullshit!...keep shovelin'.
Do you get paid for this??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 06:06 PM

"GfS, you should really check the source before posting the drivel that you copy/paste

Ditto, Alex.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 06:02 PM

Rude? Rather indulgent if you ask me.

Tsk. Keep banging the rocks together.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 11:03 AM

Greg F.: "GfS, you should really check the source before posting the drivel that you copy/paste

There's always a first time, I suppose. And Goofus IS Alex Jones

Guest: "GfS, you should really check the source before posting the drivel that you copy/pasted. You would have seen that this conspiracy theorist is so out there that he makes other conspiracists, like Alex Jones, look like Pulitzer Prize winning journalists. I have known Joe Schwarcz for many years and it is no secret that he is targeted by these wackos who promote their outlandish theories and count on the scientifically illiterate for their support. But then again maybe you and Constantine are right and the rest of us have been brainwashed and are under the mind control of the CIA and the US government."

If you two moronic ideologues would ever READ and understand a post, and instead of wanting to jump on a chance to purposely 'expound' on your own spins, either because you can't, or won't see what is actually being said, then maybe...just maybe, you wouldn't make such idiots of yourselves.

The first part of my post, I clearly pointed out that cancer had been linked to 'Round-Up', a product of Monsanto...and backed it with a link from the New York Times.

The second link, I posted to indicate that Steve, in his post sounded, a bit 'unsure' but was willing to give Dr. Joe Schwarcz the benefit of the doubt..... That being said, I thought he was being 'polite', (unlike your ideological selves)....and I provided him a link, that shared his suspicions, and posted the link and comment as such:

"(Link)Dr. Joe Schwarcz...check THIS out!!! .

Just thought I'd resolve Steve's diplomacy....and help him with his suspicions..."

Then you morons begin your chanted mantra of Alex Jones, and 'conspiracy theories'......

Just thought I's point that out, and back it up.

GfS

P.S. I swear, some political ideologues, as well as some 'religions' become a form of self imposed mental illness, complete with cognizant disabilities ...not to mention being generally 'rude' to go with it!!

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 10:13 AM

At a guess, Louisiana and Florida are the two US states with the largest proportional Catholic populations?

Not quite Jack. While Catholics are certainly part of the problem, a much greater problem are the Fundagelical "Christians"[sic]:

Religious composition of adults in Florida
Christian 70%
Evangelical Protestant 24%
Mainline Protestant 14%
Historically Black Protestant 8%
Catholic 21%

Religious composition of adults in Louisiana
Christian 84%
Evangelical Protestant 27%
Mainline Protestant 8%
Historically Black Protestant 22%
Catholic   26%

(Pew Research Center)

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 27 Feb 16 - 07:49 AM

The first cases of Zika in pregnant women in the US don't look good:

http://newsdaily.com/2016/02/u-s-study-of-nine-pregnant-women-who-traveled-shows-zika-virus-in-some/

Lousiana and Florida are two of the most likely states in the US to suffer a Zika epidemic, given their geography. And their priest-ridden governments are the most likely to handle it with brutal, oppressive stupidity.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 06:24 PM

The law passed by the Republican-controlled legislature last spring required women seeking abortions in Florida to make two visits to a clinic, with a mandatory 24-hour waiting period in between. Many states have adopted such laws as conservatives seek to chip away at the U.S. Supreme Court's landmark 1973 Roe v. Wade decision to legalize abortion.

"Chip away." You know, what I find to be the most disgusting thing about the anti-abortion lobby, apart from their calling themselves, revoltingly, "pro-life", is the way they seek to chip away. To make life more difficult for women. To place as many obstacles as possible in the way whilst simultaneously getting the time limit reduced. They claim the moral high ground, they use raw emotion to make their case instead of making rational points. It's all about tactics and it's all so bloody immoral. If you think abortion's wrong, say so, campaign for its outright abolition, no exceptions, and do the honest thing. I would hate their guts for doing that but at least I could respect their straightforwardness. But tactics? Chipping away? That's just disreputable and dishonest. Campaigning for twenty weeks, or two doctors, or mandatory delays, is campaigning for things they don't believe in. These are incredibly nasty people, make no mistake.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Feb 16 - 03:51 PM

And theocracy marches on in Florida:

http://newsdaily.com/2016/02/court-orders-abortion-waiting-period-to-be-enforced-in-florida/

At a guess, Louisiana and Florida are the two US states with the largest proportional Catholic populations?

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 11:46 AM

Mea culpa or whatever it is. Mind you, he or she does indeed seem to have issues.

I hope they get their sense of smell back....

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 10:07 AM

He's that bloke who says he posts anonymously so that we can address the issue, not the man. Bwahahahaha!

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 09:50 AM

Who the fuck are you? Got a high opinion of yourself.

I was referring to the worm, who incidentally hasn't the intelligence to know how to post anonymously once his computer has logged him in.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 08:11 AM

The thread was well polluted before I got here.

Dogs don't smell their own shit.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Feb 16 - 02:48 AM

As ever,

1. There is a pollution of this thread now so not much point in carrying it on.

2. Pointing out the pollution gets posts of normal people deleted.

3. The pollution comes out with something outrageously wrong which denigrates people so the shit kickers close the thread in order that pollution has the last word.

With regard to the thread, it is very disturbing the influence of superstition on important subjects that affect real lives in a physical way, not just the mental balance of the poor fuckers caught up in it. It's probably a good thing that the god concept is just the result of fertile imaginations because if it did exist, it would be having a good laugh, considering that if you want a plague of disease that exhibits itself in pregnancy, do it in poor countries trapped in the menacing hold of a population controlling religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 08:32 PM

Meanwhile theocracy marches on in Louisiana:

http://newsdaily.com/2016/02/u-s-court-allows-louisiana-abortion-restrictions-to-go-into-effect/

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 07:35 PM

Well, Donuel, I could agree, but don't overegg the pudding. After all, we do have malaria.

Guesticles is getting frustrated. Do keep cool, anonymous name-caller. You shit in your own bed, as ever. Say goodnight to the folks, Gracie.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 07:29 PM

Be brave, honest, wise men for a change and stop bickering like children.

We are talking about a challenging disease which will create a need to make a decision unlike any other in history.

I know you do not know what I mean yet.

It is best you show some wisdom in the months to come because we are about to employ a science never before unleashed.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 07:19 PM

is calling us fascists

Whaa whaa, mommy, he's calling us names. Boo hoo!

Yes dear but you call people Islamophobes and war mongers and denigrate other peoples' religious beliefs.

That's different though because I know that they are wrong and I am right. I am only trying to make them see the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 07:14 PM

I was not referring to you. I was referring to our Guest-coward. Greg calls him brucie, though that's uncertain, so I prefer to dub him Guesticles.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 07:10 PM

I have never called anyone a "Jew hater" Steve.
I don't think you people are particularly discriminatory of different religions......just religion in general.

and basic freedoms of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 07:02 PM

Since Catholicism is the cause of all this death and misery and every abomination thinkable for so many it may be worthwhile to consider converting to the religion of peace, Islam. Islam is the true religion, is it not, and there is no other G-d but Allah, Laa Ilaaha illaa Allah! The Prophet (PBUH) reported that Allah said, "I created my servants in the right religion but devils made them go astray". The Prophet (PBUH) also said, "Each child is born in a state of "Fitrah", then his parents make him a Jew, Christian or a Zoroastrian, the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you noticed any that were born mutilated?"

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:57 PM

How kind of you.

Hey mods, have you noticed how the man that prefers to remain anonymous so that we can address the issue, not the man, is calling us fascists from behind his wall of anonymity? Still don't think we should have everyone with a unique moniker and logged in? How much longer are you going to let him call us fascists and Jew-haters before you get the boss to do something about it? Does he ever read this shite? Do you ever put this to him? I doubt it...

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:37 PM

Steve, I am not calling you personally a Fascist, I was referring to a group, an ideology. If you do not subscribe to that ideology wich proscribes freedom of religion, freedom of speech, freedom of thought, then you are certainly not a Fascist.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:22 PM

Hi, Brucie!

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 06:04 PM

So we're fascists now.

No, not just now.

Subject: RE: BS: Zika vs anti-abortion cults
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Feb 16 - 05:58 PM

So we're fascists now. This from the fellow who claims that he doesn't call people names. If I were into name-calling myself, I'd call you a hypocrite. As I'm not, I won't.