BS: Our Apology

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 11:59 AM

In fact fascism essentially has always involved a distorted parody of socialism - Mussolini was of course a prominent and active socialist before the Great War, and the very term "National Socialist" reflects that aspect. Peronism in Argentina was a variant of fascism that actually retained some aspects of genuine socialism. It's a mistake to see fascism as essentially far-right. Its primary characteristic is that it's authoritarian, most especially in relation to any popular movement it does not control.

Trumpism is very much in the tradition of fascism in many ways, most especially in drawing on the discontent of ordinary people who have lost out in recent years.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 10:07 AM

And the Republicrap War On Public Education intensifies:

Betsy DeVos, Trump's Education Pick, Has Steered Money From Public Schools
By KATE ZERNIKENOV. 23, 2016

It is hard to find anyone more passionate about the idea of steering public dollars away from traditional public schools than Betsy DeVos, Donald J. Trump's pick as the cabinet secretary overseeing the nation's education system.

Ms. DeVos's efforts to expand educational opportunity in her home state of Michigan and across the country have focused little on existing public schools, and almost entirely on establishing newer, more entrepreneurial models to compete with traditional schools for students and money.

Even some groups that share her support for charter schools worried that picking someone so closely identified as a champion of vouchers signaled that the Trump administration would try to starve public schools.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/23/us/politics/betsy-devos-trumps-education-pick-has-steered-money-from-public-schools.html

And multi-millionaire "The End Times Are Upon Us" Dr. Batshit Crazy at HUD - that should be really "amusing"...

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 10:02 AM

"stop all the nonsense about Fascism"
Wot Stu just said
WHERE it ENDS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Stu
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 09:49 AM

To be fair to Trump, he's making sure he'll be making a few bucks out of the whole business; apparently he was talking to the Argentine PM as PresElect and at the end tried to get him to sort our building permissions for some of his developments. Corruption before he's even in office; impressive.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 09:10 AM

Very apt, Jim. As they say, if you treat people like mushrooms that means you keep them in the dark and cover them with manure.
............
"Most of the rest of the world finds itself in the curious position of hoping the next President of the United States will be a liar and a hypocrite." (From an editorial in The Tablet.)

Which means that we can maybe be a little bit encouraged by the indications that this is the case, with news of his backing off on his promise to try to jail Hillary Clinton, and even maybe on a few of his other firm promises, like instantly abolishing Obamacare and totally rejecting any notion of worrying about the environment, and denouncing the outright fascism and racism of the "alt-right".

Though since he is such a liar, there's no reason to think that saying stuff like that means anything either.

If he does back off on too many of his campaign pledges I don't imagine that will go down with the people who hysterically rallied to him. But why should he care about what they think? "So long, suckers".   They should have realised that's the way he has always operated in business. Never even made a secret of it.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Stu
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 08:53 AM

"stop all the nonsense about Fascism"

Nope. Been down that road before and we know where it ends.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 08:24 AM

Lovely Freudian slip in my last posting, must have been a spellcheck gone astray.
Far to apt to correct though.
mycologist,
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: gillymor
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 07:33 AM

There really is no defense for supporting a vulgarian like Trump. That's probably why the polls had it so wrong. I've a feeling a lot of people were just too embarrassed to admit they were going to vote for him. As for the argument that he's going to reform a corrupt political system, remember this is the guy who bragged about his ability to corrupt public officials throughout his business life and through perverse logic argued that this qualified him to fix the system. Look for excessive corruption in his administration. A leopard don't change it's spots, especially at age 70.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Nov 16 - 04:23 AM

This is one of the most bizarre arguments I have ever witnessed.
I might have missed something, but nowhere can I find one of Trump's supporters here prepared to put up an argument for what he stands for - nowhere.
The most virulent, racist, mycologist, hate-filled candidate ever to be elected to the White House and nobody here prepared to tall us why his policies have made him electable.
He's hardly a charismatic figure - he comes over as a crude, loudmouthed, blustering bully, he has no debating skills to speak of, he has no political experience, he is the first President elected to office whose first act after election was to be forced into settling a law-suit he had previously refused to do, where his firm ripped of students.....
Somebody like this would have been refused a job of emptying the dustbins of any self-respecting political offices.
Is it really the power that money brings that gives us our world leaders nowadays?
C'mon Ake - let's hear it for Don the Man - oyu have a comprehnsive list of what he stands for!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 08:43 PM

At least when it comes to the French election, the fascist only becomes President if she gets more votes than whoever is up against her in the final round.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 02:31 PM

Continuing with this sappy metaphor, decent people need to work at derailing this demented train in any way they see fit.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 01:21 PM

Mr Red is indeed right. I agree, it is going to be a bumpy ride so I guess I must be right too. As is anyone else who has indicted that the next few years is going to be rough.

I am however extremely confused by the fact that someone who labels themselves a socialist and is a self professed ex member of the communist party can cheer and gloat that known the right wing, bordering on if not actualy fascist, potential dictators are gaining hold across the world. What we need now is not more right wing and neoliberal ideals but care and compassion from politicians, businessmen and ordinary people who should know better.

The world is becoming smaller by the minute. The resources need to be shared equally amongst all, regardless of national boundaries, to prevent wars for those ever dwindling resources and ever growing needs. Anything else can and will lead to global catastrophes brought on by nothing but crass stupidity by the leaders and lack of care by the people who are able to do something about it.

In my opinion.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 12:57 PM

"unmapped territory."
Hardly unmaped
TRUMP'S RAILWAY TIMETABLE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 12:56 PM

Ake, get a grip. We all know you haven't the vaguest understanding of the U.S. political scene.

Re-read 21 Nov 16 - 06:48 PM & 23 Nov 16 - 03:20 AM and at the very least try to pretend you can recognize reality when it bites you on the arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 12:42 PM

you're all wrong except Mr Red(as usual).

You're going to have to help steer this train, because it's the only train for years and it's steaming into unmapped territory.

The people who used to run our two countries left on the last train, they are safely holed up in China and India.....stop all the nonsense about Fascism and realise "liberal" democracy was a sham, nobody is going to guarantee your "rights" anytime soon......get to work!

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 10:49 AM

Grab hold of that train, plain or ship.
Once aboard you will hear "Papers NOW.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 10:20 AM

the people are waking up

They sure are, Ake!   HEIL TRUMP!! HEIL TRUMP!! I've seen 'em. You must be proud. Have you sent your contribution & congratulations to David Duke yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: gillymor
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 08:24 AM

Good one, Stu. That train definitely ain't bound for glory.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 05:29 AM

Anyone heard of the book by Philip K Dick, that has now been turned into a TV series, "The man in the high castle"? It tells of a dystopian USA where the Nazis had won the war.

Could it be prophetic by any chance?

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Mr Red
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 05:08 AM

I don't fancy going on any sort of a journey with people like that

Fancy or no, Hold on Tight PAL! this is going to be a bumpy ride

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Stu
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 03:20 AM

'you guys need to grab onto the train before it leaves the station"

You're all right, I think many of us might stay here and get on with the job of trying to address people's concerns properly. The train is full of nazi's, science deniers, liars, hypocrites and racists and I don't fancy going on any sort of a journey with people like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 03:03 AM

I love jokes, did anybody hear the one about the Democrat president of the US who flew over to the UK and told us If we did not behave ourselves and vote the way he wanted on the EU, he would shuffle us off to the back of the queue on trade deals?

Laugh? I nearly cried.

Jokes wont cut it, the people are waking up, you guys need to grab onto the train before it leaves the station.

Sorry about the analogies..... blame Don   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 03:01 AM

Please, please, please take Farage away. The UK government will not appoint him ambassador. Surely you can find him work elsewhere?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 01:53 AM

What with the alt-right rising and the protests against Trump's decision not to prosecute Hillary which was so key to his campaign, I begin to fear Trump himself could be overwhelmed by the forces he has raised. I hope that doesn't happen as the consequences would be disasterous. Which is stronger support from me for Trump than I imagined I would give.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Nov 16 - 12:15 AM

I heard a comedian say that Americans shouldn't feel so bad about this election. After all, she says, countries all over the world have been electing ridiculous leaders lately.

Hey, did you hear the one about Trump suggesting that the UK should appoint Nigel Farage as its Ambassador to the United States?

Do I hear a nervous chuckle in the crowd? A slight titter, perhaps?

Should we all be putting bare-chested Putin posters up in our living rooms? I noticed nobody has suggested bare-chested posters of Trump. That would be too disgusting.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 10:07 PM

By way of apology


Some people like Trump do not forgive or uh forget.
Despots often make anti defamation and treason laws to protect their name and regime. Egypt Iran, Turkey, Russia, NK, Sa are all places not to make fun of the grand poobah.

If tweets can cause strokes, Donald should avoid them.

Who knows, there coul be books about Trump's supersesitivity.

'Miss Maples and the Death Tweet.'

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 07:46 PM

"DARKNESS IS POWER. Dick Cheney. Satan. That's power. It only helps us when they get it wrong. When they're blind to who we are and what we are doing"

Steve Bannon



While this quote is not exactly incoherent, it makes a better heavy metal lyric.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Stanron
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 07:40 PM

Anyone got any questions?

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 06:48 PM

And this just in!

HEIL TRUMP! Complete with Nazi salutes!!!

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/richard-spencer-speech-npi/508379/

Ake must be proud.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 06:13 PM

PS: The Alabama State Motto:

Thank God for Mississippi!

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 06:02 PM

TRUMP: MAKE AMERIKKKA WHITE AGAIN !!

Jeff Sessions' Other Civil Rights Problem
By THOMAS J. SUGRUENOV. 21, 2016

In 1956, as a way to sidestep Brown v. Board of Education, Alabama voters amended the state Constitution to deprive students of a right to public education. Public support for school funding collapsed in its aftermath. By the early 1990s, huge disparities in funding separated Alabama's haves and have-nots.

Judge Eugene W. Reese of the Alabama Circuit Court found the inequitable funding unconstitutional and ordered the state to come up with a system to remedy the inequity.

Alabama Attorney General Sessions led the battle against the decision. He argued that Judge Reese had overreached. It was a familiar war cry on the segregationist right: An activist court was usurping the power of the state's duly elected officials to solve the problem on their own. Mr. Sessions was lauded by fellow Republicans for his efforts. They saw funding inequities as part of the natural order of things, not as a problem to be remedied.

Advocates of school equity cried foul. "They're asking for the last 50 years to disappear, as far as improving public education," complained C. C. Torbert, the former chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court and the lawyer for the poor districts, about Mr. Sessions and his allies. Special-education and disability organizations were especially outraged: the poorest districts could not provide even basic services to students in need. If Mr. Sessions won, he would "consign an ever-growing number of Alabama schoolchildren to an unconstitutionally inadequate and inequitable education."

Finally, in 1997, the Alabama Supreme Court upheld Judge Reese's finding that the state's educational inequity was unconstitutional. But, as Mr. Sessions (by then a senator) had hoped, the court left the remedy to the state's increasingly conservative Legislature, which made only modest changes in the state's school funding structure.

Alabama's public schools, still underfunded, still separate and unequal, ranked near the bottom nationally, stand as one of Jeff Sessions' most enduring legacies.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/21/opinion/jeff-sessions-other-civil-rights-problem.html

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 04:27 PM

Capitalism is regulated. The pendulum swings from highly regulated stability to free swinging exploitation crashes.

example- 1940 to gilded age

An America POV.


Donald Trump is as American as store bought apple pie.
Subject to discrimination, never as good as home made and customers agree the pie is a poor imitation of the real thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 03:31 PM

I think that it is pretty much known now that communism did not work. It suffered from the same issues as capitalism in that it benefited the ruling elite far more than the proletariat. There are benefits to both systems but they must both be tempered with something else. What do we do? Responsibly controlled capitalism? Communism with consumer control? I really don't know and, as that is one of the questions that has been worrying the top economic minds for centuries, I don't think it is going to be solved by soap box politicians on a folk music forum.

In my opinion.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 02:56 PM

Thoughtful observation on Brexit by Michéal Martin - not a man I would readily take ac cue from (apart from his Christ-like achievement of making Irish pubs smoker-free zones).

MARTIN CRITICISES BREXIT BRAND OF NATIONALISM
FF Leader calls for greater urgency to tackle Britain's departure from EU
We will not join them in their right-wing ideology
TIM O'BRIEN

Micheál Martin has claimed Ireland will not fall into the trap of "backward-looking nationalism" as the British did over Brexit.
Vowing the Irish "are not going to join the English in their desire to repeal the 20th century", the Fianna Fáil leader used the occasion of the commemoration of former IRA man and later government minister Seán Moylan yesterday to claim "a hard Brexit is already under way".
Mr Martin said Britain had become "suspicious of outsiders and committed to the historically false idea that you don't need strong international bodies to secure lasting cooperation and prosperity between nations".
"We will not join them in their right-wing ideology of trade rules with no social dimension and no enforceable laws," he said.
But he also acknowledged Brexit could be tough on Irish industries which rely on Britain as a key export market.
He called for the EU to allow Ireland to suspend rules on State aid to support industries which take a hit as a result of Brexit.
"In the five months since the UK's Brexit vote the only things which are clear are that their policy is a shambles and that it is already causing real damage on this island. Brexit is not something which is happening in two [years' time], it is happening now."
Mr Martin said Ireland desperately needed a new urgency and ambition in Government to deal with the fallout of Brexit and other rising threats internationally.
"The unprecedented decline in sterling may soon be followed by new barriers to trade," he said. "We can't stand by and;let this slow-motion crash happen."
Mr Martin said the Irish nationalism evident in the commemorations held this year was "open and generous".
"[The events] respected diversity and promoted the idea of reconciliation," he said.
He said, the people of Ireland had shown "how to look to the past in order to help understand who we are and to draw inspiration for our future".
"This has been a powerful testimony to the fact that patriotism can be the mark of an inclusive, modern republic.
"At this grave, dark moment in world affairs we should never stop reminding ourselves of the republican spirit which has defined our modern history and should de¬fine how we face the future."

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Stu
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 02:48 PM

"Capitalism cannot be reformed, you either allow it to run efficiently or scrap it"

Reformed isn't the correct word for dealing with capitalism. It is utterly incapable of self regulation so it's up to governments to ensure they act responsibly and if necessary hold them to account.

Nice to see that the alt-right under May is now going to lower corporation tax for the corporate elite and was lying about having workers on the board. Meanwhile, in the US Trump is going to be a part-time president as he uses the position to further his business interests. Anti-establishment? The billionaire corporatist is already lining his own pocket and lining up his own family to help run the US.

This is why capitalism should be regulated; now we have a hard right billionaire and member of the global elite as the most powerful person on the planet. He will NOT help those who voted for him, and the Brexiteers are deluded if they think they're going to get a better life with their tory pals in charge.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 01:52 PM

Another like from me. Or is it a ten from Len?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 01:46 PM

Le Pen ptwo ! I spit in her general direction. Always have. Always will.



Incoherence is relative. The less you know about a subject matter the more incoherent it will seem to you. You will never get the jokes.

Actually it is very difficult for human beings to be deliberately incoherent. Pathological incoherence is not deliberate.

Look what you do to google when you type in an incoherent phrase like twirl in the nabe. It latches onto a known word and scatters from there.


Which weighs more, a Fermion, a Hooperon or a WIMP?
I think a dark matter boson weighs more.

Just because we are not sure of the answer does not make the question incoherent.

Personally I find the Harlow-McGrath-Carrol debates incoherent, until they are not.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 09:44 AM

Methinks we may see a few French people apologising soon.

Marine Le Pen mightier than the sordid!

It is a global symptom of something, I can't fully put my finger on. I do blame global warming - or global weirding & the devastation it generates. Add in social media, and its abuse by agenda driven activists. But there must be other stimuli converging to create these interesting times we are living in. Bankers, that's it, we MUST blame the bankers. No analysis is complete without that!

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 07:30 AM

" I am a socialist who believes in changing the economic system"
No 'Socialist' attacked the left as you have - it would be an indication of schizophrenia
"you are a "liberal who thinks the lot of our people can be improved within the present economic framework.
"That is not liberalism" -
Every socialist movement in history has fought for a betterment of conditions within the system as well as advocating a chenge in the system - Marx. Lenin, Trotsky. Gallagher, Gollan. Palme Dutt, Rothstein..... every single one.
Of course Capitalism cannot be reformed, but it doesn't mean you don't fight against its worst aspects while it exists - thatis tantamount tooing s.f.a. and giving it permission to take us wherever it wants us to go.
Your support for every reactionary right wing aspect of this society, from forcing refugees to wear armbands to deporting those refugees, right throug to your hatred of social minorities, particularly homosexuals makes it clear what foot you kick with.
Your support for Trump makes you a fascist, and your refusal to respond to his stated policies makes you a cowardly fascist.
Know thyself - you are no more a socialist than your new friend, Donald T.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but that's exactly what you are.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 07:14 AM

Nothing inconsistent in what I write Jim, I am a socialist who believes in changing the economic system, you are a "liberal who thinks the lot of our people can be improved within the present economic framework.

Latest news, Capitalism cannot be reformed, you either allow it to run efficiently or scrap it.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 04:52 AM

"nonsense, can the left not come up with"
A further step out of the closet, after protesting about being accused of referring to "Lefties|" - wrongly last time, but maybe somebody is faking Ake's postings now!!
Your slip is showing Ake - being "socialist" as you claim, is being left by definition - you are an extremist right-winger - no socialist, by any efinition, can be that.
The term must come from the same dictionary that you got your "liberal" from.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 03:40 AM

I don't mind reading people's musings, but personal comments should be backed up by some sort of validation.

Only to be followed by

I was of course quite willing to ignore it until a cheerleading troll popped up.

And then

Insulting people is no sort of answer.

I am certainly not going to get into any exchange of insults but I feel obliged to both point out the hypocrisy of the above post and defend myself from the scurrilous accusations cast. Not that I should need to justify myself but in this case i think the record needs to be set straight.

My like of Donuel's post was for the clever pun used 'A great Ake (ache) where the heart used to be'. I am very surprised if anyone really took offense at his post and I strongly suspect that the poster in question is simply using it as an excuse to justify a personal attack on myself. As we aware, such attacks are not permitted on Mudcat so that post should really be deleted, as have others before, but I am willing to let it remain as an example of what not to do.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 03:38 AM

I find it amazing that the few Trump supporters here refuse to respond to what the man has said about himeself and his own beliefs.
He is an all-but-declared racist, an open misogynist who regards women as available meat for the pleasure of men, his policy on Climate Change is ecological suicide for the planet, he is a practicing hate-monger and he has appointed a Jew-hater into office.....
The best defence for this I have heard so far is that he may not carry any of this out - doesn't alter on iota the thug at the top who has been elected into office.
How about letting us here if that's what his supported want for America and the world?
Nice to see the extremists tumbling out of their closets though - hope you brought your sunglassed Ake!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: akenaton
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 02:58 AM

The part of Don's post which referred to me , I found incoherent.

I don't mind reading people's musings, but personal comments should be backed up by some sort of validation.

i.e."Soon everyone shall know a great Ake where ther heart used to be."......."Ake the merciless shall punish the meek"

What absolute nonsense. I was of course quite willing to ignore it until a cheerleading troll popped up.

What is the point of this sort of nonsense, can the left not come up with something more relevant to the crisis which we face all over Western developed nations?
I have yet to hear any left wing solution to the problems created by Globalism ......how are we going to construct a proper society within the current framework?   Insulting people is no sort of answer.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 20 Nov 16 - 09:40 PM

Be accurate in your complaints, aken. Donuel's post there was far from "incoherent".

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Nov 16 - 05:02 PM

It took me a while but I got there! In case anyone else is wondering Paul is referring to this post. I think!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Paul Burke
Date: 20 Nov 16 - 04:28 PM

Of course whatever he does now will be criticised by one extreme or the other, but I reckon the haters on here are willing him to fail!

Nailed your colours to the mast finally. Haters? Yes. Your religion is rubbish. You are a posing liar. I said this years ago, when you were posing as a naive christian. One extreme or the other? YOU ARE THE EXTREME.

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Nov 16 - 01:27 PM

Sorry, but new thoughts keep occurring. If the post was incoherent, how can anyone know it was a personal attack?

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Nov 16 - 12:29 PM

Oh, but if anyone feels that I have personally attacked them, I unreservedly apoligise. Let me know what you feel the attack is and I shall try to avoid it in future.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Our Apology
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Nov 16 - 11:58 AM

No personal attack involved at all. Simply some clever puns. I suggest that anyone who thinks Donuels post was a personal attack re-reads it. Saying it was incoherent could well be an attack on the post and/or those who understood it but I will give them the benefit of the doubt and say they are just on a different wavelength.

:D tG