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BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Raggytash 15 Jul 18 - 03:44 PM
Iains 15 Jul 18 - 03:10 PM
Jim Carroll 15 Jul 18 - 03:03 PM
Dave the Gnome 15 Jul 18 - 02:42 PM
Raggytash 15 Jul 18 - 02:12 PM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jul 18 - 02:07 PM
Backwoodsman 15 Jul 18 - 01:50 PM
Dave the Gnome 15 Jul 18 - 01:13 PM
Backwoodsman 15 Jul 18 - 01:07 PM
DMcG 15 Jul 18 - 01:01 PM
Backwoodsman 15 Jul 18 - 12:59 PM
Nigel Parsons 15 Jul 18 - 12:54 PM
DMcG 15 Jul 18 - 12:34 PM
Jim Carroll 15 Jul 18 - 11:58 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Jul 18 - 11:53 AM
Donuel 15 Jul 18 - 11:29 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Jul 18 - 11:16 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Jul 18 - 10:54 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jul 18 - 10:39 AM
Nigel Parsons 15 Jul 18 - 10:35 AM
David Carter (UK) 15 Jul 18 - 10:35 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Jul 18 - 09:27 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Jul 18 - 09:27 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Jul 18 - 09:20 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jul 18 - 09:13 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jul 18 - 09:12 AM
Iains 15 Jul 18 - 09:08 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jul 18 - 09:04 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Jul 18 - 08:58 AM
Keith A of Hertford 15 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Jul 18 - 08:06 AM
Iains 15 Jul 18 - 04:19 AM
Jim Carroll 15 Jul 18 - 03:46 AM
Backwoodsman 15 Jul 18 - 03:03 AM
DMcG 15 Jul 18 - 02:55 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:44 PM

Hmmm Iains,

I presume there no little,if any, response was because people like yourself could not generate a single reasoned argument to counter what is being said by hundreds of financial, business and political commentators, some of whom could be considered experts in their field.

However you could prove me wrong by posting from people in similiar postions who can provide some good forecasts.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:10 PM

Raggedttash Sensible comments generate sensible responses. As you have no doubt noticed, much of the time your comments are totally ignored. This should tell you something.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:03 PM

"How can there be any news?"
Brexit has not happened.
Remainers keep making bad forecasts."
ONLY REMAINERS - YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:42 PM

Another one that should be completely ignored, Raggy. You cannot reason with the unreasonable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:12 PM

Iains re your post of 04.19, In the past weeks, months, nay last two years I have posted numerous comments against our leaving the EU together with numerous links to my sources.

Not once have you made any argument against anything contained in those links and now you have the temerity to suggest I do not contribute.

I would, politely, request that you post something that remainers could consider to be good news.

However I will not hold my breath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:07 PM

Brexit has not happened. How can there be any news?
Remainers keep making bad forecasts. That is not news.
Leavers do not bother because they have already won. We are leaving.

Having said that, The Sunday Times article I quoted earlier was very positive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 01:50 PM

Repeat after me, Dave - "There. Is. No. Good. BrexShit. News".


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 01:13 PM

Nearly 6000 posts and how many of them quote good news about brexit? It makes me cringe to see some on here, who rely on experts for most of their arguments elsewhere, completely denying 99% of expert opinion on why leaving Europe is a bad thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 01:07 PM

"You all will be distracted by insults and getting down in the weeds of minutia but keep your eyes on the big picture of power grabs by the rich."

Yes, Don - precisely what I've been saying ever since the BrexShit (your delicate sensibilities upset by that word again, Keefy? Tough...errrrmm....shit!) debacle began. The Leave Campaign was a tool of those people - designed to press the racist, xenophobic, and nationalistic buttons of a group of permanently-dissatisfied people who were looking for a scapegoat for every perceived 'injustice' and drawing their eyes away from the ball with their red buses, and meaningless slogans.

BrexShit has never been anything whatsoever to do with the people "Taking are cuntry back", or 'Taking Back Control', but everything to do with a tiny group of immensely-wealthy people Taking Back Control for their own purposes. They needed a lot of easily-deluded people to fall for the BrexShit bullshit and bollocks and, by virtue of a deceitful campaign of their own and a badly-run, flawed Remain campaign, they found them - 17 million of them.

I made a prediction, when Theresa May became PM, that a way to prevent the lunacy of BrexShit happening would eventually, one way or another, be found, and that is looking more and more likely with every farcical day that passes.

Please God, give us a sign and make it so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 01:01 PM

Precisely so, Nigel. You are implying that because it came after the meeting that caused the release. Perhaps, perhaps not: maybe Airbus had decided to publish anyway and simply warned the remainers. Claiming it is a 'put up job' may be a suspicion, but no evidence is given.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 12:59 PM

"BWM, no one person gets to decide such things."

I named two, both very influential, at least one of them with a large 'fan club'. You can be certain there are more. And you can be absolutely certain they will spread their ideas very far and very wide. After all, a multi-millionaire ex-stockbroker, and a nasty Eton Old-Boy had no problem persuading you and 17 million others, by a series of oft-repeated lies, to see things 'their way'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 12:54 PM

I'm not suggesting that the forecast was inaccurate, but that it found its way into the papers shortly prior to the Chequers meeting in order that it could be used as an indication of possible problems coming from Brexit.

Airbus bosses are furious after the Government spurred them to publish a dire forecast of the impact of Brexit before handing a prize £2bn RAF contract to US rival Boeing without a competition.

The Telegraph has learnt that last month’s bombshell warning from Airbus that it could be forced to leave the UK came after discussions with senior Remainer ministers preparing for the Chequers summit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 12:34 PM

On Airbus: That is reading a great deal between the lines, Nigel. The article suggests that Airbus were encouraged to release the forecast. There is nothing to suggest the forecast was anything other than Airbus' genuine opinion - or at least not in the section I can read before the paywall obscures things. So referring it it as "a put up job" is not something you would allow anyone else to get away with, I think.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:58 AM

"Brexiteers have an easier job of neglecting poverty, promoting inequality and lighting bonfires for racism."

AND THIS


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:53 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:16 AM
but I would question its accuracy (even if it is from the Telegraph):
'Course you would Nigel - why wouldn't you
It doesn't make it any less true
It has also appeared in The Guardian and the Independent - and Reurers carried out


Jim,
I made perfectly clear why I doubted its accuracy. It claimed that the top tax rate had fallen between the 1980s and 2011 whereas in fact it had risen. The fact that the article appeared in several places does not increase its credibility. (except with the extremely credulous)


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:29 AM

Hold the fort Backwoodsman along with your other antibrexiteers. You all will be distracted by insults and getting down in the weeds of minutia but keep your eyes on the big picture of power grabs by the rich.

On the other hand, Brexiteers have an easier job of neglecting poverty, promoting inequality and lighting bonfires for racism.
You all have a chance to be a world leader like America in child poverty, incarceration and bad health out comes. You have gone from income inequalties of 6 to 1 and now 12 to one with a final goal outcome of 20 to 1. Why envy American examples of certain corporate incomes of 200 to 1 when you too can send income distribution soaring to the top.

The way I see it is that you are for a government with a social contract or you are for destroying that social contract.

Cap't Obvious


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 11:16 AM

but I would question its accuracy (even if it is from the Telegraph):
'Course you would Nigel - why wouldn't you
It doesn't make it any less true
It has also appeared in The Guardian and the Independent - and Reurers carried out
Don't you start Trump's "fake News" ploy
It is perfectly in line with what has ben happemin for several years now
SOME FIGURES

"Yes Jim, we buy their stuff but they buy much less of ours, leaving us "
You said they don't want ours - you lied


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 10:54 AM

After the recent story about the possibility of Airbus pulling out of UK following Brexit, it seems the announcement may have been a put-up job to support a government trying to find other reasons to water-down Brexit. Sunday Telegraph


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 10:39 AM

Yes Jim, we buy their stuff but they buy much less of ours, leaving us with a nasty deficit. US and the rest of the world appreciate what we offer and will want to buy even more when there can be free trade.

BWM, no one person gets to decide such things.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 10:35 AM

From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:46 AM

MAINTAINING BRITISH STANDARDS
Jim Carroll


Interesting link, but I would question its accuracy (even if it is from the Telegraph):
The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, a leading economic forum, said that the wealthiest tenth of society now earn 12 times as much as the poorest, up from eight times as much in the 1980s.

In addition the amount of total income taken by the top 1 per cent of earners - including bankers, managers and executives - has doubled to 14 per cent.

By contrast, the top tax rate has fallen while benefits for the poorest have become less generous.


The article is from 2011, at which time the top rate of income tax was 50% the highest it had been since 1990, so hardly matching the claim which I've included in bold

While the inclusion of one false premise doesn't automatically invalidate the whole article, it does call into question the reliability of the article.
I am, of course, assuming that all the comments follow on from the first and that he is comparing 'now' (2011) with the 1980s. This is on the basis that he doesn't state any other dates for comparison.

HMRC's list of historic top rates (from 1990) can be seen Here


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 10:35 AM

"We buy their stuff but they do not want ours, so we need to sell our stuff elsewhere."

What we need to do is make better stuff. We do not need a trade surplus in a world of floating exchange rates.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:27 AM

"Thanks Jim, but the fact remains we have a big trade deficit with EU,"
"they do not want ours,"
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:27 AM

Bugger, so busy thinking about the shit that is BrexShit, I forgot to claim 5900!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:20 AM

" We can raise, lower or maintain them because we will be in control not Brussels. No-one wants lower standards."

Jake Rich-Mong (conceivably a future PM) and Demonic Raab both want to lower them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:13 AM

Who wants 5900?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:12 AM

Sunday Times today,
"In an interview with the Sunday Times Magazine, New Zealander Crawford Falconer said “the world is begging for the UK to be able to trade with” and that opportunities from new trade deals were “enormous” after Brexit.
Falconer said the EU “travels as fast as the slowest carriage in the train” and Britain can now “move faster and further with our trading partners”. But he also warned that Brexit would require a “change of mindset within the business community” to focus on markets outside the EU."
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/world-begging-for-deals-with-us-says-uk-trade-chief-7qd7qpcbx


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:08 AM

"What really makes me smile is that, far from 'taking back control...."

Perhaps we should!

http://truepublica.org.uk/united-kingdom/the-truth-about-britains-migrant-numbers/
Based on what we eat, one big supermarket chain reckons there are 80 million people living in the UK.

and A major, non-commercial agricultural institution reckoned at the time that there were 77 million people in the UK. Again, its reckoning was based on what was being eaten.

I wonder what the true figures are?
How many slid in on Labour's watch and did not leave?

Cue the usual nonsense from the usual remainiacs about the source not the content!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 09:04 AM

Thanks Jim, but the fact remains we have a big trade deficit with EU, but a nice trade surplus with US and with the rest of the world despite not being able to offer them free trade yet.

Luckily our non EU trade is already increasing while EU trade is shrinking as a proportion of our trade (OK David?)


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:58 AM

"they do not want ours,"
/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-map-shows-which-eu-countries-buy-the-most-british-stuff-a7185746.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:47 AM

David,
The very idea that being able to buy French wine and cheese, Spanish and Italian cured meats, Polish sausage, German cars, Dutch and Belgian fruit and vegetables is a drain is laughable beyond comprehension.

Then something is lacking in your comprehension David. We buy their stuff but they do not want ours, so we need to sell our stuff elsewhere. Non-EU countries already buy lots of our stuff and will by more when we can offer them free trade.

BWM, must you put so much "shit" in your posts. It is unpleasant and must deter people from expressing a view you may not hold.
the degree to which we will be able to lower standards after the insanity of BrexShit…
We can raise, lower or maintain them because we will be in control not Brussels. No-one wants lower standards.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 08:06 AM

THeresa May has just appeared on television sneering at Trump's suggestion that she should sue the E.U.

Meanwhile, back at the Pig Farm, the Government's Minister for Small Businesses and personal adviser to the P.M. has been forced to resign for sending over 20,000 sexual texts to 2 women
Comforting to know the British economy is in such responsible hands
What goes on BEHIND CABINET DOORS
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 04:19 AM

Hoops, hoops and ever more hoops.

A stunning contribution to the discussion. I do not know why the flyweight laddie bothers. One day he might actually contribute something of note.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:46 AM

MAINTAINING BRITISH STANDARDS
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 03:03 AM

What really makes me smile is that, far from 'taking back control', the Leave voters have handed complete control to a bunch of people whose only interest in ordinary people is as a source of wealth for the already-immensely-wealthy - the (in)famous 'Upward Flow of Wealth'. Which, of course, is the true reason for Brexit.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:55 AM

You did post some comments, Backwoodsman, but I don't think there was a link. But in any case, we can imagine the response 'quoted out of context', 'a biased summary', 'reviewer has their own agenda'.

Which is why I recommend reading the book he wrote. But do what I have done and order a copy from the library - no point paying him for the privilege of reading his ideals.


In Chapter 4, entitled ‘Work Ethic’, we explore the nature of the work ethic in South Korea, Singapore and Hong Kong and contrast this to that found in Britain. We ask ourselves, ‘What is it about these countries that makes them so dynamic?’ In this chapter we look at the way in which the state has made Britons idle. Our culture of instant gratification ignores the years of persistence that lie behind real success. Too many people in Britain, we argue, prefer a lie-in to hard work.


....


But changing Britain’s fortunes needs a relentless energy and determined focus. Vitally we will need to be tougher in taking on vested interests. These occur in lots of guises, through bureaucratic inertia, and many of the perks which a generous welfare state lavished on previous generations. We have to ensure that the general climate for business is attractive. This means that we should stop indulging in irrelevant debates about sharing the pie between manufacturing and services, the north and the south, women and men. Instead, we should focus on trying to make it easier for firms to recruit people and ensuring the tax burden is less onerous.


"Easier to recruit people" is elaborated later into hire-and-fire policies, reduced rights like paid holidays, longer hours ...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 02:39 AM

I thought I'd linked to a piece about Demonic (sic) Raab and his plans for impoverishing the vast majority of the nation. A very scary man, and a thoroughly nasty piece of work.

When I read about these leading movers and shakers in the Brexit debacle, I'm at a complete loss to understand the excitement, enthusiasm and unconcealed joy, of our Brexit-supporters on here. It's very obvious that life in the UK won't be, by any means, a bed of roses for any of us when "Weev taken are cuntry back". 'Politico-Economic Masochists' is about the only phrase I'm able to rustle-up to describe them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 15 Jul 18 - 01:39 AM

I'll repost the link to Jacob Ress-Moggs vision regarding the degree to which we will be able to lower standards after the insanity of BrexShit...

And you can also read how Dominic Raab - the Brexit Secretary, lest we forget - wants to lower employment and welfare standards (like pensions, for example) - in his ideal world, in his book "Britannia Unchained"

His views on funding the NHS are also worth considering.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:16 PM

"We will continue to guarantee standards. We can even raise them if we choose because it will be decided by us not Brussels. Do you think UK incapable of setting standards for ourselves?"

As you seem to have missed it the first time or, more likely, you're ignoring it because it doesn't fit your agenda, I'll repost the link to Jacob Ress-Moggs vision regarding the degree to which we will be able to lower standards after the insanity of BrexShit...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 04:00 PM

Raggy, you are right, it isn't worth it. The very idea that being able to buy French wine and cheese, Spanish and Italian cured meats, Polish sausage, German cars, Dutch and Belgian fruit and vegetables is a drain is laughable beyond comprehension. Just completely bonkers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:51 PM

DMcG, We choose the standards we will accept. We import chicken from the Far-East already. It meets EU standards but we have to charge a tariff.

Dave,
Talks of trade deficits with the EU taken in isolation are yet another example of statistical manipulation.

I did not take it in isolation. EU trade is a drain us. Non-EU trade is enriching us. Increasing the good trade and reducing the bad will make us more prosperous.

Unlikely. For a start EU regulations guarantee quality, hygiene and environmental standards.

We will continue to guarantee standards. We can even raise them if we choose because it will be decided by us not Brussels. Do you think UK incapable of setting standards for ourselves?

David,
They don't even impinge upon the nation's economy even if it isn't. Because the supply of money is not fixed.

How does that work David? Just borrow more when it runs out?

DMcG,
And, as we repeatly say, the EU risks are not just financial, but also social and political. So to behave as if all the matters is the money is to delude oneself. While the money is important, obviously, it is only one aspect, and a financial loss to the EU that preserves their other interests may be quite acceptable to them.

We are already aligned with them socially and politically. So far money is all they have wanted to talk about.

Rag, no-one has to do what you tell them. The rest of us are discussing the issues. Will you join in or just keep giving "suggestions" to people.?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:19 PM

David Carter, Can I suggest to you that you are wasting your time.

Hoops, hoops and ever more hoops.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 03:18 PM

"And, as we repeatly say, the EU risks are not just financial, but also social and political"
Yes indeed:
Greece
Cypriot haircuts
Catalonia
To say nothing of a major falling out over uncontrolled immigration
Merkel hanging in on a wing and a prayer
Macron despised by his countrymen
To name but a few problems within the EU

The promised land of milk and honey is becoming a tad curdled, and the honey turned out to be a myth.
Better off out I suggest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:44 PM

And, as we repeatly say, the EU risks are not just financial, but also social and political. So to behave as if all the matters is the money is to delude oneself. While the money is important, obviously, it is only one aspect, and a financial loss to the EU that preserves their other interests may be quite acceptable to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:36 PM

"Talks of trade deficits with the EU taken in isolation are yet another example of statistical manipulation."
The thread had kind of drifted away from EU/UK to a more general thesis
that the wealth of the nation increases by the value of the goods received and counters to that idea. A trade deficit is only meaningful when considering total imports/exports. No One is going to argue with that! The only point of raising deficits in terms of UK/EU trade is to indicate that in monetary terms the EU risks more than the UK should negotiations fail, £302 billion/£242 billion in the last recorded year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:29 PM

"Trade deficits do not impinge on the nation's economy as long as the deficit with one partner is countered by a surplus with another."

They don't even impinge upon the nation's economy even if it isn't. Because the supply of money is not fixed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:27 PM

"Outside EU we could buy like for like cheaper."

Unlikely. For a start EU regulations guarantee quality, hygiene and environmental standards.

DMcG says that regulation is a bigger stumbling block that tariffs, and this is right. And those regulations work in our favour as consumers, they mean that we are not being fed the kind of shit that the US agricultural industry would force on us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:26 PM

Here's Jake Rich-Mong's ideas about 'Post Brexit Life in the UK - for Nigel's benefit this is not 'just my opinion', but factual reporting by one of our responsible and trustworthy newspapers, The Independent....welcome to Teribus's proudly proclaimed 'Promised Land'!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:08 PM

I have raised this several times before but there is quite an obsession here about tariffs. When Trump was saying a deal was not possible it was nothing to do with tariffs. Nor, when he changed his view was it about tariffs.

It was and is regulation that is the primary stumbling block. Juat talking tariffs the whole time is completely missing the main issue.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 02:03 PM

Trade deficits do not impinge on the nation's economy as long as the deficit with one partner is countered by a surplus with another. I have a trade deficit with my local pub. I spend £50 a week there but the landlord never buys anything off me. I am not likely to go bankrupt because of this because I get income and elsewhere. Talks of trade deficits with the EU taken in isolation are yet another example of statistical manipulation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jul 18 - 01:04 PM

David, what would be my motive for lying about this? It is nauseatingly elitist to proclaim that everyone who believes in Brexit is ignorant or lying.

Facts are open to interpretation, but I have only stated facts.

If an economic unit buys more than it sells, i.e. spends more than it earns, however "nice" and "shiny" the things it buys it will go broke.

Our EU trade is heavily in deficit. Our world trade is not. In proportion (OK now?) our EU trade is dwindling while other trade is growing.

The point of EU tariffs is to protect EU producers from foreign competition. Outside EU we could buy like for like cheaper.


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