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BS: Post Brexit life in the UK

Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 06:36 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 06:32 PM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 06:10 PM
Iains 23 Apr 18 - 05:50 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 04:52 PM
Raggytash 23 Apr 18 - 04:18 PM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 04:16 PM
Raggytash 23 Apr 18 - 03:40 PM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 03:14 PM
Iains 23 Apr 18 - 03:04 PM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 12:57 PM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Apr 18 - 12:24 PM
Iains 23 Apr 18 - 10:30 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 10:13 AM
Donuel 23 Apr 18 - 10:10 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 10:10 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Apr 18 - 09:50 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Apr 18 - 09:40 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 09:34 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 09:29 AM
bobad 23 Apr 18 - 09:10 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 09:10 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 08:59 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 08:51 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 08:35 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 08:07 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 08:05 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 08:01 AM
Donuel 23 Apr 18 - 07:35 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 06:57 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 06:44 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 06:37 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 06:28 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 06:25 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 06:18 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 06:14 AM
Steve Shaw 23 Apr 18 - 05:59 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 05:59 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 05:43 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Apr 18 - 04:59 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Apr 18 - 04:56 AM
Dave the Gnome 23 Apr 18 - 04:55 AM
Nigel Parsons 23 Apr 18 - 04:51 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Apr 18 - 04:51 AM
DMcG 23 Apr 18 - 04:44 AM
Keith A of Hertford 23 Apr 18 - 04:38 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:36 PM

I actually cross-posted with you there despite the time discrepancy - unbeknownst to me my post hadn't taken; fortunately I'd copied it before my failed submit...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:32 PM

But there is a big difference between voting for a government that can be ousted after four or five years and voting for what is in effect, in your or my lifetime anyway, an irrevocable decision to leave the EU, with all the complex implications that go with it. Parenthetically, note that a decision to remain would NOT have been irrevocable - we just have another vote, innit, an internal UK matter. In fact, that's what we've done - it's just that the next vote was 41 years after the last one, that's all. What I'd do about it is keep the current electoral system in place (tweaked? Discuss...) but NEVER have referendums. I thought remain was a shoo-in but I still vehemently argued against having the referendum, using the same argument as here. I'm sure my posts in that regard are checkable, though I'm not bothering.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:10 PM

I'd say you go for a system very like the one we have now, where people elect politicians, who take the decisions and after four or five years they can throw them out.

What you don't do is confuse that by having referendums where MPs are unable to do what some believe to be sensible in order to satisfy people with "zero of little knowledge of the issues".


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 05:50 PM

Giving the average voter an opportunity to vote is stupid. Most have zero to little knowledge of the issues, or short and long term implications of each particular outcome. Arguing about who knew what prior to a vote is futile because of what I stated above.
   The real problem is:It is a deeply flawed system but, in order to preserve democracy, what could you replace it with?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:52 PM

"A vote to leave the EU meant precisely that and included all the garbage that sails with her."

If you're including the customs union and single market in that "garbage," Iains, then that's incorrect, as is proven by the nations that subscribe to them yet are not members of the EU. We can leave the EU but stay in one or both of those. Before the vote a large percentage of prospective leave voters didn't exactly see it your way, according to that YouGov poll. I suppose they were just confused. Which could mean that the result was affected by a lot of confused voters. That's worrying, innit...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:18 PM

Thanks DMcG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:16 PM

here you are, Raggytash.


At the time of posting that weed smoking bunch of hippies the House of Lords has defeated the Governemt three times and extracted at least one and arguably two concessions. Such revisions of proposed law is their role in our Parliamentary system, as we all know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Raggytash
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 03:40 PM

The fishing industry has been commented on recently. An article in todays Guardian by Polly Toynbee helps to refute some of the claims that have been made by posters on here.

Could someone kindly do the honours and supply a link to it.

There article tag line is "Propaganda delivered the Brexit vote but it can't land more fish"

Thanks


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 03:14 PM

You seem to have forgotten that the whole point of the Withdrawal Bill is to move certain EU laws and regulations into the domain of the U.K. Law. These laws are ones that could be moved, just like the rest. Or are you suggesting no laws at all should be moved under the Withdrawal Bill, in which case there would be no point in the government bringing the Bill in the first place.

I was never a hippy, by the way., as photos from my Univeristy days demonstrate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 03:04 PM

A vote to leave the EU meant precisely that and included all the garbage that sails with her. Existing legislation may be retained, modified, or junked. Your continuing drivel about it meant this or it meant that is simply drivel. Leave means leave. This must be the only forum around where a simple word like leave finds dispute as to it's meaning. You all sound like a bunch of aged hippies that have been at the weed for too long.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 12:57 PM

BREAKING:Government defeated on EU Charter of Fundamental Rights

EU Withdrawal Bill

House of Lords

Parliament

Peers vote 316 to 245 for crossbencher Lord Pannick's amendment, which aims to ensure that the majority of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights is carried over to form part of domestic law

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No doubt we will be assured that in the referendum vote people were insisting they didn't want their rights protected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 12:24 PM

Dave,
Apparently they(the opposition) are there to support the government.

No-one said any such thing Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Iains
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 10:30 AM

https://ukconstitutionallaw.org/tag/role-of-opposition-parties/


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 10:13 AM

"The Race Relations Act of 1965 outlaws discrimination on 'the grounds of colour, race or ethnic or national origin."

Again, implicit in that is that discrimination can be on the grounds of race, or of national origin. The two are clearly different, so while it may be discrimination, it is not racism.


By that logic, it isn't racist to discriminate on grounds of colour then either! Colour and race as just as separated in that definition as are race and national origin. Tell us why you think it's called the RACE Relations Act, Nigel...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 10:10 AM

Ignorance? 25% of Americans do not know there are 3 branches of government or how many Supreme Court judges there are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 10:10 AM

The opposition are only there to oppose if they believe that what the government is doing requires opposition.
They were fairly strongly behind the government's decision to issue article 50. But maybe that was self-preservation.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 09:50 AM

BTW - I am suitably gobsmacked by an earlier post. I always understood the purpose of HM opposition was to, well, oppose. Now I learn that that is not the case. Apparently they are there to support the government. Jeremy should be blowing kisses at Theresa rather than giving her a hard time. You learn something new every day on here...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 09:40 AM

If discrimination against those of a different national origin is not racist because it implicitly mentioned then antisemitism is not racist either.

Everyone understands that racism covers discrimination against anyone of a different origin, culture or religion and the fact that you performing linguistic handsprings on such a trivial point goes to show that you have nothing serious to add.

Following you line of reasoning there is no such thing as raciam at all because we all belong to the human race.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 09:34 AM

The very concept of race is problematic. It's fine to use the term racism to describe discrimination against any national or ethnic grouping not the same as your own. You don't get to revise that usage here to suit your agenda, Nigel. Stick to the argument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 09:29 AM

If something is an offence under the Race Relations Act, calling it racist is close enough for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: bobad
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 09:10 AM

How then can you categorise this as 'racist'?

When you are an ideologue most of those who disagree with you blur, in your mind, into a single broad category like racist, right winger, Islamophobe etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 09:10 AM

The Race Relations Act of 1965 outlaws discrimination on 'the grounds of colour, race or ethnic or national origin."

Again, implicit in that is that discrimination can be on the grounds of race, or of national origin. The two are clearly different, so while it may be discrimination, it is not racism.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 08:59 AM

The Race Relations Act of 1965 outlaws discrimination on 'the grounds of colour, race or ethnic or national origin."

National origin is explicitly listed, note. It is not linked to a scientific definition of race.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 08:51 AM

Much was made in the campaign about "uncontrolled" immigration, including the use of the Farage racist poster, how foreigners drive down our wages and take our jobs and bung up the NHS, etc. These were all racist allusions and there's no doubt that they pandered to a lowest common denominator of racist sentiment that exists among many people in this country. It would be unrealistic to suggest that they didn't impact the result of the vote.

Implicit in that is that you believe the inhabitants of the rest of Europe are a different 'race' when compared with the inhabitants of UK. There may be a few different racial types, such as tall blond Nordic types, or the more sun-scorched peoples from the southern countries of Europe, but I don't see that there is a distinct EU race which has notable differences from the UK race. How then can you categorise this as 'racist'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 08:35 AM

You would say that, wouldn't you, Nigel?

And I've been very consistent about opposing referendums in general. Had the remain side won, we'd be well into a campaign by the leave side for yet another vote by now. That's how it goes. And I certainly don't think that leavers are more ignorant than remainers. My (consistent) point is that the campaign left everyone far more ignorant than it should have. As for whether leavers are racist, well some definitely are. Much was made in the campaign about "uncontrolled" immigration, including the use of the Farage racist poster, how foreigners drive down our wages and take our jobs and bung up the NHS, etc. These were all racist allusions and there's no doubt that they pandered to a lowest common denominator of racist sentiment that exists among many people in this country. It would be unrealistic to suggest that they didn't impact the result of the vote.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 08:07 AM

.. who post...


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 08:05 AM

I, and Steve, and probably others if I could be bothered enough to check, have been clear the ignorance was on both sides because of a very dubious campaign on both sides.

As to whether 'the public'are ignorant: let's imagine we take 10 issues and ask 1000 members of the public whether they arise from the customs union, single market or social contract. How do you feel they would fare? I think it would be pretty bad, which would be fair enough - not everyone follows every twist and turn as intently those who lost here - were it not that the future of the country for good or ill depended on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 08:01 AM

Democracy may have a longer lifetime in England than in the US.
It already has had.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 07:35 AM

A half dozen of the most prolific posters contribute to this Britin political thread but America has no equivalence here even in the face of mass deportations and threats to arrest poitical figures.
hmm
Democracy may have a longer lifetime in England than in the US.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:57 AM

I believe that we were less in ignorance for the latest referendum, which is why we (the majority of those who voted) voted against the urgings of the majority of politicians.
A case of 'Fool me once . . .'
Of course, you no doubt believe the voters were voting in ignorance because they disagreed with your stance. That seems to be a typical remain viewpoint. "We lost the vote so the majority of the electorate must be either stupid or racist."


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:44 AM

That's the point. Neither referendum was justified. Nigel can hardly keep up his forty-year-old beef against the one whilst simultaneously lauding the other as revealing "the will of the people." Let's face it, Nigel. You can complain all you like about dirty dealings in the 1975 one, but things hadn't moved on much in that regard by 2016, had they? Anyone for the Boris bus? Farage's immigration poster? Project Fear?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:37 AM

How does being ignorant on one occasion justify being ignorant on another?


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:36 AM

"It has taken us over 40 years to get a chance to revoke that decision."

Quite so, in a second referendum. :-)

In both cases, Nigel, the electorate were ignorant of the implications of the decisions we were asked to make, far more so than the politicians we elect to steer the country in the best direction. I'm so glad you agree.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:28 AM

In other words, the electorate was in no position to make such an irrevocable decision.
No more in ignorance than those who were misled into voting to remain in the 'common market' when a conspiracy of silence prevented anyone realising exactly what the eventual programme would be.
It has taken us over 40 years to get a chance to revoke that decision.
Perhaps we should agree that we will get another vote on whether to rejoin the EU (if it survives) in 40 years time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:25 AM

Incidentally, there is no mention of customs union or single market in Article 50, which is solely concerned with a decision to leave the EU. It's then up to the EU and the withdrawing state to negotiate their future trading relationship. There are countries who are in a customs union and single market with the EU who are not EU members, lest we forget.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:18 AM

He can do what he likes. I'm posting to Mudcat Bullshit, not drawing up a legal document. That little point is as nothing compared to his persistent "will of the people" nonsense, when nothing of the kind is even remotely clear to us.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 06:14 AM

You know Nigel is going to question that 'happy'again, don't you, Steve? To do would be to miss your argument, which would b3 just as valid if you had said "prepared" instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 05:59 AM

The opposition is there to hold the government to account. As for the "will of the people," all we know is that just over a third of over-18s voted to leave the EU after a campaign of lies and distortions on both sides of the argument. We don't know, as the question wasn't asked, what the "will of the people" is when it comes to staying in a customs union with the EU, though the YouGov poll I mentioned, taken just before the referendum, suggested that almost half of prospective leave voters would have been happy to be in one. Now that poll was taken towards the end of campaigning. The fact that almost half of leave voters were still failing by then to realise that what they said they would have been happy with would have been completely at odds with all the brave talk about free trade with the world, new golden global opportunities, etc., speaks volumes about the quality of the campaign and the continuing ignorance of large sections of the electorate. In other words, the electorate was in no position to make such an irrevocable decision. Those leavers who keep on churning out this Pontius Pilate-style "will of the people" guff could do with a hefty dose of honesty therapy. If you really insist on a safety net argument to bolster your case for this rotten situation, you need a better one than that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 05:59 AM

it is the clear duty of the Opposition to ensure staying in the customs union is considered adequately.
Although, as 'the customs union' is part of the EU, they have effectively already voted to leave it by voting to issue article 50.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 05:43 AM

It was, I think, Randolph Churchill who said the duty of an opposition was to oppose. But im my opinion Keith is closer: the duty of an opposition is to challenge and thereby get the best outcome for the country.

Whichever you prefer, it is the clear duty of the Opposition to ensure staying in the customs union is considered adequately.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:59 AM

It is the oppositions job make life difficult for the government. Otherwise they are not an opposition.

Not true. The opposition can and does support the government on some issues, and always has.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:56 AM

The Guardian has just said, "Downing Street sources are now saying that, on the confidence issue point, the BBC bulletin was wrong."

The BBC bulletin was not 2 hours ago!


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:55 AM

It is the oppositions job make life difficult for the government. Otherwise they are not an opposition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:51 AM

And it would be a stupid government which defied the expressed will of the people. (or of the majority of those who voted)

It would also be a stupid opposition who tried to put the government in such a position of having to choose between the will of parliament & the will of the people.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:51 AM

It is reported they will make it a vote of confidence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:44 AM

That's so, Keith and the vote on Thursday is non-binding. But there are votes in round about a month that are binding.

It would be a brave PM who insisted a government would defy Parliament's will should such a binding vote go against them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 23 Apr 18 - 04:38 AM

BBC, 14 minutes ago,
"Brexit: Government insists UK will leave customs union."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43860453


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 Apr 18 - 05:18 PM

DO we really want the rest of the world dictating their terms for a trade deal. Australia have already said that if we reamin in a custom union with EU then forget it. It is none of the rest of thw worlds business, and if they try to impose their terms, then they can just whistle. If we are supposedly leaving EU to bring control back to the UK, themn any trade deal with the rest of the world must be on IUK's terms. Of course that wont happen, and the likelihood then is that working people in the UK will end up being 'sold-out' to globalism. So those winging that people from EU are driving down wages - ironically those who were against the minimum wage - will have something to wing about when even more compnaies follow the Dyson employment model and shaft UK workers. OF course then Tory voters will turn their venom on some other disadvantaged group - maybe it is single parents' turn again????? I am still waiting for the racists to hone in on their next target. Once they get their own way over EU, how will they address the fact that non-EU immigration alone is over their target? Will that mean more stringent conditionality - how will that bode with any future trade deal? And what happens about future EU citizens who also meet criteria - or will europeans be discriminated against? And how long will it be before UK, out of desperation slimes its way out of its responsibilities for refugee settlement? My answer to the racists wh may say so what is that it would be a lesson worth learning for their families to go through what refugees go through. On top of this, just for the satisfaction of being a pathetic little Englander stamping their feet, the rights of the population of the UK have been handed over to the whim of tory s***s who dont give a toss about anyone but themselves,


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: DMcG
Date: 22 Apr 18 - 03:36 PM

Thanks for that, Keith.


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Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Apr 18 - 03:32 PM

DMcG, here is the whole piece,

Theresa May’s team has privately admitted she may have to accept permanent membership of a European customs union, after a secret wargaming exercise concluded that even Brexiteers such as Michael Gove and David Davis would not resign in protest.
The prime minister has insisted that the UK will leave the common tariff area so it can pursue free trade deals outside the EU. But one of May’s political team told a meeting on March 20 that she and senior aides “will not be crying into our beer” if parliament forces the government’s hand — a position that will enrage some Brexiteers.

The Lords voted last week to stay in a customs union and 10 Tory MPs are expected to do so in the Commons, overturning May’s majority.
In the crunch meeting — attended by Oliver Robbins, May’s chief Brexit negotiator — officials predicted Gove and Davis would accept that outcome while only Boris Johnson and Liam Fox would be likely to quit. The foreign secretary has publicly said staying in a customs union would be “worse” than remaining in the EU.
Gove’s stance was confirmed by four sources who have discussed the issue with the environment secretary. “Michael is not ready to roll over in cabinet,” one said, “but he recognises that the arithmetic is difficult.”

The revelations will be greeted with anger by hardline Brexiteers around Jacob Rees-Mogg, who have privately warned Tory whips that remaining in a customs union would prompt a leadership challenge.
A source familiar with the discussion said: “They sat in a room in 9 Downing Street when they were discussing Brexit and Olly Robbins came in. The discussion focused on what to do if parliament votes to stay in a customs union. Someone from the political unit at No 10 said: ‘We wouldn’t cry into our beer if we were forced to do this.’ The PM needs to go through the choreography of trying to leave but we might be forced to do it.”
Robbins has been pushing for customs union membership as a way of preventing a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. The source added: “The civil service fast stream have a pool on who is going to resign first. All the money is on Liam Fox and then Boris.”
Members of May’s Brexit war cabinet will meet on Wednesday to discuss trade before finalising the UK’s stance ahead of a crunch EU summit on June 29.
In an effort to turn the screws, Labour is demanding the prime minister bring forward a binding Commons vote on whether Britain should remain in the union.
In a letter to May, Sir Keir Starmer, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, claims that delaying the vote has already led to “deep anxiety” for businesses and communities across the UK, particularly in Northern Ireland. He offered to surrender Wednesday’s opposition day debate so she can bring forward the vote.
“The government cannot indefinitely delay the passage of legislation through the Commons for fear of defeat on crucial votes,” Starmer writes. “If a decision is not made until June then that will leave just three months to negotiate the details of the final agreement.”
A Downing Street source said May would continue to argue for Britain to quit the union. “Government policy is to leave the customs union. That’s what we will continue to argue for. That’s where we want to end up.”


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