BS: Sexual Misdemeanours

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 06:42 PM

Look whose turn it is now.

Associated Press on Plácido Domingo

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 07:02 PM

All stories which have been given (apparently) to "Associated Press". Have any of these women given their stories to the police? There is no evidence that the police have been informed in the article (also by) Associated Press.

Is US law the same as UK? Innocent until proven guilty?
If so, why are Associated Press making such a big thing about unsubstantiated reports?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 07:02 PM

Of course, if he's a sexual predator, he deserves to be brought to account. But why publish hearsay?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 19 - 07:37 PM

He's one of my heroes. Very distressing to hear this. Justice first.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Aug 19 - 10:58 AM

The law is a shield for the victim? In what universe?

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Aug 19 - 04:29 PM

I just mentally composed about 3-4 comments on this subject.... all from different perspectives... and I couldn't see how to shorten any of them to make a clear, simple point. (the following, I assure you, IS an edited and shortened form of 60 years of reflection on it all. ?). I am unable right now to join those who can create clever, humorous comments. I'm not condemning jokes... I'm just overwhelmed by the number of recent cases involving celebrities whose behavior has made this such a public spectacle.

The problem is, human sexual attitudes and pressures... and resultant behaviors... are maddeningly complex.
'Most' issues are about male behavior, and there are biological explanations for the basic drives... but permissible actions are dependent on different cultural norms and laws that try to define and regulate them. But within any system, there are men who try to subjectively 'adapt' the rules... and women who either submit to pressure, or demand that men follow both thew law AND their personal wishes.... and then there are infinite gradations in personal attitudes in both men & women.

There is 'simple showing interest'...................... and forcible rape. And somewhere on that line are 'misdemeanors'. Al Franken and Placido Domingo are somewhere on that line, and perhaps most males have been, at a minimum, near the left end. Bill Cosby and Epstein... and Trump are right at the far right end.... but even that end has branches to refer to gross, criminal behavior of different sorts.

When accusations are made, some of them are just about unwanted, unpleasant advances, as in Franken and Domingo, and some are about obviously criminal behavior if substantiated. Some women are fairly adept at rejecting advances, and some, whether out of confusion, fear or calculated risk, don't bother.
To complicate it all further, when complaints are filed, some are treated seriously and some are not, depending on police, prosecutors, and eventually judges. There is NO doubt that some male prosecutors and judges have memories of their own transgressions of earlier times and make decisions on the subjective "they were asking for it" or "it's only natural urges" or "no lasting harm done" rationalizations.

   What has happened recently is publicity in the media that both allows women to TELL their stories and provides support and confirmation OF the ubiquitous nature of such careless or dangerous male behavior.
Nothing will ever solve the root nature of sexual pressures and desires, but it seems the floodgates are open a bit to head society into a new admission that the issue cannot be swept under the rug any longer.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Aug 19 - 03:19 PM

'Most' issues are about male behavior? What about

welfare queens
whores
hos
nymphos

There's plenty of sexual hate aimed at women.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Aug 19 - 06:16 PM

? leenia.. the thread was 'Sexual Misdemeanours'. I don't see any list about who is 'hated' the most. The 4 you refer to are of course societal problems of various sorts, but for actual mis-behaviors that need to be addressed by law and early training in values, I think that male attitudes toward women pretty well are the most common and cause the most anguish. In some ways, 'whores' are a by-product of male behavior... (and how do you distinguish between 'hos' and 'whores'?)

Yes, many men 'hate' women to cover up their own inability to attract women... which can lead to rape...etc.

I suppose some women harbor dislike for other women, but that's hard to quantify.

You'll have to clarify your point better for me to see where you are going...

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 19 Aug 19 - 01:23 PM

The New York Times weighs in on Plácido Domingo.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Sep 19 - 12:06 PM

At the Metropolitan Opera,

the show -- the season opener -- must go on.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: keberoxu
Date: 28 Sep 19 - 12:14 PM

And from NPR,

"I feel queasy in the [orchestra] pit during rehearsals"

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 11:26 AM

The main issue I see is men believing women are theirs to control, and that women and their appearance are responsible for men's thoughts and behaviors. And so on. You horny? That's your problem, not hers. Deal with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Sexual Misdemeanours
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Sep 19 - 11:38 AM

My reaction to all the "me too" stuff was "this is NORMAL. Every woman has had those experiences, and we get past them."

And then, I thought "WHAT!!?? Why?"

It's another case of things that were considered unremarkable in the past, but then, the world changed. It WAS that way. Now it's not. And unfortunately, 1) some people can't adapt, and 2) some other people judge the past by what's right today.

At the bottom of it all is a failure to acknowledge and accept change.