Tech: Download from Spotify!!

Subject: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 18 - 02:44 AM

The trick is to use Tuneskit Spotify Converter for downloading music from Spotify. This is software which normally costs £30 to buy or free if you acquire a working registration code.

It nominally saves to mp3 format up to 320kbps but has the option to convert to a number of other formats.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Nick
Date: 18 May 18 - 06:21 AM

Silly question - but why would you bother?

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Reynard
Date: 18 May 18 - 07:02 AM

More importantly, why would you think this was OK to do?

I would be very surprised if there's anything on Spotify that's actually out of print, so please, just buy the CD or pay for a legitmate download. This is illegal and the artists get nothing

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 18 - 08:05 AM

Well actually it provides an opportunity to listen to a CD before ordering, or not, from Amazon, just like the old days when listening to an LP or single in a record shop before buying.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 18 - 08:34 AM

If you have Spotify Premium ($10 per month here in the U.S.) you can download up to 3,333 songs on up to 3 different devices at no extra charge.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 18 - 09:07 AM

But you still cannot download DRM free music files.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Nemo
Date: 18 May 18 - 10:06 AM

but why would you bother? This is illegal and the artists get nothing.

Because that's the Bozo Way. Him first, and devil take the hindmost. Who cares if the artist gets screwed?

He's gleefully posted his tips on how to get free music & screw artists
many tomes previously.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!???
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 May 18 - 10:31 AM

I'm an artist and nobody has wanted to screw me for decades...

Perhaps if I made myself more presentable, and washed my feet more frequently...???

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Greg F.
Date: 18 May 18 - 11:19 AM

Definately the feet.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Reynard
Date: 18 May 18 - 11:24 AM

"Well actually it provides an opportunity to listen to a CD before ordering"

That's what Spotify's online service is for (and it's even free if you listen to a few adverts), so that doesn't really excuse or explain the need to download.

I don't think there's ever been a time when record shops allowed you to make a copy of a record and take it away with you on the basis that you might come back and buy the original.

Seeing as this is a folk music forum, and even the "big names" in our genre are not exactly minted, I urge you to think about the morality of your actions.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 18 - 12:06 PM

Noted

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 May 18 - 12:10 PM

We sometimes get cries for deleting threads about illegal downloading, but we just don't make a practice of deleting stuff. It wasn't too long ago when it was hard to share a song with someone, or to listen to a sample recording to see if one wanted to buy. But now it's easy, and it seems silly to figure out schemes for downloading. If I want to have somebody else hear a song, I can usually send a link.

But some people still do it, and it's interesting to see what lengths they go to, to do illegal downloads.

Joe Offer, Mudcat Music Editor

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 May 18 - 12:29 PM

A question to the most sanctimonious and pious amongst us...

If a friend said "come over here, and listen to this track, see what you think of it...???

Would your automatic reply be

"no.. hold on there, have you the appropriate paid intellectual rights licence for me to do so...!!!???"


Folks need to keep reality and practicalities in perspective...

Spotify is hardly the most charitable benefactor of musical talent...

..and folks who enjoy convenient grey area ways to hear new music are not always habitual villainous pirates and thieves...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Nick
Date: 18 May 18 - 12:49 PM

Spot on

I happily subscribe to spotify premium and hope that the little dribble that gets back to artists gets there. Some months I use it sometimes not.

I have 300 or 400 vinyl albums which I started collecting at 32 and 6 pence a I remember

But I don't try and get round it. If you are that poor I'm sorry for you and will try to help...

Threw out 300-500 cassettes yesterday because my wife wanted the room (?)

How much money have I given to artists in my life? Probably not enough.

My lifetimes paid income from music is probably less than a £1000 (I'm recalculating as I type)

So my spotify subscription seems ok. It's a business model that apparently works or not. But it isn't my problem to sort it.

My son his on spotify and holy shit can he play the guitar (not in this genre and he's made tuppence but also realised that he didn't want to live in a van)

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 18 - 01:03 PM

We await delivery of CDs by Blair Dunlop and Clive Gregson/Liz Simcock from Amazon tomorrow. Next................

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 May 18 - 01:03 PM

A meeting of old and new technologies..

get yer cassette recorder out of the loft and tape spotify tracks off a PC or phone..

Remember "HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC !!!!!"

If a friend hands you a cassette and points to your new LP or 8-track tape, just say no, and call the police...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 18 May 18 - 05:39 PM

"I would be very surprised if there's anything on Spotify that's actually out of print, so please, just buy the CD or pay for a legitmate download. This is illegal and the artists get nothing"

For Clapton's sake - the artist gets publicity, people listen, tell others, buy CD, make copy for a friend who then book tickets to see the artist.

I do NOT listen to sanctimoneous whinging from mudcat miseries.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 May 18 - 07:19 PM

Anyway, I can't speak for bonkers incoherent GUEST...

But I've just preordered a double Live CD set off Amazon,
and bought 2 budget priced box sets last night...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 May 18 - 07:35 PM

oh... and just preordered another CD I didn't know was in the pipeline...

GUEST can go stuff a blank cassette tape up his/her ****...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: robomatic
Date: 18 May 18 - 10:12 PM

Theft is theft?

As for current artists, there are legal methods for them to collect the fruit of their labors. What fruits? What labors?

What does the average musician make when their work is listened to on Spotify? Does anyone in this thread really know?

Apple has been selling music by the track for what- ten years? How much of that goes to the artist?

Are we talking fair trade? Or legal theft?

When Ricky Lee Jones played here, I paid for a USB bracelet which contained ALL her albums. The music belonged to me, was not DRM and did not waste space.

I can comprehend a system that pays a creator a modicum everytime their work is played at the request of a user.

I don't have a lot of respect for the middlemen who create nothing and charge for the use of other people's work, but have parlayed their ownership of other peoples' work into profits for themselves. Case in point, the folks who sued and charged for every use of the "Happy Birthday" song long after it was gone from its creators and their relatives.

So where is the money really going?

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Bob
Date: 19 May 18 - 02:18 AM

Who'd have thought it?

I went to Tesco and bought a 4 pint carton of milk; bargain price! The big boys know how discount - sod the farmers!

Wouldn't you know it? I forgot tea bags! So I popped into my corner shop and nicked 40 Tetley's . . . . not a 240 box!!! I'm not selfish!!

Bastard owner! I told him I'd already bought my milk but he still accused me of theft!

Some people are complete twats; no?

Bob

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 May 18 - 02:57 AM

I wonder how much per month an average hardline 'theft is theft' paragon of miserableness
spends on recorded music...???

I wonder how many are misers who don't even like music..???


I bet some even lean out their window with their ear trumpets
scanning for passing groups teenagers sharing music on a portable speaker..

fingers poised to call an emergency music rights lawyer...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 May 18 - 03:01 AM

... and I bet they puncture any balls kicked over their garden fence...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 19 May 18 - 03:37 AM

I can't get Spotify off my tablet. Along with Kobo books, Raketen TV, and the Tesco shopping app (it being a Tesco tablet), Android refuses to let me uninstall them.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 18 - 03:46 AM

You've got me bang to rights there mate! . . . . I DON'T spend a great deal each month on recorded music.

Like many people, I don't have a great deal of spare money.

However, living in north Derbyshire I am spoilt for opportunities to listen to live music, much of it freely given at sessions and singarounds, but also the occasional gig at places like The Globe in Glossop or Greystones in Sheffield.

I do have the luxury of an extensive record and CD collection, built up over 50+ years, which grows very slowly these days; but, I do add to it now and again, usually buying CDs from the acts I see at gigs.

I have been known to smile once in awhile, too.

When someone kicks a ball over my garden fence, I don't puncture it. Neither do I claim it for my own just because it's there for the taking.

Sanctimonious? Probably, I have many faults. But one of them is not imagining the faults of others to excuse my own inadequacies.

Have a happy Saturday!

Bob

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 19 May 18 - 04:25 AM

And you have a happy Saturday too, beautiful sunshine on the Surrey North Downs this morning.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Richard Robinson
Date: 19 May 18 - 06:59 AM

Sorry about the previous post ...

"What does the average musician make when their work is listened to on Spotify? Does anyone in this thread really know?"

Is a good question. I know a person with music there, he tells me a typical payment for a play from one of the streaming websites is something like 0.4p. There are probably people here who have numbers, does this agree with their experience ?

"So where is the money really going? "

To the people who run the websites ? This is the internet advertising economy - the music on spotify is clickbait to attract eardrums that they can rent to the advertisers, unless they're paid not to.

I have some recordings that will be hitting the Big Wide World shortly, and the above is why I won't be putting them out via the streaming sites. I'll be putting them on bandcamp, who make their money by selling recordings and taking a percentage. From the musician's point of view, this seems a much healthier idea.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 18 - 10:09 AM

It's a buffoon who can change his type size which is interesting for a casual guest.I wonder who that might be....

Likely any one of multiple millions of persons with a rudimentary knowledge of HTML.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:32 PM

The fact that a moaning misery GUEST would even go to the trouble of manipulating HTML
for no significant purpose,
does tend to indicate a rather odd uptight personality...

excellent... I thrive on folks like that... they willingly present themselves for derision...



As if they only listen to the limited few tracks they ever pay for...?????


Though, nearly 40 years ago I did know a bloke who actually literally did
only buy and listen to Meatloaf's "Bat out of Hell" cassette..

He rarely came out of his room, and as far as we knew had no other access to hearing any other music...

He'd be in his 60s now...

Wonder if he's a folkie now.. a mudcatter maybe...?????

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Nick
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:37 PM

Well people I know are good singers and players - an example Wendy Arrowsmith - haven't retired yet

Even Holy Moly and the Crackers - great band and just happen to know one or two of them - go from 4000 (decent) to 100000 and 383000 plays.

Work their socks off. Keep buying the cds

Sons band are sitting at the 30-40000 plays. Not rich yet

Bit heavy for a folk site

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Nick
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:39 PM

I really enjoyed GUEST in this thread

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 May 18 - 01:58 PM

At this point in the 21st Century I still continue to follow the 1970's punk/indie ethos
of artists selling direct and cutting out all middle men...

In a tiny niche market like ours it's a point of honour and integrity
not to rip off our friends and contemporaries...

Though for practicality, there needs to be sufficient reasonable flexibility
for our music getting heard by potential buyers
without petty officious loud mouthed knowalls getting all bitter and over-legalistic...

I'd be surprised, no.. disturbed, if any of us had expectations of getting a mansion and rolls royce off of music sales...

Ed Sheeran has fleeced all that spare money out of the punters.. he's got your share...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST
Date: 19 May 18 - 05:28 PM

Sadly, yer still missin' the point, Laddie.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 May 18 - 06:45 PM

Make your point clearly then...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 19 May 18 - 06:53 PM

... and while you are at it, identify yourself...
at least to the extent of using a consistent name, if only for this thread..

Who knows how many GUESTS there are here in total..
and which is the most worthy of being taken seriously...???

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: robomatic
Date: 19 May 18 - 07:38 PM

GUEST Bob. I have no problem with your posts, other than understanding them.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST
Date: 20 May 18 - 02:08 AM

robomatic:

What's your first language?

Bob

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Bob
Date: 20 May 18 - 03:13 AM

For robomatic

Best of luck,
Bob

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 20 May 18 - 05:40 AM

I shall download some more from spotify today!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: robomatic
Date: 21 May 18 - 03:25 PM

Bob, apparently you have syntax flaws. You can't tell the difference between questions and declarative sentences.
You also appear to be confused on who is posting what.
Hoping your hair-trigger heals but not expecting an apology,
Robo

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Bob
Date: 22 May 18 - 08:23 AM

I have "syntax flaws"?

I'm sure that sounded very clever inside your head, robomatic.

ROTFLMAO

Bob

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 May 18 - 09:55 AM

Whatever Bonz's reason for starting this thread,
he provided an opportunity for serious debate on complex modern issues
relevant to our work, marketing, and reward systems...

Too much to ask of mudcat in it's declining moribund state of health...???

Oh well... never mind... none of us are getting any younger, or more tolerant...

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 04:49 AM

Managed to grab Rock On by The Bunch!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:25 AM

Tuneskit Spotify Converter does the trick!

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Modette
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 08:21 AM

Steal away, Bonzo.

PS Do you buy your exclamation marks wholesale?

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 09:09 AM

No, free with kosher bacon!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 09:45 AM

Get away with whatever you can!!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Greenie
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 09:56 AM

Bonzo,

Any idea where I can download the time to listen to all this?

Greenie

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 10:00 AM

Very stupid thing to say lad.

Subject: RE: Tech: Download from Spotify!!
From: GUEST,Greenie
Date: 03 Jun 18 - 10:04 AM

I guess not.