Neil Young vs Spotify

Subject: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 06:02 AM

I don't use (and barely understand) Spotify, but I'm sure the late great Catspaw would be interested in the patron of the NYCFTTS taking on an internet giant
RtS

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 12:23 PM

In response, Spotify tightened up restrictions on podcasts from COVID deniers. I wonder if Neil Young & others will come back to the Spotify.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Acorn4
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 01:33 PM

I think they haven't excluded the one Neil Young particularly objected to though?

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 02:41 PM

CAUTION: Healthcare is a private conversation between your family physician and you. Do not rely on Joe Rogan, Joni Mitchell, Jay-Z or Mudcat for so much as proper ear plug advice.

Streisand effect: The only reason I became aware of and then listened to the Joe Rogan podcasts was to learn what all the fuss was about. Oops.

FYI: $potify paid U$100mil for the rights to Rogan's podcast. Otoh, Harvest Moon will turn thirty (30) next year. Where does the time go?
Sore points:
JRE #1747 - Dr. Peter A. McCullough
JRE #1757 - Dr. Robert Malone, MD.

Completely differnt platform, with followup: Dr. Peter McCullough: Official COVID ‘narrative has crumbled’

Not so crazy really. Frankly, he sounds a whole lot like our family doctor. He can get a root canal but not a shave and a haircut. Haiti was reporting 22 deaths per million. The U.S. was at 1215/mil this time last year. “Crumbled narrative” would not be my word choice. Newspeak

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: cnd
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 03:15 PM

There's no way Spotify removes Rogan's podcasts (the one Neil Young took issue with) any time soon; they've been making a huge push to expand into podcasting, and made Rogan their bell cow when they signed him to an exclusivity deal.

Spotify has found middle ground by adding a healthcare warning to known podcasts that deal with Covid. FWIW Rogan has gone on the record as being ok with the warning.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:01 PM

So should we all ditch Spotify (including me?) Discuss...

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Allan Conn
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:20 PM

I don't think this is the first time Neil Young has left Spotify! Wasn't he trying to develop his own software at one point?? Whatever the rights and wrongs unless this snowballs Spotify may bend slightly but maybe not all the way. Young, Joni and Nils Lofgren may be big names from days gone by but as far as streaming goes they are small fry compared to the really big artists of today. When Adele said stop the shuffle button on my albums they jumped. So unless someone like Adele or Taylor Swift or Sheeran gets on board they may not move too much - or it generally snowballs to lots more artists. I use Spotify but I must admit I'd never heard of Josh Rogan.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Allan Conn
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:25 PM

Or Joe Rogan is it???

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 05:45 PM

I never dove into Spotify. I was thinking about it, but I think I'll live without it.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Allan Conn
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 06:00 PM

I honestly couldn't imagine being without it or some other similar platform. A whole world of music at your fingertips!! Admittedly not much of my £10 per month seems to make it into the pockets of artists but I also still purchase too.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: saulgoldie
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 06:10 PM

Saw this...somewhere in the ether...

People under 30: Who is Neil Young?
People 31 to 64: I didn't know he was still alive.
People over 65: What is Spotify?

Oh, and f*** Joe Rogan.

Saul

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 07:09 PM

Carly Simon too.

I like her.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 22 - 08:11 PM

Well call my morality on this warped, but as I have Amazon Prime, a sports TV sub to a Murdoch company, savings in a massive great big American bank and an account with TSB (neither of which I ever check the ethical credentials of), etcetera etcetera, I won't be ditching my Spotify sub any time soon.

Well I will if everybody here promises to ditch their Facebook... ;-)

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Howard Jones
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 07:01 AM

Spotify presents a huge dilemma for musicians. If you don't use it, you're cutting yourself off from 365 million potential listeners. If you do use it, the pay is barely visible to the naked eye. The rates vary according to the length of the streamed track (and I believe according to region) but ours average less than $0.005 per stream. Someone would have to stream a track nearly 250 times before streaming is more lucrative for us than purchasing the track. Frankly, we'd rather have 90p now than $0.005 dribbling in over a decade or more.

Of course if you're an international artist with millions of streams, and on a major label with probably better rates, then you might see a significant income. For everyone else it's a joke. But you have to be on it to be heard.

Someone in a recent discussion claimed that Spotify is no different from radio. He's wrong, because Spotify is on-demand. If you like a piece of music you hear on the radio you have to wait for it to be played again, so you're likely to buy it rather than wait. On Spotify you just stream it again. He eventually admitted that his main income stream came from selling merchandise, and the music was a loss-leader for this. However in some genres selling merchandise isn't a thing, and I suspect this is true for most folk performers.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Feb 22 - 07:23 AM

Thanks to Spotify I walk around with the world's best record collection in my pocket so no boycott for me.
And Rogan, medical advisor to the "immunized" Aaron Rodgers, has always been an asshole and N.Y. has probably just provided him with a lot of free publicity.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 10:57 AM

Seems pretty fair idea to give up using Spitify. Not that I've ever paod them a penny so they can afford it.

Deezer seems a perfectly adequate substitute , and less intrusive. Much cleaner screen.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Howard Jones
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 03:06 PM

I didn't think it was possible, but Deezer pays artists even less than Spotify. The same track has paid $0.00300932 from Spotify and $0.00282121 from Deezer. Also, Spotify has far more users, and our current sales on Spotify are more than 15 times higher than Deezer over the same period. So from a musician's point of view, if I could only choose to have our music on one of them it would have to be Spotify.

From a listener's point of view, there doesn't seem to be much to choose between them.

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: GUEST,Phil d'Conch
Date: 02 Feb 22 - 08:56 PM

$potify in general: Is Spotify a good deal for musicians?

JRE#1330 - Bernie Sanders.

Win some, lose some. Every song on every Neil Young album did not go straight to #1 on the charts. The majority of it went into the cellar. That's just life.

Have any of the artists ever said what they object to, besides the platforming? Are there public health issues worthy of your boycot? Anybody?

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: Sol
Date: 03 Feb 22 - 10:12 AM

Nothing gave me more joy than searching through old record exchanges for an obsure oldie that I used to love. The excitement on finding one of those favourite 45's is something younger listeners will never experience.

I find Spotify is a dilemma - a ying/yang thing. I suppose cusp of the matter is whether you are a professional musician or a semi-pro/amateur. I can see how professional artists/musicians (especially royalty dependants) regard Spotify as a mugger of music while lay singer/songwriters, etc. are likely to see it as a quick & easy fast-track to the global market.(The latter's objective being non-monetary having the luxury of another source of income/sustenance).

Subject: RE: Neil Young vs Spotify
From: gillymor
Date: 05 Feb 22 - 02:17 PM

I've decided to do without Joe Rogan's "Teachable moments" (not that I've ever opened up one of the asshole's podcasts).
I'm sure no streaming service is as pure as the driven snow but it's time to send a message to Spotify. I hope others feel the same way.