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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 04 Jun 18 - 10:20 AM You've just had your claim proven Iains - Don't think anybody else does that ras regularly as Bozo |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 04 Jun 18 - 02:43 AM " making nasty people look nice" It's a little daunting to find that someone who doesn't like you and shows little interested in the subjects you discuss holds the power of life and death over what those subjects we are allowed to share It's rather like being taught by a schoolteacher who hates children - I've met a few of them I don't think there are many, if any "nasty people" on this forum -there are a few who react badly to being talked down to (a few only do that), and there are a few of us who don't express ourselves well in print, but beyond that, we're a bunch of people who have never met each other (I know two people who post regularly on music - both I like and get on with in real life), the rest are strangers who are happy to take time out to share their opinions - that's a sign of not being "nasty" as far as I'm concerned. Any persistent "nastiness" becomes obvious - if it is not sorted out in infects our discussions and degenerates into shouting matches - we all become "nasty" for a time - that becomes all our faults We really do need to be able to sort out the persistent offenders, but when we try, the thread gets closed down A bit of a stalemate really Unless we are able (and allowed to) sort out the wheat from the chaff in our midst forums like this have no future, in my opinion - a crying shame - there's far to little talking to each other in this world as it is. It's relevance may not be immediately obvious, but our old friend, Norfolk singer, Walter Pardon had a family saying which may be of assistance here A Toast “Here’s to those who love us and those who don’t love us. To those who don’t love us, may God turn their hearts. If he don’t turn their hearts, may he turn their ankle bones so we know the buggers when they walk”. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Bonzo3legs Date: 04 Jun 18 - 02:40 AM Yawn yawn!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 04 Jun 18 - 02:14 AM Joe Wikipedia uses a slightly different definition: a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion, often for the troll's amusement. As we cannot know for sure what motivates a particular post we similarly cannot define the intent, but superficially there would appear to be a few posting here fit the bill. But at the end of the day making unsubstantiated attacks on people by attaching unwarranted labels is a sure fire way of getting a response and quickly terminates a thread. It really does not matter whether you want to label it trolling, stupidity or a personal attack |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Jun 18 - 08:37 PM I think the word "troll" gets thrown around here, far more often than it needs to be. Some Mudcatters seem to think that anybody who disagrees with them, is a troll. Trolls are people who come in and post for the purpose of causing trouble. I would suggest that while we've had a few off and on, they're not the "usual suspects" who continually bicker at each other. For the most part, if you believe in what you're saying, you're not a troll. https://www.urbandictionary.com has a pretty good definition of "trolling:
Trolling on-line forums as described above is actually analogous to the fishing technique of “trolling”, where colorful baits and lures are pulled behind a slow moving boat, often with multiple fishing lines, covering a large bodies of water, such as a large lake or the ocean. The trolling lures attract unsuspecting fish, intriguing them with the way they move through the water, thus enticing these foolish fish to “take the bait”. Not unlike unsuspecting internet victims, once hooked, the fish are reeled in for the catch before they realize they have been duped by the Troll/Fisherman This guy made a really rude and off the wall comment about my You Tube video, I think he was just trolling for a response, but I ignored him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Jun 18 - 02:54 PM "When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." [Eric Cantona, footballer, philosopher, alpha male] |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: pdq Date: 03 Jun 18 - 02:42 PM It has been said that a skunk cannot smell his own stench no matter how horrible it smells to others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Jun 18 - 02:41 PM No, Jeri. No hidden agenda. Nothing to remember. 'wanting to share' simply means that most people just want to share their opinions and knowledge with others. Hope that helps. Thanks for the reminding us how to deal with flamers and trolls. I am trying to do it but, as you say, one persons troll is another persons interesting post. Best way to deal with it either way is if you think a person is trolling, ignore them. They may not go away but they cannot interact with you if you do not interact with them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Jun 18 - 02:14 PM Then, with respect, you should resign as a moderator. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jeri Date: 03 Jun 18 - 01:33 PM Jim, I hardly ever care enough about making nasty people look nice that I close threads. Personally, I'd be happy if the BS section disappeared. I have an extremely low opinion of the denizens here, and I'm sure that includes me when I get involved. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 03 Jun 18 - 01:14 PM This thread has had a variety of responses with a range of conclusions. I would be extremely interested to see others contribute, so to maintain harmony I will withdraw for a while, ere temptation strikes! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Jun 18 - 12:28 PM I'm trying to stop this Jeri - closing this thread isn't goint to help You may as well close down this section altogether Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jeri Date: 03 Jun 18 - 12:14 PM And that's what it looks like when it goes personal. Shortly thereafter, the thread is closed. And it doesn't much matter who started it. If enough kids want to play, that's the way it goes. You see why I say that when it comes to trolls, some folks are "anybody's"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Jun 18 - 11:48 AM "Jom" was a direct lift from your now departed counterpart Teribus - a display of your childish lack of imagination All this measures extremely small next to your hundred or so attempts to insult and put down anybody who disagrees with you I'm sure you don't want me to put them up again Self-awareness is the key to cleaning up this thread - maybe there are night classes in your area |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Jun 18 - 11:44 AM "As a result I am very wary about placing any sort of political label " Hence your refrence on several occasions to my living in a bog Racist as they come Iains Probably used regularly by you're mate Tommy Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 03 Jun 18 - 11:31 AM "Would that include inflammatory names like 'Jom' and 'Jimmie', clearly jibes aimed at an individual because of his Irish heritage and domicile?" Hardly.I have been called inanes by numerous posters. I also have Irish heritage and am domiciled there, so what? Inflammatory names are racist, nazi, antisemite, You know. the ones that a certain person flavours every post with. Mispelling a name or using the diminutive is hardly in the same league as the insults above. I think I can say with a degree of certainty, I have been to more countries, worked with more nationalities been exposed to more cultures and religions than most posting here. This makes me acutely aware of the sensibilities of differing cultures. As a result I am very wary about placing any sort of political label on anyone posting on this forum beyond left or right. I do think a couple posting here have given premier displays of hypocrisy. Very impressive! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jeri Date: 03 Jun 18 - 10:31 AM If you can find the Mudcat FAQ, you can find that Joe wrote: "the best way to deal with both flamers and trolls is to ignore them. Give them silence, and they'll go away. They feed on attention - don't give it to them." Several problems with this. 1) I'm willing to bet a troll will never starve for attention at Mudcat 2) Joe pretty reliably responds to trolls 3) One person's "troll" is another person's "interesting post" Trolls provoke emotional reactions, and those reactions are WHY some folks post. The biggest problem I have with it is when someone's hatred of another person makes them think taking over a thread to go after that individual is a good idea. And DtG, what you're responding to is possibly beyond my remembering skills. I don't know if "wanting to share" means the same thing as "help me beat up this nerdy kid". (No, seriously, I don't know.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: peteglasgow Date: 03 Jun 18 - 09:26 AM good point , steve - and ta for earlier comments |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Jun 18 - 07:49 AM Chiff and Fipple once had a very argumentative below-the-line part, full of right-wing bolshie yanks and pro-Israel warmongering types, etc., good fun but it was abruptly demolished without trace. The place has been heading into the sunset slowly for a few years. The Gaughan forum has gone rudderless, especially since Dick got sick, and the few people left posting are totally unrepresentative of what the place used to be like. A couple of others I was on just died the death (without my help, I hasten to add). To some extent this one has bucked the trend for such forums to go into decline. We all love it really! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jun 18 - 07:21 AM I'm a guitar-player, with an interest in a few specific builders' instruments, so I generally haunt forums related to those. Fortunately, politics is a subject which is banned from all of them, and trying to get 'political' in a thread will get you removed from that thread, as will bad or profane language, trolling, and flaming. They are very nice places to be. The 'Cat could learn a lot from them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: peteglasgow Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:35 AM does anyone know of any similar sites to mudcat? i enjoy a political discussion but..... i'm on the dick gaughan page which is more respectful but there are very few posts. i guess most of us here are often grumpy old blokes so maybe it's an age thing - but there must be a livelier debate somewhere |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Backwoodsman Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:23 AM "But attaching bogus inflammatory names to people in a pathetic attempt to give more authority to the post simply leads sooner or later to thread closure. I would regard it as a deliberate troll. That is no way to have a discussion. Or perhaps that is the intention. We all know the sort of threads and we all know the major contributors." Would that include inflammatory names like 'Jom' and 'Jimmie', clearly jibes aimed at an individual because of his Irish heritage and domicile? As I said in another thread recently, people in glasshouses... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:11 AM Apologies for nor using preview to edit the repeats Tidied a little, but there are probably still some repeats. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:10 AM Thank you Keith Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 03 Jun 18 - 06:08 AM A subject may be emotional to a poster but if emotion overtakes sober reasoning we end up with the slanging matches often seen here. What sort of rational discussion can occur when emotions are high. My attitude is that if you cannot control yourself, do not post until you can. Ranting incoherence adds nothing to the debate and merely disgusts the innocent visitor. Is that the behaviour we wish to encourage in order to attract more postings? It would be interesting to see see who is actually posting on closed threads and run a little sweepstake on the guilty person who comes out on top for causing the maximum grief. I have a sneaking suspicion I could place the name out front right now. I have no problem with posters using any language they like to describe a situation or event, but when these insulting libelous labels are attached to people posting I feel a line has been crossed. Being labelled scum, nazi, racist, antisemite because I simply disagree with the views of the person posting is a guaranteed way of closing threads and we all know who I am talking about. What gives anyone the right to use such terms when it is done purely on what they think, rather than what they know to be a fact. I find this even more galling when the poster applying the term is in one instance supporting , no advocating, totally illegal actions that I and others clearly pointed out to him. The most hilarious point about this is that this person acts outraged when a response includes a little jibe. In fact he collects and posts collections of such jibes carefully omitting his prior postings that led to such jibes. The ludicrous attempts to play innocent fool no one but himself. Robust discussion is fine, swearing is fine(if your command of language is insufficient to find a better way of expressing yourself. But attaching bogus inflammatory names to people in a pathetic attempt to give more authority to the post simply leads sooner or later to thread closure. I would regard it as a deliberate troll. That is no way to have a discussion. Or perhaps that is the intention. We all know the sort of threads and we all know the major contributors. How in the hell do you expect to attract more sensible, rational, ordinary people below the line if they see the sort of behaviour referred to. How can a new contributor be expected to put his/her head above the parapet when they run the risk of abuse being heaped on them the first time they post. There is one dominant poster here that calls for free speech for himself yet insists that subjects he disagrees with be censored. How skewed a level playing field is that? A subject may be emotional to a poster but if emotion overtakes sober reasoning we end up with the raving and ranting diatribes often seen here. Do we want bully and bluster below the line or some sort of rational discussion? There are one or two that post somewhat infrequently but they post in a calm measured way that should be an example to us all. If they can act in this extremely polite, thoughtful way, then there is no reason the rest of cannot. Irregardless of subject matter under discussion. Using passion as an excuse to insult is merely a very robust reason to be deleted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 03 Jun 18 - 05:50 AM The gagging order on TR has been lifted. Free speech was not an issue in his arrest. The child grooming trial is being conducted with reporting restrictions. There will be good reason for that to do with ensuring justice and it will all become public eventually. Anyone streaming to Facebook video of suspects and jurors is jeapordising the trial and that is why he was arrested. This is the whole story as reported in a Right Wing paper. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5796759/RICHARD-PENDLEBURY-Tommy-Robinson-global-celebrity-jailed.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Jun 18 - 05:32 AM This thread has now turned into a promotion for fascist politics I doubt if it will be closed for being such I'm outta here seig heil to you too Iains Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 03 Jun 18 - 05:26 AM You have been warned! Do you really think a D notice was issued because he is a thug? Do you seriously think the government would miss an opportunity to throw his name all over the media and further blacken him if the reasons are as transparent as you make out? Do try and justify the D notice in terms what you believe the situation is, and ask yourself. How plausible is that? First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Jun 18 - 05:09 AM What he was arrested for is on the court records and is quite clear. Any suggestion that the government is interfering in the judicial system to silence its opponents is nothing but a conspiracy theory. But, as I said before, using this thread to resurrect old arguments from a thread that has already been closed will only result in this one being closed too. You have been warned! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 03 Jun 18 - 04:23 AM Tommy Robinson I suggest before automatically dismissing the man that you take the time to listen to his speech to the Oxford Union. This speech is why he has attracted so many signatures in support of a petition to free him(579000) Oxford Union Speech You may wish to judge the man by his mainstream media depiction. That is your choice. His arrest is in reality to silence him, because he is publicising facts that the government is reluctant to publicly acknowledge. That in essence is what the modern Tommy Robinson is about - not his freely admitted, loutish past. Study footage of his many arrests and discover just how flimsy the pretexts were. Then come back here and see if your outrage has changed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 03 Jun 18 - 03:56 AM "When Tommy Robinson says something racist, I am not outraged " Tommy Robinson is not just an expresser of opinions - he is an creator, organiser and leader of racist parties "I don't know anything right off about the Mudcatter named "Tunesmith," but this particular post seems to be quite objective." You obviously didn't get as far dowwn his postings as his diatribes about the Muslim religion - the final one closed the thread I'm quite sure you would have been quite happy to accept it if it was aimed at your own religion If you believe that Mudcat is a place to allow the promotion of Tommy Robinson and his hateful (and highly dangerous message in today's Britain) we have nothing more to say to each other The only difference between the Robinsons of this world and Trump is that wants the power that the other has already been handed by the American people Shame on you for turning your eyes away from these people and what they represent Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Jun 18 - 03:16 AM Oh, and I forgot to ask. Joe, could you please reiterate the rules of posting and your advice on how to handle trolls. I think this would be a good time and place for such a reminder. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Dave the Gnome Date: 03 Jun 18 - 03:11 AM I am pleased that this thread has not degenerated into a fight but I don't think resurrecting closed threads on it is a wise move. That will only serve to get this one closed too! If we go back to the good advice given earlier about discussing to learn rather than to score points I think we may get a much better result and begin to understand why some people have certain views even if we disagree with them. I have had a think, Jeri, but as per your request I will keep it silent :-) I do think you were wrong in your assessment for most people though. I think most people just like to share. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: DMcG Date: 03 Jun 18 - 02:38 AM The reader is a far better judge of such things, than is the editor Following the recommendation above: Amen, to that, Joe! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Joe Offer Date: 03 Jun 18 - 02:11 AM You make a valid point, PFR - but I, for one, don't want to see Mudcat moderators charged with sifting through posts and deleting posts because somebody thinks them objectionable. Content-based moderation gets far too arbitrary, far too quickly. The reader is a far better judge of such things, than is the editor. Are you afraid Mudcatters are going to get brainwashed or something? Do you think this petition got lots of signatures because of the Mudcat thread? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 03 Jun 18 - 01:05 AM ...and... some while ago British far right neo n@zis worked out that they would be far more appealing to middle of the road conservatives if they tidied themselves up and dropped the skinhead gear and facial tattoos for smart casual wear, or business suit and tie... Likewise, their skills of PR communications are a lot less ranty and now more even tempered and 'objective' in insinuating their propaganda... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: punkfolkrocker Date: 03 Jun 18 - 12:51 AM Joe - a long time ago I learned it's the persons behind the words they utter that must be evaluated and judged... Their words in themselves will often be feigning innocence, mealy mouthed, and deceptive... hint - the mudcatter I most have issues with... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 18 - 11:11 PM Jim, here's the Original Post (OP) of the Tommy Robinson thread. The post seems to me to be quite objective and dispassionate, and I don't find anything objectionable about it at all: Subject: BS: Tommy Robinson's Arrest From: Tunesmith - PM Date: 27 May 18 - 10:49 AM Tommy Robinson is a Brit and is outspokenly critical of many aspects of Islam in the UK. Yesterday, he was arrested for "breaching the peace", and immediately sentenced to a 13 month prison sentence. This has caused a lot of outrage, not only of Tommy supporters, but from many who feel that free speech is under attack. I'll be interested to see how this plays out. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 18 - 11:04 PM Hi, Jim - I am appalled and insulted and morally outraged almost every day by the statements of Donald Trump. He's the President of the United States and he's supposed to be representing my country and me - so I think I'm right (maybe obliged) to be outraged when he recites his racist, nationalist crap. When Tommy Robinson says something racist, I am not outraged - I just think he's an idiot. And if somebody posts something at Mudcat supporting Tommy Robinson, I feel no obligation to be outraged or to take action against the poster - I just think he's an idiot, too. He's not representing me and he's not representing Mudcat, so I feel no obligation to be outraged. There are lots of idiots in the world. I don't have enough energy to be outraged by every one of them. But Trump, well....Trump is another matter. I despise the bastard. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Jun 18 - 07:29 PM "I suppose this is the Tommy Robinson thread" That's the one Joe - a member of at least five racist organisations, one of them the British National Party whose members have been exposed in this forum, warned against and prevented from posting - two of the other organisations he started himself He was arrested, charged and found guilty of attempting to influence the result of a trial of suspected Asian Sex groomers - think David Duke without the pointy hat and with a Limey accent If this is the type of person you think fit to be heard on this forum, we come to our individual conclusions from different ends of the moral spectrum The OP more or less described his arrest as the actions of a police state and we were treated to a running commentary of how many people had signed the petition for his release by another poster - that particular poster continues to defend him here Things must be very different in America, but there again, you did elect a racist, misogynist, war-mongering moron to led your country Free speech comes with the expectation that you use it responsibly and, in Britain at least, if you don't you find yourself in trouble with a legal system set up to protect the most vulnerable of our sociaty On more than one occasion, those laws have been breached by members of this forum A site such as this one proclaiming an interest in traditional music would benefit greatly from the presence of peoples of other cultures - I believe there were a few at one time - no more Something to be proud of, eh! I became used to hiding my Irish family connections in London; I was not surprised when I leaned that around a quarter of indigenous British people were reckoned to hold and have expressed racist views. It is sheer pleasure to be able to discuss Irish traditional song and music but of late I have become somewhat irritated to find myself as "living in a bog" with a few snide references to my age thrown in for good measure (this from a member who began to post personal abuse to those who disagreed with him shortly after he joined us and has continued to do so for several years, up to fairly recently - I have posted lists of at least a hundred of his examples with varying degrees of effect - you commented on one list recently (rather unsatisfactorily in my opinion) before you punished us all by closing the thread. I love being a member of this forum and am constantly knocked sideways by the knowledge psessed by the members collectively - I find myself overwhelmed by people's reediness to help and to share their material It only takes a couple of gluggers (a good Irish word I must post to the 'strange words thread) to fuck that up for the rest of us Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Big Al Whittle Date: 02 Jun 18 - 05:30 PM Nazi-ism has always had that 'sprat to catch a mackerel' sort of approach. They confront you with statements its hard to disagree with, but as Eliot so succinctly put it - its 'a tedious argument of insidious intent'. Everybody loves their country, everybody detests the actions of the Asian sex grooming gangs....but if you're a certain age , when you're dealing with certain factions, you know fucking well, theres going to be two gates at the end of the line with 'Arbeit Macht Frei' over the top. I suppose I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. I certainly get upset at the way some of our gang get routinely turned upon - with what seems like very little evidence of evil intent, to me. Not sure I'd give TR the time of day, with his track record. The right wing groups are scary people in England. I've seen them outside school gates trying to recruit children THey made a mock website with me and Nick Griffin on - they must really fucking hate me, for some reason. They used to have summercamps round where we lived on the Notts/Derby border. Hordes of weird bullet headed looking guys. Nah...don't take the sweets. 2468 motorway notwithstanding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subject From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 02 Jun 18 - 05:05 PM Just because people recognise the mistakes that get in the way of threads surviving without degenerating into mud-slinging exercises that never seems to get in the way of them going on, often within a few posts, to do the very things they've rightly identified as toxic. In all my life I doubt if I've ever run into anyone who shares my set of opinions on everything. But just about invariably I've found that however deep and wide the disagreement is, there'll be other things where we agree. And one of the most important aspects of the Mudcat is that it's got a solid foundation in love of the music (even though we disagree about that too). The sad thing is, that's been eroded in recent years, with too many people who never seem to venture above the line, to post or, I suspect, to read what others have posted. (Can you trust anyone who never posts on the music side of the site?....) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 18 - 04:50 PM I was wondering about this campaign to get signatures in support of a Nazi. I suppose this is the Tommy Robinson thread. I suppose there were some people here who might support Robinson. I don't find it appalling that they should be allowed to express their opinions, and I hope that Mudcat is never forced to resort to that level of censorship. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Senoufou Date: 02 Jun 18 - 04:35 PM I post on various threads because I love to chat and to learn about other people's views and experiences, especially those from other countries. I've learnt an awful lot on here over the years. I suppose I just enjoy making contact with my fellow human beings and exchanging thoughts and ideas. I do love people (always have) and talk to anyone, in supermarkets, at bus stops, at the doctor's, and most folk love to respond and have their say. Mudcat is like that too. I don't mind strong opinions, but there comes a point where it gets unnecessarily nasty. I wish folk wouldn't write vicious stuff or get personal. Insults aren't helpful, neither do they contribute to the discussion. It would be awful for a new visitor to the forum to see some of the hideous wrangling and decide not to join. Every group needs new blood, and these types of threads give a bad impression in my opinion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Iains Date: 02 Jun 18 - 04:25 PM "I was appalled recently when this forum was used to promote a known Nazi and collect signatures to protest his arrest" So would I be! Hmmmm! Is this not a prime example of the wild and inflammatory statements that generate the nastiness that leads to thread closure(and very rightly in my opinion) Who is the nazi? Who is collecting signatures on this forum? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Joe Offer Date: 02 Jun 18 - 03:49 PM Jeri poses a good question: Why do I write? I don't know that there's an easy answer to that. I suppose I write mostly for myself, but always with others in mind. I suppose I'm not as certain about my thinking as other people are about theirs. One big reason why I write, it to test out my thinking before myself and those who read what I write. If I can put it down on paper (or a computer screen) and have it make sense, then I think I'm getting somewhere. The process of writing, is part of my process of thinking - writing things out helps me to formulate my thinking, to put shape to what was nebulous. Most of the time, I find that once I write things out, my ideas are not quite as profound as I thought they were. The exception is, that the messages I post that don't "take" and disappear forever, are my most profound thoughts that would really impress all of you with how wise I really am..... -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Backwoodsman Date: 02 Jun 18 - 03:45 PM Amen to all of that, Jim - a considered, thoughtful, well-articulated post IMHO. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Jun 18 - 03:17 PM Whoops - sorry Jim |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Jim Carroll Date: 02 Jun 18 - 03:16 PM Jeri I can only speak for myself, but I have been left with the impression that most people here post for the same reason I do, because the subjects we post on interest us I have had a lifelong interest in both politics and music - I've been active in both since I was a teenager This forum satisfies both in enabling me to share ideas with others I had no problem doing so regularly in Britain where I lived in three major cities - no longer the case in rural Ireland, so I am grateful to be able to continue to share ideas with people who share my interests Over the time I have been here I have learned a tremendous amount from others and have been inspired to look elsewhere based on these discussions Most of us have no voice, no outlet for our ideas and no opportunity to add or subtract from them Without naming names, the few who don't and who give the appearance of treating these discussions as a win/lose game spoil it for those who don't behave like that A few, a believe, come to use this forum as a propaganda platform - I know some people in the past have been thrown off for doing so. I was appalled recently when this forum was used to promote a known Nazi and collect signatures to protest his arrest To be honest, I take offence as your "psychopathic" reference - you would have closed a thread if one of us had said similar Some of us take our interests seriously and blow our tops occasionally - I may be disremembering but wasn't it a mod who blew her top and became abusive at an adverse comment about Bob Dylan ? It happens to the best of us I was asked to ne a mod once - a long, long time ago - must have been far more moderate than I am now! Personally, I wouldn't have your job for a big clock - it must be as difficult as herding fog and certainly as thankless Some of us have tried to clean up our own act and those of others - it's worked to a degree but some differences in attitude seem impossible to resolve I decided to handle one of my main problems by ignoring the person involved and I suggested to some I knew felt as I did that they did the same - reading some of the comments here - it seems your damned if you do, you're damned if you don't It's never a question of disagreement - happy to disagree until the cows come home - I sorely miss a poster who died some time ago, though, whenever certain subjects came up we virtually spat at each other, yet we continued to be friends - there aren't many MtheGMs around It really is a matter of self-awareness and behaviour - that goes for all of us. I think there has to be a Plimsoll Line of behaviour below which we don't tolerate I have always been disappointed that there are not many people from other cultures on this forum, both above and below the line - If I were an immigrant or a Traveller I wouldn't come near this site without protective clothing - it's bad enough having Irish connections sometimes. There are nowhere near enough women posting - this does tend to be a WASP boys club I too am sad to have seen people depart, and I feel guilty that I may have been part of them doing so That feeling appears not to be shared by some people until it is we will continue to have these problems Sorry to bang on - thanks fro your toleration Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Emotional Subjects From: Kenny B (inactive) Date: 02 Jun 18 - 01:09 PM Jeri I'm mostly a reader along with a number of others and I write mostly when I see people making uncalled for attacks on other posters or attempts at cyber bullying. I find Mudcat with no equal in the field of international folk music. Recently I posted a link to a thread from a number of years ago where the emotions were as high as now but with different personnel but not so personal and nasty and I thought "come back Conrad Bladey all is forgiven" after a further read and think I agreed that his departure was a good thing. |
