Labour - the party of Remain

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 05:11 AM

I am glad you see the FT as a propaganda mouthpiece. This may in part explain Labour's consistent financial ineptitude, if it is a party wide view .

Jeremy Corbyn YouGov poll
Sample Size: 1749 GB Adults Fieldwork: 16th - 17th July 2019

I would want him managing the Brexit process and to run the country afterwards 10%
I would want him managing the Brexit process, but not to run the country afterwards 3%
I would not want him managing the Brexit process, but I would want him to run the country afterwards 7%

Fairly dire results by anyone's standards! T'would appear Compo is best off among his cabbages on the allotment.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 05:13 AM

I don't agree BWM, the far right were ignores for far too long, instead of being taken down at the start. The dirt on Banks was dished up far too late, and there is plenty on Johnson and Farage that we don't make nearly enough of. Darius Guppy for example. The characters of these charlatans should be ruthlessly exposed.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 05:26 AM

"don’t feed the troll!"
Totally agree
Our homegrown one exposes his vacuuity with his mindless stream of propaganda -
Anybody who suggests a Labour leader would destroy a long-destroyed economy makes a far better job of it than we could
Plenty moe to discuss without Iaian's light relief
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 05:30 AM

The ‘propagandist’ I was referring to is our Resident Right-Wing Extremist Troll.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 05:35 AM

The ‘propagandist’ I was referring to is our Resident Right-Wing Extremist Troll, who seems to have his tongue firmly planted in the arse-crack of at least one of the Mods.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 05:55 AM

With respect, I'm increasingly of the opinion that we take a pot at the mods way too often. Iains does it all the time in his uniquely-lamentable fashion and when we join in it puts us in his camp. I only know of three mods and I doubt whether any of them spend that much time reading all our frequently-aimless input. They don't always do what some might want them to (eg, get rid of him) and they may miss things and even put their foot in it. But they don't get paid. And Iains does get deleted a lot.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 06:06 AM

I didn’t appreciate the green comment, Steve. Completely uncalled for.

If the Mods want to be respected and taken seriously, they won’t achieve that by snarky, anonymous stuff like that little gem.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 06:17 AM

As I said, they can put their foot in it. The "green" comment should have been posted as a non-mod comment (or preferably not at all). Comments made with mod hat on should be, er, moderate...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 06:22 AM

The thread title is Labour the party of remain. The same party that got elected on a leave ticket, just like the Tories.
Leave won the referendum. A fact the left refuses to acknowledge!
When this is pointed out by the few supporting Brexit the immediate response of the remainers is continuous insults:

Our homegrown one exposes his vacuuity with his mindless stream of propaganda -

Resident Right-Wing Extremist Troll, who seems to have his tongue firmly planted in the arse-crack of at least one of the Mods.

...it is of no interest to me if the party wants to continue to self destruct..."
...he gasped, as he approached orgasm....

Not forgetting of course any counter view to that of the cabal is immediately labelled trolling.
However the counter view had the majority vote in the referendum.
Another undeniable fact!
The vast majority of insults come from the lefties.Yet another undeniable fact.
Now the common definition of trolling is:In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages.
There are three examples above and how many aimless witterings come from the left about recipes, food, wine and ramblings when the unpalatable truths are presented to them?

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 07:13 AM

I am not worried about Iains. It is the likes of Farage, Johnson, Banks, Yaxley-Lennon whom we need to take down. And to use whatever non-violent means we have to do it. Why has Johnson's bust up with his latest piece of fluff gone silent for instance. Johnson has a squalid private life, which should be all over social media and billboards all over the country. Why is someone found to have committed electoral fraud allowed to use his ill-gotten wealth to intimidate journalists, without any retribution? The juxtaposition of Farage and his mob turning their backs on the European Parliament with the Nazis doing the same in 1930, that should be on billboards everywhere. Civilized people are being too damn civilized, and allowing the extremists to roll over them.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 07:36 AM

I completely agree David. But here, on this forum, we are all just nobodies expressing our displeasure, and we have one troll deliberately posting very selective, highly spun posts with no purpose other than to antagonise the majority. When they fail to achieve his purpose, he resorts to insult and abuse. And, of course, he plays the old barrack-room-bully’s game of running to Sir(s) playing the victim.

He’s not a politician, he has no influence, he’s an ex-squaddie barrack-room-bully-boy nonce who gets his sorry-ass kicks from sowing dissent and causing argument on the Internet by posting inflammatory stuff, and he’s best ignored.

Save your argument and outrage for those who can actually influence the outcome of issues that affect our lives. Ignore the troll.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 08:18 AM

He’s not a politician, he has no influence, he’s an ex-squaddie barrack-room-bully-boy nonce who gets his sorry-ass kicks from sowing dissent and causing argument on the Internet by posting inflammatory stuff, and he’s best ignored.

As was said to one of your acolytes some years back:
Your attempts to elevate are very childish. Read the rules, follow them, everything is great. They apply to everyone.
Debate issues, leave personal attacks home.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 08:41 AM

nonce - Wiktionary
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonce

Noun. nonce (plural nonces) (Britain, slang, derogatory) A sex offender, especially one who is guilty of sexual offences against children.

Will the mods please delete the slur above.It goes well beyond what is reasonable.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 09:00 AM

"Debate issues, leave personal attacks home."

I will if you will...


"Noun. Nonce (plural nonces)(Britain, slang, derogatory) A sex offender, especially one who is guilty of sexual offences against children

Will the Mods please delete the slur above. It goes well beyond what is reasonable."

Another selective quote from the R-WE troll. Here's the full definition, including the piece you carefully chose not to include...

"Noun. nonce (plural nonces) (Britain, slang, derogatory) A sex offender, especially one who is guilty of sexual offences against children. That bloke who lives at number 53 is a nonce! (Britain, slang) A stupid or worthless person.
https://en.wiktionary.org › wiki"

As my post made no reference to 'sexual offences', in fact no mention of sex was made in my post, but my post did refer to your stupid, objectionable behaviour on this forum, there is no reason that anyone would assume that I was accusing you of being a sex-offender (and of course I wasn't) - it's perfectly obvious to the unbiased observer that the emboldened part of the definition was the sense in which the word was used.

So, squeal away to the Mods as much as you like, you stupid, worthless person - I really care not one jot.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 09:39 AM

so... a day considering the contentious green comment later...

Are we any clearer in determining if "The cabal's sexual and anal obsessions are best left alone."

was actually posted by a real mod..

or Iains himself impersonating a mod in order to pretend he has a one on his side,
for whatever nefarious reason he has...???

If he is guilty of resorting to such low tricks of maquerading as a mod,
then the real mods should act swiftly to penalise him for such sly tactics...

At the very least, confiscate his coloured crayons and suspend him...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 09:46 AM

Or maybe, if it was written by a mod, that mod might like to clarify why that comment was posted...
and in future communicate in a less confusing manner...

Iains - help the mods out, and show some respect for mudcat...

did you or did you not select a green crayon to write that comment yourself...???

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 10:37 AM

Why has Johnson's bust up with his latest piece of fluff gone silent for instance. Johnson has a squalid private life, which should be all over social media and billboards all over the country

Which part of "private life" is so difficult to understand?

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 10:38 AM

Interesting, Iains, that you took exception to "nonce," which can and does have non-sexual connotations, but not to the reference in your post to your adversaries' "sexual and anal obsessions" (which are unknown to the person who came up with that expression, of course), which can't. Care to explain what looks a bit like a double standard?

Thought not...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 10:42 AM

Nigel, these guys exploit to the full the very public social media and gutter press to further their personal and political agendas. It's time-honoured that such people risk having their dirty linen aired in return. I don't care for that myself, but that's the real world which they help to forge.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 10:58 AM

I don't care who is elected as primus minister, but for me is FOREVER THERESA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 10:59 AM

Iains - stop whining about ad hominem..

It is more than justifiable to not only refute what you write,
but to also identify and expose the malign motivations of the person writing them...

If in the course of robust debate there are exchanges of matey banter insults,
.. well.. that's what grown up blokes do, and have done since cavemen first uttered
"mate, stop being such a whiny **** !!!"...


Of course, we all know that whining about ad hominem is what right wing zealots do as a last resort
when they know they are being beaten in rational informed debate..
That and the associated evasive tactic of accusing their winning opponents of being too vulgar
using coarse language,
so that you can then act all superior and escape from debate with your tail between your legs...

We know those are two mostly used smarmy right wing parachutes out of trouble...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:00 AM

. Care to explain what looks a bit like a double standard?
A few offerings one recent others not so recent but from one thread
"The cabal's sexual and anal obsessions are best left alone."but you insisted

Date: 15 Jul 19 - 03:39 PM
...he gasped, as he approached orgasm....
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 16 Jun 17 - 06:36 PM
You really are a tosser aren't you.
From: punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 01:30 AM
- i asure you my insults are very well reasoned and deserved...
my mudcat persona is usually more moderate than this..
that arse brings all this upon himself...
From: punkfolkrocker - PM
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 12:39 AM
..but I'm only human.. I should have called him a fukwitted life draining right wing c@nt...
theleveller - PM
Date: 17 Jun 17 - 07:34 AM
Iains is a complete and utter wanker
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 21 Jun 17 - 06:48 AM Could we not even say 'He is a right arsehole' or 'a right wanker' PFR? who is this inane iain character - he seems a right poisonous little shit?
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 23 Jun 17 - 06:55 AM
Young Iain decides to try to wind up the old folks on there using decidedly poor manners combined with youthful arrogance.
Most of the posts come across as those of a stroppy teenager so it makes sense. Picture Harry Enfield's 'Kevin' beavering away on here in between masturbating over his latest unreachable fantasy.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:08 AM

Iains - yes, those seem fair enough objective evaluations of you...

Thanks for the reminder... btw, how many months or years have you gone back searching 'em...???

Seeing as you have gone to the trouble, any chance of a fuller list,
these 'greatest hits' have whetted the appetite for more such amusements...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:10 AM

Nope, Iains. That won't do. I asked you a pretty specific question. You whinged like mad about being called a nonce (which has now been explained to you) but let pass without comment a remark in your very own post about your adversaries' sexual and anal obsessions, about which neither you nor the writer of that expression, if it wasn't you, know anything. You accept both or you accept neither, otherwise you are indulging in double standards. Which is it to be?

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:10 AM

oh yes, and now that you have gone all rainbow colours so soon after the UK Pride festivals,
is there something you are working up the confidence to tell us...???

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:34 AM

Iains - yes, those seem fair enough objective evaluations of you...

Thanks for the reminder... btw, how many months or years have you gone back searching 'em...???
A maximum of 2 years one month, every one of the quotes is dated, and the maths is not really that difficult.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:44 AM

Nigel - thanks for that informative put down.
But it really is that difficult for some of us mudcatters with poor eyesight
to cope with such gratuitous abuse of coloured text..

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:45 AM

He might have gone back much further, finding nothing before two years and one month ago, so the question was fair. And it didn't require an answer, what's more. It was rhetorical, like.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 11:51 AM

Nigel - besides which, if pointing that out to me gave you a sense of triumph..

Don't be so bloody literally minded and pedantic...

It is blatantly obvious I wasn't making a serious request for hard facts and figures...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 12:04 PM

So.. who else has noticed in the years since joining mudcat,
that so many of the more actively antagonistic mudcatter 'conservatives'
seem to behave as though they are somewhere on the spectrum...???

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 12:12 PM

If Johnson doesn't like the heat, he can keep well away from the kitchen.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 12:13 PM

It has crossed my mind, pfr (Mrs Steve used to be the school SENCO...), but I'd no sooner try to pin that on anyone than I'd accuse anyone of having unusual sexual or anal predilections...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 12:17 PM

Steve - I agree it would be ungentlemanly to make direct accusations naming names..

But considering the possibility does help us understand better to put them in perspective...

Same as the extent to which successful business leaders and politicians are diagnosable sociopaths...???

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 12:28 PM

Yep. I've certainly considered a number of possibilities here...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 12:40 PM

It's possible that Hilary Benn may join conservatives in which case he may become prime minister at some point in time!!!

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 12:48 PM

Bonz - whoever we tend to habitually vote for,
it has become apparent that we are now in a political era
requiring some realignment...

There are other labour MPs who I would be happier
if they would do the decent thing and cross the floor
to where they most at heart belong...

Margaret Hodge is top of my mind right now...

Though maybe she thinks she can achieve more for the tories from staying within the Labour party...???

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 04:25 PM

Though maybe she thinks she can achieve more for the tories from staying within the Labour party...???
Quite possibly, but when it comes to helping the tories poor old compo leaves everyone else in the shade! and now this:

Jeremy Corbyn's top aide instructed party officials to compile a dossier setting out how Labour's highest disciplinary body could be challenged, leaked emails have revealed.

Mr Corbyn's chief of staff, Karie Murphy, said it was "absurd"
the National Constitutional Committee (NCC) - which operates independently of the party's governing body - was able to "overrule" concerns raised by the leadership.

The time has come,' old compo said,
      To talk of many things:
False News — and slips — and sealing-wax —
      Of cabbages — and things
And why my party is going to pot —
      And whether pigs have wings.'

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: David Carter (UK)
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 04:26 PM

I think Margaret Hodge is fixated on a single issue, and this has blinded her to the reasons that she was in Labour in the first place, which was to get rid of the tories. I don't think she actually agrees with the tories, but is blind to the fact that she is doing their work. I don't think that Hilary Benn would join the tories. He has opposed the current Labour leader, but I am sure that with his background he appreciates that the tories are far, far worse.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 04:52 PM

Iains seems to have forgot how many times I've explained,
I've never been a member of the Labour party, probably never will be,
and am not a Corbynite..

[I have never cared much for the cult of personality...
That's something us old punkrockers hold fast on..
"No more heroes..."]

Iains - pin back your ears again and try to listen one more time..

What I actually am, is an anti tory who sees voting for the Labour party
as the only serious way of banishing the tories from power every now and then..
I myself have plenty I can carp on about criticizing
the currently terminally self destructive Labour party..

As such, all Iains efforts to 'upset' me when he so childishly insults Corbyn are wasted...
I've been looking forward to Jezza's successor ever since he was surprisingly appointed
as the best of a mediocre at best, and treacherous at worst, bunch...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Jul 19 - 05:28 PM

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Margaret Hodge is a disreputable woman who has failed in every role given to her, and who has done damage, especially to vulnerable children at the hands of paedophiles, and her complacent and careless handlings of such issues was far from being a one-off. At last count she has been obliged to issue at least four abject apologies for her mishandlings. You can all google. She is an anti-Corbyn obsessive who has bigged up her rather tenuous links to Judaism (her parents were refugees but she herself can hardly claim, as she often does, to be a victim of antisemitism) in order to attack him. Go on, have a look at her record. And that's how we judge people, not by their come-froms. The woman is a disgrace.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 04:09 AM

The most obvious description of a wanker is someone who gives pleasure to no one but himself. If the cap fits...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 04:26 AM

Remember this little gem addressed to the gnome? It portrays you more accurately as a spiteful little goblin:
Why do you have such a craving for causing trouble? You sound so much like a church lady I once knew - very pious on the outside, but just itching to cause a fight wherever she was. She was the most hateful person in the congregation, but she tried so hard to maintain a pious facade. Sounds just like you.

Don't you have anything better to do with your time?

Nothing to add to the discussion? so back to the insults?

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 04:38 AM

See what I mean?

I wonder who found that 6 and 7/8ths was indeed the perfect size?

I did try reason for a while. It obviously didn't work. Back to totally ignoring I think.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 07:45 AM

Iains - can you please stop being such an inconsiderate show off prick
with your self-indulgent coloured text wankery.

It shows no respect for mudcaters with eyesight problems..

Instead of wasting your useless life digging up your usual crap off the internet,
do some actually useful reseach on google regarding text colour
and viual impairment.

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 07:53 AM

..or maybe you already have..

and you are doing it deliberately out of spite
to cause inconvenience and discomfort to other mudcatters..

Who knows, anything is possible with you and your warped malicious motives...???

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 08:14 AM

”I did try reason for a while. It obviously didn't work. Back to totally ignoring I think.”

You know it makes sense...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Iains
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 08:36 AM

Iains - can you please stop being such an inconsiderate show off prick
with your self-indulgent coloured text wankery.

You leftards seem have a compulsion on wanking. Have you thought of trying therapy? Does it make you go blind?

Are you a morning ,noon and night person like the gnome or are you a binge masturbator that can lock themself in their home or a motel room for days on end, losing all track of time and life in the real world.
Allow me to point you in the right direction with your disorder. There would seem to be a number of you suffering.
My commiserations. I have no such disorder.
https://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2012/05/compulsive-masturbation-the-secret-sexual-disorder/

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 08:48 AM

Mods - please can you have a firm word with Iains and take his crayon box off him...

Ignore any further petulance and tantrums if he refuses to hand them over...

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 09:10 AM

Iains - your selfish arrogant contempt for mudcatters with failing eyesight is clear enough for all to see
and take note of...

What other disabilities do you mock with such relish and spite...???

Subject: RE: Labour - the party of Remain
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 Jul 19 - 09:33 AM

"You leftards seem have a compulsion on wanking. Have you thought of trying therapy? Does it make you go blind?

Are you a morning ,noon and night person like the gnome or are you a binge masturbator that can lock themself in their home or a motel room for days on end, losing all track of time and life in the real world.
Allow me to point you in the right direction with your disorder. There would seem to be a number of you suffering.
My commiserations. I have no such disorder.
https://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2012/05/compulsive-masturbation-the-secret-sexual-disorder/"

From the member who goes squealing like a big girl to the Mods that, "Thothe naughty boyth over there have been thaying nathty thingth to me!"

Now everybody, repeat after me..."IGNORE THE TROLL".