Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 Sep 22 - 01:55 PM I'll never see unusual lights during electrical storms around here because I'm too busy looking down to not trip on the dog who insists on sticking right behind me in such weather. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 22 - 05:26 PM There was zero indications of anything electrical or magnetic. I do not know what it was but a dimensional incursion theory obeys the parameters and shape of a hypersphere as seen in 3D space. There is no shortage of witness descriptions going back 12 years |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 01 Sep 22 - 02:22 PM Static electricity, similar to St. Elmo's Fire. Fire up a Vandegraff generator and put your hand on it -- see if you can get sparks off the fingertips of your free hand. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 22 - 01:14 PM I put my finger on the first nebulous globe (foggy but translucent) and there was no discharge. It did produce ultra sound that made the cat fluff up but for me it was just a slight hiss. They could pass through brick walls without any interaction. At first I made a dimensional incursion explanation but it remains unknown. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 01 Sep 22 - 05:26 AM > Evidence is thin on the ground .... due to problems with reproducibility. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 01 Sep 22 - 05:18 AM > 2 small globes of nebulus light Ball lightning? Evidence is thin on the ground (or in the air, if you insist). I saw something recently which suggested seeing ball lightning may be due to standard lightning strikes* causing currents to flow in certain parts of the brain (the visual cortex iirc). If severely provoked, I'll attempt to track this down again. * In the observer's vicinity, not striking the observer. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 01 Sep 22 - 01:06 AM I would never claim you did. My point is you demonstrated how eager people are to serve an Emporer and have an exalted position for entertainment. A real paid position might have even more appeal. Whew, it's been 50 years since I first saw a cigar-shaped UFO cross the sky from horizon to horizon in under 3 seconds. I've had only 3 closer encounters since then. A 4th extremely close encounter was of 2 small globes of nebulus light. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 31 Aug 22 - 09:19 PM I don’t know anyone with an AR type rifle, including veterans and cops. Personally owned, that is. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 22 - 05:21 PM Congratulations Rap on your presient thread regarding emporer and its appeal. Today QAnon refers to TRUMP as GEOTUS instead of POTUS. Global Emporer of the US. Also today Trump placed full support behind QAnon and their 5% or the 20 million people with AR 15s. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 22 - 03:39 PM My cosmology: is at a point where the concept of inflation continues as the nature of space continues to expand faster (dark energy). Where black holes can wormhole to a different space (what it does then is a mystery but it could spark a new baby universe) and that black holes evaporate from within and without. Where our universe has no big crunch but instead returns to a thinned out quantum nothingness when the universe has no idea how big or small it is and a quantum fluctuation variation can set the nothing back into the process of a big bang expansion of somethingness. The universe at a maximum scale looks the same as neurons and axions or the shape of a growing branching slime mold. Where dark matter is the framework trunk and branches supporting the leaves of visible matter. Most of us now see the universe in a non euclidian geometry with some unknown additional dimensions floating in a sea of uncertainty. I fear I am not smart enough to know about mysteries I am not even aware of. Such as the thoughts of the neuron like universe. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 22 - 10:04 AM "When facing questions about the inscrutable ineffable unknown, you can find the limits of the possible by forcing yourself through a crack into the new impossible. Picking and choosing facts from the past may seem more reliable but it won't change paradigms or discoveries. However past knowledge sometimes partially 'rhymes' with a new truth. Once in the realm of the impossible, expect to be wrong most, if not all the time. Not everyone has that kind of humility and imagination but we all have the capacity for invention." Quote Donuel. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 30 Aug 22 - 09:53 AM I was born in a little log cabin I built myself. 3100. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 30 Aug 22 - 06:11 AM I was born in Illinois but it wasn't in a log cabin. The red mineral poor soil may have an effect on the people raised there in infancy just like Superman. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 30 Aug 22 - 02:28 AM Ronald Reagan, Barack Obama, Hiram Ulysses Grant, and Abraham Lincoln were, like me, from Illinois. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 29 Aug 22 - 02:16 PM Aretha Franklin Morgan Freeman Tina Turner Quentin Tarantino Miley Cyrus Kathy Bates are all from Tennesee |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: keberoxu Date: 28 Aug 22 - 10:35 PM Did you know that actor Johnny Depp is a native of Kentucky? |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 28 Aug 22 - 09:47 PM Did you know that the oath of any office in Kentucky, from Library Trustee to the Governor, includes a section saying that the oath-taker hasn't fought a duel with deadly weapons in Kentucky or anywhere else nor have they acted in any part of a duel, and that as long as they are a citizen of the State they won't do such things? I suppose a musical duel or a flyting or such would be okay. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 26 Aug 22 - 09:00 PM Aaaaaaand…it did. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 25 Aug 22 - 08:52 PM It happens all the time to the wave function. Rap's beloved Quark and gluon may only be smaller details of a data set that the interface of spacetime only makes them appear real. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 24 Aug 22 - 09:26 PM And tomorrow will come soon enough. Tomorrow will be extremely busy and I hope I can get it all done. Yes, I have nothing, nada, rien on my schedule so the whole thing will collapse on me. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 24 Aug 22 - 12:35 AM To paraphrase Amos "perhaps reality repeats its self and consciousness like a fractal" Like Goedel said "We will find many things that are true but can not be proven". That implies that there will not be a theory of everything but rather repeating patterns and shapes in variant combinations. Perhaps the shape of a snowflake was a greater reality hiding in plain sight and future people will laugh at our stupid stubborness. Intuitionist mathmatics vs real number math is a real dichotomy of thought today. The new wrinkle is that when we seperate living and non living it is only an artifact of our spacetime interface. Amplituhedron theory challenges the notion that spacetime locality and unitarity are necessary components of a model of particle interactions. Instead, they are treated as properties that emerge from an underlying phenomenon. The connection between the amplituhedron and scattering amplitudes is a conjecture that has passed many non-trivial checks, including an understanding of how locality and unitarity arise as consequences of positivity. Research has been led by Nima Arkani-Hamed. Edward Witten described the work as "very unexpected" and said that "it is difficult to guess what will happen or what the lessons will turn out to be". |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 23 Aug 22 - 11:49 PM We can look at neurons but you are not looking at thoughts. We can look at the mega structures of the universe and although they all look like neurons we are not seeing consciousness. The underlying fundamentals can be much different of reductionist spaace time. Non reductionist thinking |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 23 Aug 22 - 11:33 PM There comes a point in a drought when you can't grow those things. As you say famine looms. I retreat into the new physics alternative that may be more fundamental than the notion of space time. Many new scientists say that space time is doomed. Spacetime may only be an interface for our understanding of the universe that resembles the interplay of hardware and google software as we stare at our keyboard. The alternative to a more fundamental reality will have to satisfy all the relationships that space time gives us but with fewer terms and fields and loops. The way this is being done is the way I have said is geometry. It may be non Euclidian with more dimensions but it is geometry of a combination of shapes and has a history in its conception. Time as geometry |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 23 Aug 22 - 09:19 PM Can you live without barley? Without potatoes? Without wheat? Without lentils? These are some of Idaho's top crops and the prices are going to go up. Then there's the Chobani yogurt bunch, over near Jerome. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 23 Aug 22 - 04:20 PM I can live without almonds that take more water to grow than everything else. https://msfagriculture.com/2020/01/18/which-crops-consume-the-most-water/ |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 22 Aug 22 - 09:16 PM Seems like with water right now it's feast or famine. And without water famine looms. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 22 Aug 22 - 08:57 PM No need to be naughty. Besides they are recently making alot of sense with their discussion of water shortages in climate change times. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Stilly River Sage Date: 19 Aug 22 - 04:09 PM Regarding other threads, I notice the "BS: Brexit & other UK political topics" thread is hundreds of posts longer than this MOABannex - but it's all BS. I could swap out the titles to give MOAB the higher post count and they'd probably never notice. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 19 Aug 22 - 09:53 AM He may not be found guilty, but innocent? him? |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 19 Aug 22 - 09:29 AM =========TRUMP IS INNOCENT========= UNLESS THE TEFLON DON IS PROVEN GUILTY btw teflon was proven toxic |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 18 Aug 22 - 08:18 PM Stilly would post this here come the cowardly threats |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 18 Aug 22 - 06:18 PM Maga favorite things Blacklists and boycots and phone threats and vi'lence Red hats with camo and ammo in black vests Its hard to know if they do as their told All I know is that they'll never grow old MAGA country has boycotted everything from CNN to the Oreo cookie; oftentimes making public display of themselves burning or destroying the offending merchandise. Keeping track of the ever-growing MAGA blacklist can be difficult. To help, we’ve collected them all in one place. If you are a MAGA fan, you are obligated to avoid the following: Conservatives Keep Blowing Up Things They Bought to Own Libs FIRE BRANDS Kelly Weill WALMART Despite Walmart’s long-stereotyped status as a bastion of conservative middle America, one year ago the hashtag #BoycottWalmart spread among Trump supporters. The company’s offense? Third-party markets on Walmart’s website sold T-shirts with “Impeach Trump” and “Impeach 45” emblazoned on them. The nuance that Walmart didn’t actually produce the shirts—just acted as a host for third-party sales—was lost on Trump supporters however. A Walmart spokesperson reiterated that the items were sold by a third party, and said they would reassess what is sold in the marketplace. “We’re removing these types of items pending review of our marketplace policies,” the spokesperson said. Less than a year later, however, the company jumped back into MAGA hot water. The retail chain produced an ad in June featuring two gay men going on a first date at a Walmart. Naturally, Trump-boosting anti-LGBTQ hate groups were furious. One Million Moms, a website started by the American Family Association, a powerful fundamentalist group, wrote that Walmart “decided to offend many of their conservative customers with their new video,” rather than remain neutral in the “culture war.” The website also started a petition urging Walmart to remove the ad. Part of a christian’s mission statement is to “strengthen the moral foundations of American culture.” The organization has vehemently supported president Trump despite his multiple marriages and innumerable prostitutes. AFA president Tim Wildmon wrote a post early this year titled, “If Trump Fails, We All Lose,” re-affirming his support for the president. “One of the reasons President Trump has been taking unrelenting, incoming fire from the liberal elites... is precisely because he is not ashamed of the Bible, the Constitution, the family, or the free enterprise system.” Concluding: “The God-haters... are after President Trump because in many respects—politically speaking—to them he represents us. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 18 Aug 22 - 05:55 PM His petulance knows no bounds. I only saw ads for the Apprentice but I recall the genuine hurt that his abuse caused. I would ask myself why people invested themselves in that and didn't talk back. I lived through the McCarthy era and people were so scared. Today black lists are back, as usual blacks and Jews are in the crosshairs, a new defund the FBI cry has begun. I know enough Chaos theory to see the erractic disintegration of the Republican party over disparate hate values. Of course criminals are exalting criminal enterprises but from inside state legislatures this time. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 18 Aug 22 - 02:35 PM Vengefulness is part of being a loser because you KNOW you are a loser and anger follows. It eats from the inside outwards. Unfortunately it also destroys others. All of the gold toilets, trophy spouses, private planes, yachts, mansions, clothing, and properties can’t hide what you know you really are. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 18 Aug 22 - 10:58 AM OK, but he is also obsessively vengeful. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Aug 22 - 09:42 AM Indeed they do! (I've been posting Trump stuff over on the Trump thread but he's so full of BS it could have been duplicated here.) |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 18 Aug 22 - 09:32 AM > He wanted to feel powerful You have hit the nail on the head, Rap: overcompensated inferiority complex. His father, and Norman Vincent Peale, have much to answer for. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Rapparee Date: 17 Aug 22 - 10:19 PM He wanted to feel powerful, like he did in the White House. By having such things he didn't have to admit he that was, and is, a loser. Being a loser is what he fears more than anything else. He dodged the draft (not that he would have gone anyway if he was drafted), he's been married three times (?) and had God alone knows how many trysts and affairs, he's driven others into bankruptcy and out of business (generally small businesses who he wasn't going to pay anyway), and used the courts as his private weapon. Losers do these things, and then they bury an ex-wife in a section of one of his golf courses designated as a private cemetery and thus probably non-taxable. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 16 Aug 22 - 07:17 AM The question of why would Trump want classified docs is on everyone's mind. I ask what is important to the Trump mindset? REVENGE I bet he thought of setting someone else up for arrest. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 15 Aug 22 - 09:16 PM If you know anything about Rembrandt's Storm on the Sea of Galile you know it was his only seascape. What you don't know is that after its theft it was used as a virtual get out of jail card several times for Al's crew. If things went bad it was understood that its ownership would be determined by a last man standing tontine. Well that has come and gone, but the painting is still here except it is a bit smaller now after being cut from the frame. shame |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 15 Aug 22 - 08:34 PM 8 posts in a row is a record better than 3003. With great excitement, I noticed, along with my cat, two globes of nebulous light go through brick walls and fly slowly below my bedroom ceiling. That's when I started my amateur study of physics with a tabula rasa geometric point of view. Was it a different dimension I had not seen before? Was it ball lightning or another form of electricity? I stood on the couch and touched its event horizon, afraid to stick my hand inside this mysterious sphere. It went through more walls and I lost track of both. My first step was to read the book Flatland several times I could almost see a hypersphere with time and practice. I remembered the globes made a very faint sound like a high fizz. Maybe that's why my cat fluffed up, was it a loud ultrasound? The universe is made of patterns and some of those are just illusions. I used to think a mirror switched left to right but it's an illusion. It's just reflecting front to back like looking at someone in front of me. Were the globes illusions that fooled the cat and me, it wasn't a delusion. 30+ years later I can't rule out that I saw a quantum effect. If you look at the 'rainbow' side of a DVD you are seeing the quantum behavior of quantum particles called photons. The grooves on the mirror side act like a double slit experiment allowing photons to take all paths, unlike a smooth mirror. Different paths make different colors so we are seeing the quantum field behavior of photons. The globes are still a mystery but the mystery opened a whole new world. In this world friends say "I don't know what you are going on about". Once you've seen positron ions (antimatter) annihilate with your naked eye it's hard to not look at the world more deeply, completely, and with more questions. Donald Rumsfeld is known for his list of known knowns to unknown unknowns with every combination in between. He actually missed one, unknown knowns, which might be the unconscious mind. It does raise the question about things we can never know. I have 3 billion base pairs in my DNA and I am not that smart so it won't be me to discover what can't be known. Besides now that we have Chaos theory it is reasonable to never know. Fractals of infinite complexity makes predictions almost impossible. But there was this guy named Einstein...and he died still wondering. I bet all he needed were new tools. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - the two most evil men in the world From: Donuel Date: 15 Aug 22 - 01:09 PM its a whole new world I can show you the world Shining, shimmering, splendid Tell me, princess, now when did You last let your heart decide? I can open your eyes Take you wonder by wonder Over, sideways and under On a magic carpet ride An Epstein world A new fantastic point of view No one to tell us, "NO" Or where to go Or say we're only dreaming An Epstein world A dazzling place you never knew But when I'm way up here It's crystal clear That now you're in a Epstein world with me (Now you're in a Epstein world with me) Unbelievable sights Indescribable feeling Soaring, tumbling, freewheeling Through an endless diamond sky A world (don't you dare! close your eyes!) A hundred thousand things to see (hold your breasts, it gets painful) I'm like a shooting star, I've come so far I can't go back to where I used to be An Epstein world With new horizons to pursue I'll chase you anywhere There's time to spare Let me share this Epstein world with you An A hole world (an A hole world) My new fantastic point of view No one to tell us, "NO" Or where to go Or say we're only dreaming A EPSTEIN world (every turn, a surprise) With new horizons to pursue (every moment, red-letter) I'll chase them anywhere, there's time to heal And then we're home (there's time to heal) Lets share this Jeffery Epstein world A secret world (a secret world) That's where we'll be (that's where we'll be) A thrilling chase (a wondrous place) For me just me It's a Small World (It's a Small World) It's a world of laughter and crime careers It's a world of dopes And a world of fears There's so much that he dared and how he made us scared He's a small man afterall, He's a small man afterall He's a small man afterall He's a small man afterall He's a small, small man There's good on both sides now And one golden T And a smile means That he took ev'ryone Though the mountains divide And the oceans are wide He's a dumb man after all He's a dumb man after all He's a dumb man after all He's so god damn dumb. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 15 Aug 22 - 08:07 AM The Nazi Trump song Trump is but a song we sing We will never die We can make the mountains ring Or make the Police cry Though the bird is on the wing And you may not know why Come on, people now We are the Trumpers End the witch hunts and the fake news Time to put Trump in power right now Some may come and some may go He will surely pass Adolf Hitler left us here Returns for us at last We have traitors in our gunsight Fading with a gasp Come on, people now We are the Trumpers End the witch hunts and the fake news Time to put Trump in power right now Come on, people now We are the Trumpers End the witch hunts and the fake news Time to put Trump in power right now Come on, people now We are the Trumpers End the witch hunts and the fake news Make our nation great right now If you hear the song I sing You will understand, listen You hold the gun to rule and fear All in your trembling hand Just one shot unlocks them both It's there at your command Come on, people now We are the Trumpers End the witch hunts and the fake news Make our nation great right now Come on, people now We are the Trumpers End the witch hunt and fake news Make our nation great right now I said come on, people now We are the Trumpers End the witch hunts and the fake news Make our nation great right now Right now Right now |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 14 Aug 22 - 06:56 PM With climate change floods on the rise 'The storm on the sea of Galile' should finally provide its greatest comfort. Its theft from the Gardener has been a boon to forgery cons, greedy billionaire suckers as well as millions of museum reproduction sales. But now its time to go home. I had nothing to do with Al Monday and his mafia crew except knowing Al from Bezema Buick in Boston. Mistrust and normal & violent mortality left the painting waiting for the light of day for decades. As mercurial as Al was he had a heart for art first. This was his second Rembrandt and made arrangements with the only reasonable acquaintance he knew he could not trust but rely upon when all else failed or was exhausted. So put a pin in it and recall this when the painting celebrates Christmas this year. btw Al had red hair and had the swagger of Whitey Bulger, just to put a fine point on it. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 14 Aug 22 - 03:23 PM JEHOVA, JEHOVA ...UGH Not only is Bradly not gay he isn't even Jewish or reformed like Bernstien! I think the woke police want Jewish actors to all sound like Jackie Mason and have, as they put it, a Jew face. To rectify this total social reversal I prescribe shock drug therapy of Ibogaine, Psilocybin and Molly cocktail. It has the side effects of making people try to be more creative than they are but it good for what ailes ya. |
Subject: RE: MOAB https://www.rappad From: Donuel Date: 14 Aug 22 - 02:51 PM Woke is broke and liberalism is cancelism. Sure white nationalists have too much red blood in their alcohol stream but the workingman's party doesn't make their members blue bloods. The woke casting police for the make believe world is making rules that defy explanation. Only gay actors should portray gay characters or vice versa. Sean Played Harvey Milk ANATHMA! COMEDIANS are attacked for freedom of expression or being offensive, in someones eyes. Trigger alerts for Shakespear and the Bible. Should Amber Herd only play bed shitters now? Bradley Cooper is playing Leonard Bernstein AND BRADLEY IS NOT GAY or so they say. Professors are fired for using bad words over lectures about bad words. JEHOVA! |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 14 Aug 22 - 11:35 AM Given the nature of the Amerikan right it is IMPOSSIBLE for Trump to die of natural causes. If and when he does, I expect his donations will double. If you thought The Warren Report was a waste of paper I dread the Margie Greene Report. Considering the probable outcome of Trump's enevitable massive heart attack, it is best for Democrats to pray for Donald's longevity. 110 will do. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 14 Aug 22 - 10:20 AM Nazi TV channels enjoy paid cable revenue. Programing varies as well as Gun shows and legal loopholes. Meat and potato shows are often: Ancient Assassins Blood and Fury: America's Civil War Blood Feuds Chasing Conspiracies Codes and Conspiracies Cold War Armageddon Forbidden History Gunslingers Hitler How the World Ends Inside Secret Societies Mafia's Greatest Hits Mafia's Most Wanted Manhunt: Kill or Capture Nazi Death Squad Nazi Fugitives Negotiations for more programing is underway for shows like The Andy Griffith Show. The Bannon Banner The Uncensored Tucker Enemies of the Week Revenge for Heros The Rittenhouse Review Whose a Jew? Thinktanks are being founded for youth education, political candidates, veteran master classes and church & school infiltration. It looks like they are thinking ahead. Public schools are woefully missing civics classes but have something called Social Studies. (No race theory allowed) |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Aug 22 - 10:06 AM Trump apparently thought he'd baffled the FBI with bullshit on Monday last week when they went to search that mausoleum of his. Turns out you can't just say "I declassify" and it's done. And through the week he has gotten more and more pissed off by the stories. His form of BS isn't like anyone else's, it's more an ooze of vitriol and bile. |
Subject: RE: MOAB - Mother of All BS [annex] From: Donuel Date: 14 Aug 22 - 07:38 AM THERE ARE classifications in which the security clearance of individuals themselves is classified. "Whats your clearance rating?" "If I told you I would be in violation of national security." there are also abjectly stupid classification of things like nyt newspaper clippings. |
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