BS: turning the clock back (autumn)

Subject: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 04:53 PM

Please correct me if I'm mistaken, but:

Mudcat has numerous old threads about
turning the clock ahead to daylight saving time in the spring,
but none about
turning the clock back to standard time in the autumn,
at least in the United States.

And here we are, turning the clock back,
it's not yet 17:00 Eastern Standard Time,
and out the window it is after dark already.
That's what I don't like about turning the clock back.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 08:02 PM

I'm not happy about returning to standard time, either. I sleep late and stay awake late. The later the sun sets, the happier I am!

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 09:36 PM

The voters in California voted for year-round Daylight Savings Time, but I don't know if I'll ever see year-round DST in my lifetime. Enabling legislation has to pass the State Legislature, and then the Federal Government has the final say.
You may be aware that the orange-haired guy in the Federal Government, doesn't happen to like California.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Nov 19 - 11:16 PM

Some states don't change their clocks...

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 01:32 AM

Arizona doesn't do Daylight Savings Time. Indiana doesn't really know what it does, because the time zone lines are in strange places.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: JHW
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 05:36 AM

Spring forward, Fall back. Must originate in a country that has Fall.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 06:00 AM

How many different dates for the change are there? Americans always get it a week late, is there any country that changes even later or too soon?

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 06:10 AM

Don't we do it here to stop about twenty Scottish farmers from whingeing?

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: DMcG
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 06:29 AM

The whole business of moving clocks forward and back is fraught with complications. Normally times differ east-west, and the steps are an hour, but in some cases it changes north-south, sometimes by half an hour and in Nepal, for example, it has a 45 minute offset. as an example of a North-South change, the EU is talking about stopping moving the clocks around whereas Northern Ireland would presumably follow the UK. So half the year it would be aligned with the Republic and half not.

Then three letter acronyms are not standardised. Most people in the UK assume BST means British Summer Time, whereas it also means Bangladesh Standard Time. EST means different thing to US citizens to Australian ones.

It is all a bit of a mess, to be honest.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 09:34 AM

If we stay on Standard time, the sun comes up too late, If we change to Daylight Savings time, the sun goes down too early. The obvious problem is that winter days are just too damned short.

I propose that, instead of monkeying around with clocks, we straighten out that tilt in the earth's axis, thus making all days and nights of the same length, regardless of the time of year.

Look at it this way: Would you put up with a tilted axis in, say, an automobile's driveshaft? No! So why should we put up with it in a planet? Let's send it back to the manufacturers and demand that they either fix it or replace it!

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Nov 19 - 10:02 AM

Arizona is a lot more complicated than suggested above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_Arizona

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 02:25 PM

The state of Indiana is a curious problem.

It became the convention, as urban development slowly proceeded West over the generations,
to have divisions,
and some of those conventional divisions
went through the MIDDLE of the state.

I guess people are reluctant to let go of what has always been in place.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: mg
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 04:06 PM

i want standard time year round. i think it is a very bad idea to mess with nature, as well as other countries, states, etc. i hope we see the day where the world has one time. our midnight might be 6 a.m. somewhere but ok. we can eat breakfast at midnight.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 07:17 PM

It has nothing to do with "messing with nature". This modern world needs some way to define local time as well as knowing when it is safe to call a business somewhere else. In the USA, we know California is 3 hours behind New York..... think about how we'd keep track if it was 1400 everywhere. If one want's to almost totally avoid the issue, about the only answer is to live as a hermit in some isolated woods.

As it is time zone maps are available to almost everyone who needs to know.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 07:24 PM

even easier www.timeanddate.com/time/map/

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 08:05 PM

I'm not bothered as long as I know that it's wine o'clock...

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: robomatic
Date: 05 Nov 19 - 08:38 PM

Interesting idea, there is, to move to a single time for the whole world. Eliminate the zones entirely.

Washington Post

Independent - UK

New York Times - Opinion

Other than the above idea, which I'd vote for, I would as an interim measure put Alaska on permanent Daylight Savings Time, and most Alaskans would, too.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: G-Force
Date: 06 Nov 19 - 07:35 AM

Some years ago I came up with what I thought was a brilliant idea. Each night, starting Monday, we would put the clocks forward 10 minutes. After all, nobody would miss ten minutes sleep, would they? Then after six nights the clocks would be an hour ahead, so on Sunday night we'd put the clocks back an hour and we'd all have an extra hour in bed on Monday morning. This would happen every week.

I cannot think why I didn't get a peerage and a Nobel Prize for such a wonderful idea.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: DMcG
Date: 06 Nov 19 - 10:26 AM

An interesting article entitled Some of the worlds most stupid time zones.

You may have to fight past some registration stuff - you don't need to register.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 06 Nov 19 - 12:13 PM

If time zones change as you move east or west, why isn't it January in the southern hemisphere when it's July in the north? That, way Christmas would always be in the winter, wherever you are.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: BobL
Date: 07 Nov 19 - 12:12 PM

But Doug, what would happen at the equator? Christmas - or Easter, or any other date you fancy - all year round perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: keberoxu
Date: 07 Nov 19 - 07:49 PM

... and now it's not only
dark, but cold and sn*wing as well.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Nov 19 - 07:30 PM

Wake me up when we are back to 24 hours in a day.
Keb you will be more relaxed in San Diego.

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 09 Nov 19 - 07:16 AM

But Doug, what would happen at the equator? Christmas - or Easter, or any other date you fancy - all year round perhaps?

People have to make decisions at the international date line. Are they in Tuesday or Wednesday? The equator could wiggle so that countries could be wholly in the north or the south, whichever suited them best.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: turning the clock back (autumn)
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Nov 19 - 05:30 PM

... it's too dark to be
a half-hour before 6 pm ...