BS: UK Politics - Another Try

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 03:32 PM

An interesting collision of facts gleaned today. 38% of the electorate voted leave. 38% of American beer-drinkers think you can catch Coronavirus from Corona beer...

I detect similarities in intellectual deficit...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 07 Mar 20 - 08:26 PM

The favourite in the UK at present (according to a relative) is that the virus was manufactured by the Chinese to control the population
Surprised Boris the Beast and his team haven't latched on to that one as an election-winner for the new order
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 03:19 AM

in my opinion , the best option now for the uk, other than rejoin , is to do a deal with china, their track record in africa is one of rebuilding infrastructure in the country, of course i could be wrong but i think for the nation this would be better than being tied totrade wise to the usa

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 04:51 AM

38% of the electorate voted leave.
Therefore 38% call the shots!

I am surprised you confuse intelligence with simple numerical superiority

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 06:21 AM

The Irish Government has announced that, in the light of the outbreak of the Dreaded Lurgi they are lifting restrictions on the recruiting of medical staff

In line with Brainless Boris and his Muppet Team's plans to plans to stop all these FOREIGN JOHNNIES taking all our jobs and women, it will be interesting to see what they do about the predicted detrimental effects on the NHS
No doubt they will do what they have done in the past, grant medical workers visas, ship the paperwork to Croydon to be shredded and pack them back to where they came from
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Raggytash
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 01:37 PM

Quelle surprise.

A parliamentary watchdog is to investgate just who funded Johnson's holiday in Mustique.

That's three separate enquiries on-going at the moment.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 08 Mar 20 - 01:59 PM

Next if we can investigate which Nation, or international Billionaires
cummings is really working for...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 12:38 PM

Interesting to learn that Prinny has hired Pinochet's defence lawyer to sort out his PAEDO PROBS
At lwast he's done that sort of work before
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 12:44 PM

MORE CHILEAN FACTS
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 02:51 PM

iains ,would you prefer trade deals with china usa or india?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 03:38 PM

The only messages deleted are those containing personal abuse on the below the line threads
Boris the Brute, Cummins the (whatever) and the Priti Bully are the stars of censorship nowadays
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 04:19 PM

I've never been a football fan,
but as a Labour party voter,
I think I might be starting to understand the frustrations and discontent
of loyal supporters of a premier division team that stopped winning games
and can't get their act together...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 06:26 PM

Which team are you thinking of? Can't be Liverpool? Played 29, drawn one, lost one, won 27, won their last one...?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 07:35 PM

Steve - I know eff all about football since I collected esso footballer coins circa 1969..

I was speaking generally, in principle,
and pretending I might know what I'm talking about regarding the league structuring...

I'm aware my lack of football knowledge cancels out some on my proper blokeness
to such an extent,
i might get duffed up for being mistaken for a male feminist...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 08:02 PM

It's all right, mate. I post in the cookery thread, duckie...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Mar 20 - 11:22 PM

Steve, it was still a very good point, so it was left in place for a while.

Posting remarks about events is one thing. Posting rambling abusive rants intended to insult anyone who disagrees with said remarks is what gets them kicked out.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 12:49 AM

Iains , could you answer my question

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 05:03 AM

@Sandman: A sensible person negotiates trade deals wherever a profit can be generated, There is no reason why deals cannot occur with China, India, and the US, and whoever else wishes to trade.Britain has traded worldwide in the past. Why should that change now we are escaping the protectionism of the EU? Protectionism only stifles trade.I have worked in 40 countries on five continents but never in the EU. The EU is not the universal panacea - life continues with every semblance of normality outside, likely because it is normal.
There be dragons was just something to fill empty spaces on old maps. Take it from me - it ain't true.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 06:25 AM

The Tories now have a major problem with serial bullying
IMPECCABLE SOURCE
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Raggytash
Date: 10 Mar 20 - 03:54 PM

Coming from Guido it must be true .............. or not.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 04:16 AM

the problem now iains, is that the uk are in a weak negotiating position to make deals, always negotiate from a position of strength.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 04:18 AM

they have left europe andnow the global economy has been hit by a virus, not a good time to be on ones own

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 05:25 AM

the problem now iains, is that the uk are in a weak negotiating position to make deals, always negotiate from a position of strength.

The trade imbalance with the EU is -67 billion.
Of that figure the bulk is made up by four countries: Germany, Spain, The Netherlands and Belgium (54 billion.)
The jackboot is on the other foot when it comes to leveraged negotiation.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/media-information/2020/brexit-uk-has-strong-negotiating-position-with-eu/

Subject: BS: Excellent UK Budget!!
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 11:38 AM

Excellent budget from new Chancellor - definitely leader material, johnson must be shitting himself!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Excellent UK Budget!!
From: Iains
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 12:42 PM

Excellent budget from new Chancellor - definitely leader material, johnson must be shitting himself!!!

Hardly. The first Lord of the Treasury is Boris. Do you seriously think the Budget escapes his input and control?The Chancellor of the Exchequer is now always Second Lord of the Treasury as one of the Lords Commissioners for executing the office of Lord High Treasurer

Even a recent Guarian headlines the fact "Sajid Javid's exit leaves Boris Johnson in control of Treasury" if further proof is required.

Subject: RE: BS: Excellent UK Budget!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 12:52 PM

Boris must know there will always be tory knives aimed at his back by wannabe usurpers...

Subject: RE: BS: Excellent UK Budget!!
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 01:14 PM

Er, somehow it has to be paid for...We have a possible no-deal brexit and Coronavirus to screw things up...

Subject: RE: BS: Excellent UK Budget!!
From: Iains
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 01:19 PM

We can shake a couple of magic money trees like labour and employ the abbaccus as auditor general.

Subject: RE: BS: Excellent UK Budget!!
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 01:37 PM

Beat me to the magic money tree reference.
but it clearly demonstrates
the sheer arrogant hypocrisy of the tories...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 05:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozfrKbJk_

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Mar 20 - 05:47 PM

in the above clip Michael foot made some good points, however the uk was not committed to monetary union,

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 07:20 AM

A rather lengthy, but very interesting read here, from Truepublica.org.uk, discussing the causes and cyclical nature of political and social crises, and positing a credible view of the situation in which the UK currently finds itself.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 09:36 AM

The link above is an opinion piece written by a chappie with a qualification in hotel management from worcestersghire university

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 10:00 AM

so then, that's two fine examples of blatant sneery snobbery...

But of course, if "a chappie with a qualification in hotel management from worcestersghire university"
had written a glowing brown nose puff piece for Boris and Dom, published bu guido...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 10:00 AM

so then, that's two fine examples of blatant sneery snobbery...

But of course, if "a chappie with a qualification in hotel management from worcestersghire university"
had written a glowing brown nose puff piece for Boris and Dom, published bu guido...

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 10:02 AM

well something went a bit mental before I'd finished typing and spellchecking...???

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Rain Dog
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 10:03 AM

and vice versa.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 04:46 PM

There is no information about the author at all of that TruePublica article.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 12 Mar 20 - 05:05 PM

Graham Vanbergen
Publisher, journalist and author. Founder and contributing editor of TruePublica.org.uk
Education    University of Worcester Field Of Study Hotel Management

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 03:08 AM

Here ya go, SRS...

On the basis of his reported experience according to that short bio, I’m strongly persuaded that he’s far, far better qualified to comment on financial and political issues that the drunk-driving, criminal, ex-bankrupt, acid-house-party-organiser who publishes a well-known Extreme-Right-Wing blog.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 03:56 AM

It's no matter anyway
Whoever or whatever Vanbergan is changes not on iota the fact that Guido Fawkes is a bankrupt convicted criminal with proven links to organisations which have supported extremism criminality and terrorism
Anyone who uses such a blogger as their own personal Lord Haw-Haw becomes part of what he represents
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 04:06 AM

Why do the left always have to resort to ad hominem attacks? Can you not find any items within his factual content to criticise?

Those that can find nothing to say about the author's articles attack the man instead. Rather ridiculous when you think about it.

If you want a bone to pick on consider Labours bright idea to have the labour leadership election in camera using Covid19 as the excuse for a stitch up so the correct corbyn clone is elected. From Guido of course!

https://order-order.com/2020/03/12/john-mcdonnell-cancels-labour-leadership-announcement/

In Labour, it's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 05:36 AM

Iains:
Why do the left always have to resort to ad hominem attacks? Can you not find any items within his factual content to criticise?

Surely you risk claims of hypocrisy when your only response to a link was:
The link above is an opinion piece written by a chappie with a qualification in hotel management from worcestersghire university

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 06:07 AM

Nigel I merely state his qualifications as listed on his Linked In page.
If he is happy to state his qualifications then I am happy to repeat them. It is a statement of fact, neither positive or negative. Those that wish to read more into the statement obviously have an axe to grind.

Mr Attenborough has a qualification in geology.He pontifiates on climate change after a long career chasing animals.

Most Mp's with a higher education qualification have a humanities degree.
How suited that is to the job of governance is worthy of a thread of its own.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 06:32 AM

with proven links to organisations which have supported extremism criminality and terrorism
Sounds more like a description of corbyn to me!

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/corbyns-links-to-pro-ira-group-were-investigated-by-the-police-37230971

https://thefederalist.com/2019/12/03/u-k-labor-leader-jeremy-corbyn-has-a-long-history-of-openly-supporting-terrorists/

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/maajid-nawaz/maajid-nawaz-labour-politicians-flirt-terrorists/

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 09:32 AM

Can't be much wrong with that in your book if you support a blogger who supports organisations who support a mass murderer of young people
Even Nigel seems to go along with your views - he uses whataboutism as well
Bleeding Tories - who'd have 'em ?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Iains
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 10:12 AM

Once again mr carroll reads the written word and from it he springs a complete fabrication.
An accusation also levelled at you by many others. They cannot all be wrong!

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 10:21 AM

Staines is a convicted criminal, a bankrupt and has links to extreme right wing organisations.

Not an ad hominem attack.

It is a statement of fact, neither positive or negative.

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 10:51 AM

”Staines is a convicted criminal, a bankrupt and has links to extreme right wing organisations.

Not an ad hominem attack.

It is a statement of fact, neither positive or negative.”

Absolutely spot on Dave, it’s all set out here, in all its gory detail. Even his inability to stick to his ‘Business Information Studies’ degree course at Hull College of Higher Education (now part of the University of Lincoln) which he abandoned part-way through.

Not exactly a glowing bio, is it?

Subject: RE: BS: UK Politics - Another Try
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Mar 20 - 10:52 AM

Aaaaaaaaand...100! ;-)