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BS: New news *not* about the virus

Steve Shaw 25 Mar 21 - 01:42 PM
Steve Shaw 25 Mar 21 - 12:49 PM
Donuel 25 Mar 21 - 11:14 AM
keberoxu 25 Mar 21 - 10:27 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Mar 21 - 06:27 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Mar 21 - 06:23 AM
Doug Chadwick 25 Mar 21 - 05:40 AM
Steve Shaw 25 Mar 21 - 05:15 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 01:42 PM

"People with empathy will disregard any such hateful contrayian BS and pity the chronic pain of its author. Countless apologies usually follow the offensive insults in hundreds of cases. Like Trump behavior, it is not likely to change at this point. A belief that being a guardian of truth and precision justifies such behavior is fortunately a rare and narcissistic trait, except in social media.
As always your faithful defender and friend."

You sound jealous... :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 12:49 PM

No-one is sitting on anyone. We have an awful lot of peddled misinformation at times on this website, often in matters concerning science and dietary matters, not to speak of vaccine denial. It isn't good, and it behoves each of us to check facts before posting affirmations about matters scientific. Please don't argue for "say what you like and be invulnerable to being called out."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 11:14 AM

People with empathy will disregard any such hateful contrayian BS and pity the chronic pain of its author. Countless apologies usually follow the offensive insults in hundreds of cases. Like Trump behavior, it is not likely to change at this point. A belief that being a guardian of truth and precision justifies such behavior is fortunately a rare and narcissistic trait, except in social media.
As always your faithful defender and friend.

PS It all goes to state of mind
which is naturally variable and
influenced by events of our time.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 10:27 AM

Disagreeing with Mrrzy is all well and good
-- I do it myself sometimes --
but I don't try to sit on Mrrzy.

And I object to anybody trying to sit on Mrrzy.
They dislike it. Most of us dislike it.
And it makes the sitter look , I have to say,
the opposite of attractive.

So stop it.
Stop trying to sit on Mrrzy, already.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 06:27 AM

And that's not quite what my final version was either. I replaced the pompous "quite advanced" with the word "liberal."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 06:23 AM

That last post of mine is not what I thought I'd posted. Please ignore it and read this one (if you must) instead:

They are characterised as X and Y by virtue of their shapes, Doug, when viewed under the microscope.

I have a very simple point to make here, Bruce, which is that this statement...

"It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromat"

...is fake news. The story behind this matter is complex and unresolved. For a start, there's nothing all-or-nothing about it. About half the planet's human population possess two X chromosomes. Overwhelmingly identifying as females, in other words. At best, a pretty small minority of them are "tetrachromats." That's readily checkable. I'm perfectly happy to concede that you have to have two Xs before you can be one. But it is untrue to say that it's "normal." And I'm not going to quibble about gender matters in this thread. If you'd care to delve among my thousands of Mudcat posts you'll discover that I'm actually quite advanced in my thinking about such things and that I lament the fact that we have such a long way to go to reach the understanding and tolerance which would achieve equality for people who don't identify at one of the two extremes of the gender spectrum, to put it clumsily.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 05:40 AM


They are characterised as X and Y by virtue of their shapes, Doug, when viewed under the microscope.



Erm ..... yes, Steve!

Don't try to confuse the issue with science ;-)


DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 05:15 AM

They are characterised as X and Y by virtue of their shapes, Doug, when viewed under the microscope.

I have a very simple point to make here, Bruce, which is that this:

"It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromat"

...is fake news. The story behind this matter is complex and unresolved. For a start, there's nothing all-or-nothing about it. About half the planet's human population possess two X chromosomes. Females, in other words. At best, a pretty small minority of them are "tetrachromats." That's readily checkable. I'm perfectly happy to concede that you have to have two Xs before you can be one. But it
is untrue to say that it's. Or so to be one


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 25 Mar 21 - 04:39 AM

I object to chromosomes being stereotyped as X or Y. What about chromosomes that self-identify as Z ?

DC


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: beardedbruce
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 10:35 PM

You ignore the presented statement that XX chromosomes are required for this, and that trans males, having XX, would possibly have this. XX, of any sex, and XXY. Or are you stating the trans-males are really women? Isn't that what JK Rowling is accused of?

and it appears to have everything to do with having two X chromosomes, now doesn't it?


For shame


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 10:21 PM

Well thanks for that. So this is nothing to do with whether you have two X chromosomes. But everything to do with whether you have a gene mutation on both of your X chromosomes, if indeed you happen to have two of 'em. So not so "normal" after all. You were peddling bullshit, Mrrzy, innit...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 08:51 PM

Well, maybe next best thing is a link to a different article?

Tetrachromacy: A World of Colour

which says, amongst other things,

"This means tetrachromacy is only possible for most women, who have two X chromosomes, and men with Klinefelter syndrome, who have two X chromosomes and one Y chromosome. Therefore, most men, who only have one X chromosome and one Y chromosome, cannot be tetrachromats."


And if that sounds simple to you,
well, it's Greek to me ...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 08:37 PM

Well you said dad, gal, women and her. Every little helps. Now perhaps we could have a link...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 07:58 PM

To complicate someones deliberate complication further, only women are 12% likely to have the fourth extra color cones that enhance color vision but without training or tests may never know it. The mutation results either in better color or color blindness. If a gal had a dad who was color blind, her chance of having 4 cones is better.

btw All howler monkeys male or female have 4 cones. I wonder if lions have this difference.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 07:25 PM

It could be your cholesterol playing you up.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 06:56 PM

Here you are:

It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromats and see more colors than [what we were taught were typical] trichromatic people.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 04:50 PM

You weren't talking about gender at all but you wittered on about "2 X." Sure you weren't. I'm not on your back. I am simply asking you to say, without contortion, what you actually mean. If you talk in riddles you can expect either derision from those who can't be bothered to process your deliberate obscurantism or you can expect be grilled. And I'm asking you for corroboration, still not provided, for the potentially interesting point you made (made with full contortion and weird words) about gender and colour vision. I did look and I couldn't find it. Over to you, or not. I'm moving on.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 04:00 PM

Right. It *is* about color vision, particularly color vision stuff that is coded for on X chromosomes. I was talking about exactly what I was talking about. Color vision and X chromosomes. Nothing else. Color. Vision. And. X. Chromosomes.

*You* brought in the gender stuff and then [complained] at me for not talking about gender the way you wanted me to *but I wasn't the one talking about gender at all* so once again - get off my back. Even better, admit you were wrong, and apologize.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 12:26 PM

You need to recognise that you are simply fiddling around the edges. The vast majority of people who identify as female are XX and the vast majority of people who identify as male are XY. We know there are exceptions. We get it. But your post seems to be more about colour vision than about point-making about gender. And even then you are unimpressively using words that are hardly in common usage, and you give no corroboration. So back at you with your "So no."


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 09:52 AM

But that is what it IS. It includes XXY people who are male, and typical XX women, and trans men who are XX. So no.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 21 - 06:56 AM

It would be nice to have some kind of a link for that. Incidentally, I honestly don't see the harm in referring to male/female/men/women/boy/girl. I recognise the sensitivity around these issues but you should acknowledge that most people would far more quickly know what you were talking about if you used the conventional terms, flawed in your view though they may be. "People with 2 X chromosomes" doesn't cut it. And, let's face it, that isn't the only obscurantist reference in your post.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Mar 21 - 07:16 PM

It is apparently normal for people with 2 X chromosomes to be tetrachromats and see more colors than [what we were taught were typical] trichromatic people.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 23 Mar 21 - 03:14 PM

possibly new fundamental forces from a tri color boson (among others) are lurking out there. Who knows what is next - understanding gravity?
https://theconversation.com/evidence-of-brand-new-physics-at-cern-why-were-cautiously-optimistic-about-our-new-findings-157464


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 26 Feb 21 - 12:40 PM

Well, Ted Cruz is not new news, so
probably mention of him should be on a different thread,
but I couldn't work out which one.
But honestly,
how foolish can some elected officials be?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Feb 21 - 02:57 AM

very good news, Mrrzy

on a lighter note - Mammoth woolly: Baarack the overgrown sheep shorn of his 35kg fleece Escaped merino ram found on the lam in regional Australia is said to be recovering well.
A rogue overgrown sheep found roaming through regional Australia has been shorn of his 35kg fleece – a weight even greater than that of the famous New Zealand sheep Shrek, who was captured in 2005 after six years on the loose.
The merino ram, dubbed Baarack by rescuers, was discovered wandering alone with an extraordinarily overgrown wool coat, and was promptly shorn to save his life. (read on!)


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 22 Feb 21 - 11:14 PM

Virginia joins the civilized world and abolishes the death penalty.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: keberoxu
Date: 02 Feb 21 - 10:42 PM

True, I could post this in the virus thread,
since Plácido Domingo was stricken with COVID-19 last year.
However:
Domingo just observed Birthday number 80 (birthyear 1941).

His career is one with many lives,
even if he himself has but one.

His career as a tenor has been over for quite some time.
His career in the United States, it is fair to say,
ended with the #MeToo revelations and lawsuits.
Some of us will never see him the same way again.

Mixed feelings and emotions.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 10:36 AM

2017 photo from space of solar storm hitting earth
https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/2101/aurora_iss052e007857.jpg


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Jan 21 - 10:19 AM

Cute inclusion of random beauty, there!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 09:34 AM

Ah. Never mind!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 21 - 07:59 AM

No, I was respondimg to YOUR post regarding cancer.
interesting graphic


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:13 AM

Wrong thread don.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Jan 21 - 10:10 AM

damn virus/altered cells. Maybe the new RNA vaccine method will provide a good direction for cancer vaccines.

I don't think these guys
will help


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Jan 21 - 11:04 AM

Ok this is different: Japanese scientists report cases where babies being born vaginally to women with cervical cancer caught their mom's cancer during said vaginal delivery. It showed up as lung cancer in the newborns.

I read that in Le monde this morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 05:55 PM

Some re too young to know how and when the brown shirts stormed th streets link


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:52 PM

No typo
Don'tread on me


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:47 PM

I can talk, eh.

WashPo reports someone was shot.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 04:44 PM

They have been thrown out says cnn...

I like yoyr typo!


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Jan 21 - 03:05 PM

Signs like Jesus saves and 'Don't read on me' are among trump signs outside the capitol building
Inside they are carrying flags

Its been 2 hours before any police other than the capitol police are responding. hmmm

I don't see any melee or fights


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 05 Jan 21 - 12:23 PM

I can't see out those damn trooper helmets either


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 04 Jan 21 - 08:17 PM

very important article, answering a lot of vital questions ...
Why can’t the stormtroopers in Star Wars shoot straight?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Jan 21 - 01:23 PM

I would change my name.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 12:09 PM

Huge news not about the virus - but that isn't helped by the virus.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/02/us/politics/russian-hacking-government.html

Here's a piece of that article:

Interviews with current and former employees of SolarWinds suggest it was slow to make security a priority, even as its software was adopted by America’s premier cybersecurity company and federal agencies.

Employees say that under Mr. Thompson, an accountant by training and a former chief financial officer, every part of the business was examined for cost savings and common security practices were eschewed because of their expense. His approach helped almost triple SolarWinds’ annual profit margins to more than $453 million in 2019 from $152 million in 2010.

But some of those measures may have put the company and its customers at greater risk for attack. SolarWinds moved much of its engineering to satellite offices in the Czech Republic, Poland and Belarus, where engineers had broad access to the Orion network management software that Russia’s agents compromised.

The company has said only that the manipulation of its software was the work of human hackers rather than of a computer program. It has not publicly addressed the possibility of an insider being involved in the breach.

None of the SolarWinds customers contacted by The New York Times in recent weeks were aware they were reliant on software that was maintained in Eastern Europe. Many said they did not even know they were using SolarWinds software until recently.

Even with its software installed throughout federal networks, employees said SolarWinds tacked on security only in 2017, under threat of penalty from a new European privacy law. Only then, employees say, did SolarWinds hire its first chief information officer and install a vice president of “security architecture.”

Ian Thornton-Trump, a former cybersecurity adviser at SolarWinds, said he warned management that year that unless it took a more proactive approach to its internal security, a cybersecurity episode would be “catastrophic.” After his basic recommendations were ignored, Mr. Thornton-Trump left the company.

SolarWinds declined to address questions about the adequacy of its security. In a statement, it said it was a “victim of a highly-sophisticated, complex and targeted cyberattack” and was collaborating closely with law enforcement, intelligence agencies and security experts to investigate.

But security experts note that it took days after the Russian attack was discovered before SolarWinds’ websites stopped offering clients compromised code.


It's difficult to believe that there is a reputable individual in the world with the last name "Trump." In this case, Ian Thornton-Trump. It looks like he's a Canadian.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 02 Jan 21 - 03:46 AM

New Zealand: hiker who spent lockdown in a hobbit hole


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jan 21 - 03:21 PM

They overrode the veto...


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 08:02 PM

That was fun in the sun


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 29 Dec 20 - 06:23 PM

Wild swimming and the search for Australia’s best waterholes


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 10:36 PM

Never mind. Tinfoil hat brigade.


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Dec 20 - 03:40 PM

What do we think about the Nashville bombing of that AT&T building?


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Subject: RE: BS: New news *not* about the virus
From: Donuel
Date: 26 Dec 20 - 12:45 PM

An observation and not news;
All the worst winter flavors are here like Spiced pumpkin wintergreened cranberry paw-paw. Mmmm plastic pumpkin, Krayzee Krapberry and Extreme Ginger ill. Novochuck swirl is not bad.
Satan will hate to see 2020 end.










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