BS: Brexit & other UK political topics

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 11 Jul 22 - 09:04 AM

Bugger, don't know how that got posted to the wrong thread, sorry Guys!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 11 Jul 22 - 09:34 AM

We forgive you, Raggy: this alleged government's moonshots* should be being documented in the worst-possible-taste-joke thread.

* .... och, write your own definition.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Jul 22 - 05:01 AM

I think they might choose a woman,because they think it might look like a chane

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 12 Jul 22 - 05:50 AM

...it might look like a chane

I assume you meant "change". The name Conservatives suggests that they are averse to change.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 12 Jul 22 - 05:53 AM

They have already had 2 female Prime Ministers, so it would not be too much of a change for them.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 22 - 05:26 PM

As it's so important to get a laugh whenever you can during these tragic times (I mean, just look at that "last eight"), here are two gags I found in the Guardian comments columns this morning:

An Englishman, an Indian and an American walked into a bar.

The barman said, "what can I get for you, Mr Sunak?"



Jacob Rees-Mogg and Nadine Dorries now backing Liz Truss: typical Tories getting it arse about face, two hernias supporting a truss...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 22 - 08:27 PM

I see that fishy Rishi's entourage banned the Guardian's John Crace from his press conference today. Well well!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 02:47 AM

As I commented under John Crace's article, Rishi press people have a poor understanding of media if they think keeping a journalist out of the meeting is going to stop the said journalist from writing an article about it.

In fact, you can be fairly certain that the story of exclusion will resurface again and again until Rishi leaves politics, whether that is six months or six years.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 03:53 AM

who would be the best candidate from opposition parties point of view, p patel?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 06:38 AM

Zahawi has said that he'd offer Boris Johnson a job in his cabinet.

I have no words....p

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 06:44 AM

> banned the Guardian's John Crace

Trying to shoot the messenger, because it worked so well last time. Doing it in public invites the Streisand Effect.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 07:05 AM

offering johnson a job in the cabinet, is a wild gamble, what minstry could he hold.
Zahawi should be ruled out immediately, that might be a populist move but it is evidence of someone who cannot see the consequences of their actions
johnson has shown that his weakness is inattention to detail, perhaps he could be minster for humour

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 07:29 AM

"I have no words....p"

I know that we are living in strange times but I do find that statement hard to believe.

I also find it unbelievable that anyone would offer Johnson a place in the cabinet. I expect him to be off as soon as possible in order to make some money on the lecture circuit.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 09:23 AM

Yes, I accidentally peed on that post. ;-)

I keep asking myself which of 'em would be the best candidate. But there isn't one. As Ian Blackford said in the Commons, they all make Genghis Khan look like a moderate...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 10:39 AM

maybe give johnson defense. Apart from risking total annihilation, at least he would not be in a position to endanger any individuals.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 11:01 AM

how about bonzo for prime minster at least he would look after the welfare of dogs

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: DMcG
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 12:44 PM

Looks like three vaguely sane (Rishi, Penny, Tom) verses three looking far from it (kemi, Liz, Suella)

Too soon for predictions!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 02:53 PM

One prediction that I can make, whoever gets the hot seat: I forsee much back-seat driving and sock-puppetry in the next PM's life. Please see also my update of the parody wot I wrote on the subject in the light of today's events (plus the edit in the next entry).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 03:41 PM

"how about bonzo for prime minster at least he would look after the welfare of dogs"

I'm afraid not, I no longer do suits and ties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 06:19 PM

Latest choices:
The six candidates in the Conservative Party leadership race,
Liz Truss, Tom Tugendhat, Kemi Badenoch. Suella Braverman, Rishi Sunak and Penny Mordaunt

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Jul 22 - 07:13 PM

I think it'll be Mordaunt. Shoot.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 12:48 AM

yes i agree she is not bald, she is a woman [ so there appears to be a change]and she is white,so she appeals to brexiteers who may have racist inclinations, she does not appear to have any skeletons in the cupboard.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 03:56 AM

Could our resident accountant and conservative supporter,B 3LEGS explain who is going to pay for the proposed tax cuts promised by certain conservative Mps involved in the leadership election

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 05:32 AM

(1) Cuts to public services (NHS, Transport and so on), more and increased chares for using services and more backdoor privatisation.

(2) Making claimants more accountable for DWP errors, and probably extending sanctions regime, and further restrictions directed at people with disabilities and long term conditions (anyone who does not fit in with the tory 'happy citizen' branding. Also making UC for those in full time employment more restrictive and not being particularly bothered about whether people can cope on low wages.

(3) Not caring about scorched earth they leave behind if they lose power as they can plough into any opposition party that has to spend money to repair the damage, and if, by any chance they stay in power not really caring as they will fall back to the mantra of blaming Labour for the world-wide credit crunch in 1996 who apparently were responsible for the toxic sub prime lending in America.

(4) Continuing to turn the screws on Local Authorities so they (particularly Labour Councils) get blames for cuts to local services. At the same time, providing a short term capital investment to make high streets look pretty for a while without addressing long-term issues and deprivation.

(5) Encourage everyone to do their 'bit'. Mitigate a tiny percentage of the cost of living and deterioration of peoples lifestyles with comparatively small giveaways, while giving higher paid workers bigger tax breaks to make the average look good.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 05:59 AM

Promising big swingeing tax cuts from day one is a classic example of a direct lift from the Boris Bunter Book Of Big Lies. It can't be done. Well, unless they do what Tories always do, give us a 20p with one hand and take away a 50p with the other (which is why this country has just about the biggest tax burden ever).

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 10:34 AM

”Well, unless they do what Tories always do, give us a 20p with one hand and take away a 50p with the other (which is why this country has just about the biggest tax burden ever).”

Except, of course, they only do that to ‘the little people’ like you, me, and everyone else here. They do precisely the reverse to their wealthy cronies - hence the huge increase in the wealth-gap since 2010.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 11:51 AM

she is white,so she appeals to brexiteers who may have racist inclinations

The first person to make a point of the race of any of the candidates accuses the Brexiteers of racism. Oh, the irony!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 02:16 PM

Nigel, don’t feed the…well, you know! ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 03:07 PM

Mordaunt is an arrogant stupid cow with her gender neutral nonsense

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 03:18 PM

Do you use language like that when you are away from a keyboard?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jul 22 - 04:02 PM

certainly

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 01:28 PM

The thing is Rain Dog, it does get deleted here. Sadly, in real life, he spouts his bigotry with impunity. Until he starts it in a situation where he is likely to get his teeth knocked down his throat of course :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 02:07 PM

So you object to my referring to gender neutral nonsense do you??

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 03:01 PM

DtG, Sadly some people have no concept of how gender equality has been a long fought battle to find its way into legislation, but still has far to go. By categorising people into gender-specific roles, it atill, to this day, applies value judgement where women are considered to be in sub-servient roles.

The other problem, is that garbage like the daily mail, telegraph, express attempts to ridicule any real attempt to break down gender barriers, parroted by the ignorant. The same goes for race, LBGT, disability and most recently transgender. Rather than enter into what is difficult debate reconciling women's and trans people's right, all tory voters can do is reinforce the prejudices and mock any proper discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 03:10 PM

The very same people deny the work that the trade unions have done over the past decades to improve the lot of the working person, whether that be as a banker, a shopworker, a nurse or a labourer.

We have all benefitted greatly from their efforts, sadly some people cannot accept that.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 15 Jul 22 - 04:07 PM

Strange that C4 are hosting a debate to help 358 MPs and 150,000 members of one political party decide how they are planning to affect our lives until the next general election, as if this would somehow be implicit consent by 65,000,000 who have no say whatsoever for their proposed policies.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 05:30 AM

Trad unions exist for very good reasons.
Bonxzo if Mordaunt is elected will you still vote conservative.
In my experience dog shit and dog owners are more of a problem than cat shit, when i walk along pavements it is been my 100 per cent experience, that dog shit is what i have to avoid stepping in., not cat shit, not human shit, not goat shit, not elephant shit not horse shit but dog shit

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:00 AM

Quote of the day

Chosing the next tory leader is like deciding which portaloo to use on the third day of a rock festival

:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:07 AM

We have the same problem Sandman, but not in our street. We are nice thoughtful middle class people here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:17 AM

yes i am sure it is a minority of dog owners that cause the problems

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: peteglasgow
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:45 AM

however a majority of cat owners are not interested in what their pets are doing for most of the time, while they (cats, not their occasionally- interested owners) shit in my flower beds, eat millions of wee birds and wind up my lurcher

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:55 AM

Cats also kill rats and mice, They do not shit on the pavement neither do they shit in my garden, so i have no personal problem with cats

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Rain Dog
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:06 AM

Is that a new version of Nimby behaviour?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:21 AM

Cats do shit on the pavement, I have seen them.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:29 AM

Only in Croydon:-D

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 07:44 AM

Good job we live in very South Croydon!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 10:47 AM

DtG, re portaloos at rock festivals: Nice one, and in appropriate taste.

My brother went to Greenbelt one year: good music, he said, but crowded, and the sanitary arrangements were the (*ahem*) stuff of legend. It was alleged that someone had managed to reserve a large area to pitch his tent in by the simple expedient of putting up a notice saying "SITE OF LAST YEAR'S BOGS".

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 11:32 AM

We are enjoying a Conservative garden party with 2 MPs present!!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 06:30 PM

Competition first prize: a Conservative garden party with two MPs present.

Competition second prize: two Conservative garden parties with two MPs present.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
From: Raggytash
Date: 16 Jul 22 - 08:07 PM

MP's for now perhaps, I wonder if the same invitation would be extended if, and when, they are unemployed?