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Subject: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Joe Offer Date: 24 Apr 22 - 03:56 AM Well, folks, I guess I'm an awful person. I got on Facebook probation because I addressed a conservative as "Miss Smarty Pants." Tonight, I said that we Christians hate homosexuals and women who get abortions even though our Bible says little about homosexuals and nothing about abortion. But that was enough for the algorithms to ban me from Facebook. So I may not be able to post the Singaround notice in the Mudcat Cafe Facebook Group on Monday, but we're still having it. I'll post the link in the Mudcat thread Monday, and I hope somebody will post it on our Facebook page. I'm such a naughty boy.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Ebbie Date: 24 Apr 22 - 04:18 AM Slap, slap, slap. On the wrist, that is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Apr 22 - 04:42 AM oops! when do they let you out? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Apr 22 - 05:48 AM Stay in Jail, Joe. The air inside is much fresher. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: DMcG Date: 24 Apr 22 - 06:10 AM "Miss Smarty Pants"? I am astonished you have not been banned from Mudcat as well for such intemperate language. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: gillymor Date: 24 Apr 22 - 06:16 AM Don't be blue, Joe, look at the company you're in. There's Donald Tru....uh, nevermind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: pattyClink Date: 24 Apr 22 - 08:57 AM I got my account terminated for saying things like "nice specimen" on a mineral group. Was told I violated their rules. Actually I think the algorithm discovered I was not posting photos and details about myself, and it's all about harvesting your data. I wish there were another way for public groups to communicate. Facebook is a big authoritarian mess that is going to be more and more of a problem. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Manitas_at_home Date: 24 Apr 22 - 09:15 AM Newsgroups are still around. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 24 Apr 22 - 09:41 AM This is giving me even more reasons for avoiding FacePalm. Follow the money, folks: the algorithms encourage troll fodder. "Man shall not live by bread alone," an' all that. .... Hm: I don't think you've been confined, Joe --- you've been let out (or perhaps off). FacePalm's gaol is inside out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Apr 22 - 10:27 AM There are several Mudcat members who have been in Facebook jail. They threatened me (and note: if you disagree with their decision they'll block your account) after some innocuous remark on a natural history page. The dictionary has the Meta logo under "800 pound gorilla." Do you want a note added to your Facebook page? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Senoufou Date: 24 Apr 22 - 11:10 AM I posted fairly recently on our village Facebook about Kurt Zouma (West Ham player who videoed himself kicking and cruelly treating a cat.) I said that being an ardent cat-lover, I would like to kick him where it hurts. My post was 'removed' and an admonishing message given that 'this threat of violence was unacceptable'. I was NOT pleased! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Bonzo3legs Date: 24 Apr 22 - 12:15 PM The trick is to scatter some do.t.s so that the words cannot be recognised by the algorithms!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Rain Dog Date: 24 Apr 22 - 01:22 PM Senoufou, was your post removed by Facebook or the moderator of your village Facebook page? The automated removal of posts is a worrying trend. We are living in strange times. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: DaveRo Date: 24 Apr 22 - 01:47 PM Manitas_at_home wrote: Newsgroups are still around.I wondered if there would be anything on rec.music.folk during the recent mudcat outage. But no. Maybe mudcatters resorted to tik-tok? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: robomatic Date: 24 Apr 22 - 01:50 PM D.A.M.N.! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Raggytash Date: 24 Apr 22 - 01:55 PM "Tonight, I said that we Christians hate homosexuals" The question I would would ask is why.....................? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: keberoxu Date: 24 Apr 22 - 02:41 PM See, this is why I don't do Facebook, because if it were me, I would be in a supermax facility out in the middle of nowhere . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Jeri Date: 24 Apr 22 - 03:26 PM Raggy, the clue is in what came after that: "even though our Bible says..." Irony. One must be careful with it, because some people won't get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Apr 22 - 04:10 PM Oddly, I had a post to this thread deleted earlier. I was criticising Facebook (as I do). It wasn't rude or offensive...? Ho hum... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Jeri Date: 24 Apr 22 - 04:46 PM Steve, you won't believe me, but I don't lie. Nothing has been deleted from this thread. Nothing. Consider what else may have happened. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Apr 22 - 05:49 PM This is why I always select and save a copy of my post before sending - it doesn't happen often (knock wood!) but it used to be that messages vanished all the time. It still sometimes happens. Usually that text on the clipboard can go away, I don't post it to a document file, but it's a good practice, just in case. The Nextdoor program moderation in this part of Texas is not consistent, and if you complain about racist remarks that always means they'll complain about you and get your post removed or you'll be chastened; and even if nothing happens to the bigots, it leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Because of this I use it only on rare occasions. I have it set up so it doesn't send me any messages or alerts, I only go into it when I need to find something or post a photo of a stray dog, etc. So I would rank that group as even worse than Facebook. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Helen Date: 24 Apr 22 - 06:17 PM In my last job in a state government department I received an email from the thought police telling me to watch my language because I had responded to a compliment for a job well done with the phrase, "Aw shucks!" I replied and suggested that they check their Disney history on that phrase. I actually think they knew it was a harmless phrase but they were letting me know they were watching me because I had been stirring up some trouble with a manager. (How unusual for me!! LOL) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Apr 22 - 07:10 PM I thought I'd checked that the post had taken, which I usually do. Maybe I didn't that time. Apologies if you thought I was accusing... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 24 Apr 22 - 07:11 PM And I always believe you, Jeri, honest! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Jeri Date: 24 Apr 22 - 08:20 PM Steve, I've had it happen to me, only since I can see deleted messages, I finally figured out I'd typed it but hadn't posted it. (Doesn't work if you saw it posted, but...) Nothing is ever truly deleted from Mudcat. If it's "deleted" it just doesn't. show up in the thread, and can be reinstated by a mod. All messages have their own sequential numbers. If a message were truly and thoroughly disappeared, max would have to re-index the several million messages, and that ain't gonna happen. You can go up to the names of posters in blue above, and if you hover your mouse over them, you can see their numbers. If you really wanted to, you could type in the message number of an older post, and add 1 to it, until you get to now. Deleted messages will just not show up. And on topic - I have another friend named Joe who ends up in Facebook jail every once in a while. Maybe it's a "Joe" thing? I don't know why I haven't been thrown in, other than I mostly hate fighting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Apr 22 - 09:54 PM I'm not on facebook but look at a few political & cartoon sites every night. On occasion facebook sez. 'join up' so I say **** off & close the window & open it again next evening. I also look at 2 cartoonists on Twitter & also get the occasional join up message which I deal with the same way! Strangely enough when I try to look at un-bookmarked facebook pages to check if a shop is open etc, I can't see them at all, maybe due to adblocker or noscript? sandra Krazy Kartwonz Political Cartoons, my favourite site if you want a laugh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 24 Apr 22 - 10:05 PM Yet your link to the cartoons is on Facebook. Funny how that works! Good cartoons - I'll lift a couple! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Apr 22 - 10:25 PM Settle down with a cup of tea/whatever for a good read. I've added lots of his cartoons to my collection over the past few years as I love his work, note the red label on the MAGA character's gun - it says Emotional Support! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Mr Red Date: 25 Apr 22 - 02:29 AM Mist Er-Red got deleted until I produce a utility bill - they want the data. They didn't get it. The sh1ts. I notice that I hit their limit on advertisers. Hiding the advertisers permanently then didn't hide the ads! And I am not sure it prevented re-advertising anyway. You had to look real close because some companies use multiple accounts like Pepsi then Pepsi Lick Smackin, then Pepsi Max to game the system. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Mr Red Date: 25 Apr 22 - 02:33 AM Just a thought, but Joe's complaints in this parish have probably alerted the algorithm, anyone who posts on his Fakebook (sic) page is now attached to his data, or the attachment is now stronger. And the tendrils reach a long way. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Senoufou Date: 25 Apr 22 - 03:22 AM Rain Dog, I have no idea who or what sent me the 'warning message' about wanting to kick Zouma! But 'they' still let me post on the site, so my sin can't have been too shocking. I've noticed however that on other sites, people have absolutely blasted the man and the RSPCA are prosecuting him. But, some people have claimed the remarks are based on racism. (As if the poor little cat was aware of Zouma's race!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Apr 22 - 05:10 AM I try to keep life simple these days. The only places I ever post publicly are here and, occasionally, after Liverpool match reports on the Guardian website. This strategy keeps me out of trouble... ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: G-Force Date: 25 Apr 22 - 05:30 AM It's not just Facebook. Here in UK, when I was working I had a female colleague who tried to send an email to a female friend of hers which contained a line something like "let's meet up and have a bitch about it". The company's (presumably American based) email program didn't like the use of the (in UK) harmless word "bitch". That's globalisation for you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 25 Apr 22 - 05:41 AM Just for a laugh I once started Wordle with "shite" and it allowed it! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 26 Apr 22 - 10:52 PM Well your Zoom meeting seems to have happened without a hitch. Happy customers have reported in on FB. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Mr Red Date: 27 Apr 22 - 12:01 PM This strategy keeps me out of trouble... ;-) I think we have been far too soft in this parish IMNSHO 😏 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 28 Apr 22 - 06:08 PM Hmm. In your case, the NSH bit would seem to be correct. Far better to tell us in plain English what you actually think. Let your speech be yea yea, nay nay. That would be a welcome innovation in your case. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Senoufou Date: 30 Apr 22 - 03:05 AM I do like our village Facebook. It's useful for getting information about local events, problems (eg The whole village had its water cut off when an Anglian Water clown crunched a mains pipe with his digger! And the village BT cables were pinched in the night by copper thieves, causing a total landline outage.) One can ask if any local workman could do a job such as fix a fence or put in a new electrical socket. But I suppose the moderators need to be vigilant, as trolls are around on most forums. (That should be 'fora' but I won't let my 'O' Level Latin impinge!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Steve Shaw Date: 30 Apr 22 - 10:27 AM "Forums" is great. I think "fora" is perfectly ridiculous, affected even. At this rate you'll have me scurrying over to the pet peeves thread! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Senoufou Date: 30 Apr 22 - 12:12 PM Hee hee I agree Steve. Pedantry can get rather tedious and is often just 'showing off' (innit?). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Gallus Moll Date: 30 Apr 22 - 03:39 PM I have been in facebook jail 4 times now...... usually I avoid it by either using obscure dictionary words, or Scots words to express myself. Alas sometines I have a rant and have to accept the consequence.... however I do find it ironic that from time to time one of my 'banned' posts and accompanying photo will pop up, thanks to FB wanting to remind me of something I posted last year, or several.years ago - hahahahaha!!! How does that come about?! If I open it, share it - will I be jailed again?! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Apr 22 - 08:01 PM How long is it supposed to last? Any idea? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Apr 22 - 10:15 PM I think the jail sentence varies. My first was for one day, plus a second day of being banned from posting on groups (but I tried the second day, and wasn't blocked. But for another 30 days, I can post but my posts won't be given some sort of priority. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 30 Apr 22 - 11:00 PM You'd think a human could check in on what the AI is up to, to see if these punishments make any sense. But then they'd have to hire more people to do that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 01 May 22 - 04:45 AM I got two days for daring to parody two lines by John Betjemen, changing Slough to Witham and rewriting the second line so it (almost) rhymes. The algorithm does not seem to like satire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 01 May 22 - 04:53 AM The algorithm most likely picked up the word 'we' in the sentence. If you left that out it would have probably got through. Either that or the algorithm is actively supporting extreme right-wing misogyny and homophobia and targets any post that (ironically) opposes their extreme standpoint. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: MaJoC the Filk Date: 01 May 22 - 12:13 PM Irony passes by many humans, esp in written text; that's why emoticons were invented. Why do you think algorithms, or (heaven help us) Artificial Incompetence, would recognise irony? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 01 May 22 - 12:38 PM I searched on "Facebook jail" and found a number of sites unknown to me with remarks on the subject. And scrolled down far enough to find something from the Wall Street Journal. Inside ‘Facebook Jail’: The Secret Rules That Put Users in the Doghouse The site’s Oversight Board is expected to rule on Donald Trump’s case Wednesday. Breaking Facebook’s rules can mean removed posts and blocked privileges, but a vast number of guidelines aren’t made public. This is from a year ago shortly after they apparently first formed the "Oversight board" (in October, 2021). In Facebook Jail, many users are serving time for infractions they don’t understand. There's more at the rest of the article. This site offers three tips about how to get out of Facebook Jail. "By the time you’re done reading this post, you’ll know how to get in Facebook Jail and how to get out of Facebook Jail. It’s not as scary as it sounds – in fact, there are several approaches to that, so you can return to connecting with friends, using the preventive Facebook cheating app, or just watching memes and videos in your feed." No idea where this is going, it's fairly long, but maybe it will help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: SPB-Cooperator Date: 02 May 22 - 06:16 AM Problem with emoticons is there is no consistent relationship between the image and the tone or subtext they re trying to express. For instance their is no standard emoticon for irony, nor is there an emoticon to represent the degree: humorous light satire, biting sarcasm, closer to the truth than you think, reading between the lines, mirroring, taking a persons argument to an extreme, exaggerating contradictions and fallacies etc etc. Sometimes I have to cover my back to keep myself out of jail by adding (irony). |
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Subject: RE: BS: Joe Offer is in Facebook Jail From: Stilly River Sage Date: 02 May 22 - 11:58 AM It looks like Joe is out of FB Jail - he posted the announcement for today's Zoom worldwide folk meeting. |
