BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 24 - 11:55 AM

Oh well, seeing as my message was auto corrected I may as well claim 400 :-)

Poopycock? I dread to think what could cause that condition...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 May 24 - 10:54 AM

Poppycock? I dread to think what could cause that condition...

399 - someone else can have it :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 17 May 24 - 03:16 AM

I can understand people objecting to his ULEZ rules, and objecting to his preference for cycling (war on drivers). Not everything is ad hominem much is against his actions quoite
poopycock

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 24 - 04:05 PM

The only point being made was that he won despite a long and vicious smear campaign.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:38 PM

”Not everything is ad hominem much is against his actions”

So you agree that, at least in part if not in entirety, attacks by Tory MPs, Tory supporters, the Tory press, and Tory HQ itself, are ad hominem?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:31 PM

Saying that the vile attacks started before the recent elections only underlines the point.
Or makes the point that the dislike of him is not just because he was standing for mayor.

I can understand people objecting to his ULEZ rules, and objecting to his preference for cycling (war on drivers). Not everything is ad hominem much is against his actions.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:25 PM

After a long absence, evidence here that Nigel is alive and well, and still honing his nit-picking skills (and, of course, nit-picking is easier than actually responding to the question).

{{sigh}}

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:16 PM

Nigel, attacks on Sadiq Khan by the Tories and their gutter press friends have been sustained and over a long period. SPBs comment was that he won despite this campaign of smear tactics is valid. Saying that the vile attacks started before the recent elections only underlines the point.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 02:37 PM

No comment on my second linked article then, Nigel - the one that most definitely does refer to the mayoral election, and ad hominem attacks on Sadiq Khan, not by individuals like the thick-as-a-plank 30p-Lee, but by Tory HQ itself?

Here it is again, in case you missed it the first time…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 May 24 - 08:25 AM

Backwoodsman:
Well, Nigel, you could start here - 30p-Lee attacks Sadiq Khan
No thanks necessary, only too pleased to help…

No thanks will be tendered then. That old article predates (comes before) the Mayoral Election campaign, so doesn't help confirm SPB's comments about the mayoral election.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 May 24 - 03:07 AM

In our N Yorks mayoral election I must admit being very impressed by the Tory candidate's manifesto and commitment. Then, right at the end of the leaflet, an attack was launched at the Labour candidate. I doubt I would have voted Tory but had it not been for that attack I would have at least gone to meet him when he visited our village.

I voted for one of the independents.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 12:42 AM

Of course, ad hominem attacks and attempted character assassinations have long been the favourite tools of the shameless Self-Servatives, the party of the greedy and selfish, plenty of evidence in the last few GEs, and they stooped to a new low in the London Mayoral elections - Tory HQ gutter-tactics again…

They have no morals and no shame in their naked lust for power and control, do they?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 11 May 24 - 12:32 AM

Well, Nigel, you could start here - 30p-Lee attacks Sadiq Khan

No thanks necessary, only too pleased to help…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 May 24 - 06:37 PM

Google "attacks on Sadiq Khan", Nigel. You will find plenty. If you want to narrow it down a little try using Tory HQ or Lee Anderson as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 10 May 24 - 02:39 PM

SPB
"I must say that the results of the last three days has been particularly pleasing. Sadiq re-elected as London Mayor in spite of a nasty, ad-hominem, negative campaign against him."

I admit I was not in London, but I saw no ad hominem attacks on Sadiq Khan. I saw attacks on his 'principles', but no attacks based on him as a human being.

I would be interested to see examples of 'ad hominem' attacks.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 May 24 - 02:01 PM

”James O’Brien and LBC’s Political Editor, Natasha Clark, analyse this week's PMQs as Rishi Sunak faced Sir Keir Starmer.

To the surprise of many in the Commons, Starmer announced that MP Natalie Elphicke had defected from the Conservatives to Labour.

'Why on earth are Labour accepting this Tory?'
'He was rattled throughout'
'It's not something you can prepare for'
'She's not destined to become a sparkly jewel'
'It gives Starmer yet another stick to batter him with'
'Starmer's launched a two-pronged attack on the Tory Party'
'This defection statement is seething'
'A third defection to come?'
'They've run out of road'
'Shall we have a little bet?'
'Sunak is slinging out the same old insults'
'The mud isn't sticking anymore'”

James O’Brien and Natasha Clark on LBC, discussing Sunak’s train-wreck in this Wednesday’s PMQs.

Right on the button.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 May 24 - 07:40 AM

Natalie Elphike won’t be a Labour MP for long because, reportedly, she does not intend to stand for re-election at the GE later this year or early next year. She’s undoubtedly a nasty piece of work, but I don’t really believe it’s going to matter in the long run. Thinking about it, perhaps accepting her into the LP is nothing more than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick for Sunak and the ERG mob?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 May 24 - 03:38 AM

Not my idea of a Labour MP, and not a good move IMO. I wonder if, along with many other Labour MPs, Rachel Reeves wants to tell her to “Fuck off” once again?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 May 24 - 05:46 PM

Labour have sunk to a new low.

I still cannot believe this.

Keir Starmer sparks Labour anger with decision to admit Natalie Elphicke

We are living in strange times.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 May 24 - 05:47 AM

I must say that the results of the last three days has been particularly pleasing. Sadiq re-elected as London Mayor in spite of a nasty, ad-hominem, negative campaign against him. Bassam elected as GLA rep for Ealing and Hillingdon, 9 Labour & Co-operative part GLA reps and two Labour Party only (oh well can't win them all!!!). And that is just London!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 04 May 24 - 06:40 AM

Ben Houchen's result is much closer to the 'normal' range than his previous 73%. Even so, I am surprised the Teesport issue was not enough to completely sway the result against him. The people of Redcar and Middlesbrough, for example, certainly were familiar with the claims that were made of dubious sales and contracts.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 May 24 - 06:16 AM

Ben Houchen wins Tees Valley Mayoral election…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 May 24 - 06:15 AM

I was also amused to see Ben Houchen, the Tory Mayor of Tees Valley, was re-elected following a campaign in which he distanced himself from his Party, not even wearing the blue Tory rosette. He continued to eschew the wearing of the rosette at the result-announcement and, when he was later joined by Sunak and congratulated on his win, his body-language spoke volumes about his contempt for his leader and the performance of the government.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 May 24 - 05:25 AM

We now have a Labour mayor in N Yorks. Which is quite funny seeing as the area contains Sunak's constituency:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 03 May 24 - 07:19 AM

Very amusing to see Tory MP Andrea Leadsom on BBC2’s ‘Politics Live’ just now, desperately attempting to apply lip-gloss to a pig over the Tories’ performance, or rather lack of performance, in yesterday’s local elections.

Time the party of selfishness and greed were gone, and for a very long time.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 03 Apr 24 - 06:47 AM

I can still remember the Labour slogan "Thirteen years of Tory misrule" which helped sweep Harold Wilson into power six decades ago*. I'm a great fan (or victim?) of the wave-harmonic theory of historical perception.

* Good grief.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Apr 24 - 01:26 AM

Yes indeed, an excellent treatise on fourteen years of mis-rule, deception, and the populist, three-word, election-winning, slogan.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Apr 24 - 05:38 PM

A long and hard read, kebroxu, but brilliant and truthful. Thank you for the link.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: keberoxu
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 06:52 PM

Here is someone writing for USA audiences about Great Britain.

New Yorker: Sam Knight on fourteen years of Conservative rule

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 31 Mar 24 - 06:34 AM

I've noticed an interesting correlation: the inverse relation between the number of flags visible in the camera shot of a politician, and the number of things said politician has to actually say. In the argot of UNIX error messages:

       EEMPTYBARREL, excess flags error

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 12:40 PM

I must say I do find it annoyong that people object to a flag - be it the Union Jack or the Flag of St George. OK, they have been (ab)used by right wing parties and others but that is not the fault of the flag!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 30 Mar 24 - 05:02 AM

Back on the 19 March I posted on here that I was uncomfortable with the latest Labour leaflets. According to an article in the Guardian, a number of candidates are unhappy as well. Even Sue Gray has reservations.

There was criticism from those at a meeting of MPs from ethnic minority backgrounds, including Starmer’s chief of staff, Sue Gray, and the chief whip, Alan Campbell, of freepost leaflets that were – as one MP put it – “plastered with union jacks”.

Keir Starmer faces discontent as Labour MPs reject union jack election flyers

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Mar 24 - 04:32 AM

Not exactly a maiden speech from someone who has been in the house 3 times before (I think!) is it?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 05:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGCtyISRcRw MAIDEN SPEECH G GALLOWAY

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: DMcG
Date: 19 Mar 24 - 06:46 AM

I just got a leaflet through about the May elections. It is based on a Union flag, and as I picked it up I was thinking something on the UKIP/NF/Reform lines. Then I thought Conservative is more likely.

It turns out to be Labour. Ok, I get they want to reclaim that they are as patriotic as anyone else. But it still jars ...

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Mar 24 - 08:46 AM

That is unlikely

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Mar 24 - 03:16 AM

…or even Northern Ireland?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 05:41 PM

indeed

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 02:15 PM

What about Wales?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Mar 24 - 09:08 AM

Scottish Independence, will it happen? How Will it affect England , and Ireland. They [Yasouf] are talking about reducing corporation tax, to compete with Ireland.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Mar 24 - 04:58 AM

As if to underline the above point, it seems the Fishy Rishi is bringing BoJo back to help win the election. Well, he lied and cheated his way to the top so I suppose bozzer is well suited to fool those who believed his lies last time. Surely even our most ardent Tory supporters on here can see how desperate things are they feel that they cannot win without the blonde buffoon!

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 10 Mar 24 - 01:28 AM

> have the lunatics taken over

Long since. When the playground deteriorates to name-calling and fist fights, those with sense* leave the battlefield, or in this case get kicked upstairs into the House of Lords.

* I would have said "grown-ups", but this is politics we're talking about.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 09:22 AM

have the lunatics taken over

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 08:14 AM

Aaaahh, Kemi Badenoch, one of the chief headbangers of the Headbangers Party, trumpets more Pre-election Propaganda bollocks. Presumably, the feeble-minded shit-for-brains who fell for the Brexiteers’ bullshit in 2016 will fall for her nonsense in 2024…

Badenoch’s bollocks…

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 07:40 AM

> Was there a Daily Express front page article today about
> Brexit being a success?

There was: it was under Kemi Badenoch's byline. If she says it often enough, she might even believe it herself.

I really, really wish I could declare independence from Planet Headbanger.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 24 - 07:06 AM

Was there a Daily Express front page article today about Brexit being a success?

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 02 Mar 24 - 10:23 AM

> as Galloway [is] anything but far right

It doesn't matter if they're extreme left or extreme right, they're extremists. (That's the polite way to put it.) Most people draw a straight line, and map that to people's political affiliations; but it's not a straight line. The original line was circular, to the left and right of Louis XIV. When I explain this in person, I hold my index fingers together, then use them to draw two semicircles in the air .... and the hands meet again at the bottom.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 02 Mar 24 - 04:19 AM

Very interesting to hear ‘Fishy’ Rishi Sunak, speaking in Downing Street yesterday, complaining that there are elements trying to cause division, and trying to destroy democracy, in the UK.

You’re absolutely right, Rishi. You and your party have been doing those things for years - Tory Brexiteering, Islamophobic statements from Tory MPs, deliberately frustrating long-running pay-disputes with doctors, nurses, and railway-workers and blaming them, denying parliamentary votes and pushing through legislation without a vote being taken, spreading anti-protest propaganda, character-assassinations on MPs of other parties, yadda yadda. I’m sure there are more, but those will do for now.

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Mar 24 - 03:35 AM

Well, Gorgeous George is back in the house. Too much of a loose cannon for my liking but certainly a force to contend with and a kick in the nuts for Starmer's Tory light party.

In other news, Fishy Rishi is claiming that Islamist and far right politics are ruining the country. An obvious dig at Palestinian supporters.

Surely, as Galloway 8s anything but far right, the two events are not related are they? ;-S

Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics - 3
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Feb 24 - 01:29 PM

There isn't a valid Labour Party any more, Dick. Tory light look like winning though.