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Subject: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: thosp
Date: 09 Apr 00 - 05:07 PM

i've known this song for over 50yrs and i've just realized that i don't know what shortnin bread is (unless it's another name for corn bread)---anyone have a recipe?

peace (Y) thosp


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Bill in Alabama
Date: 09 Apr 00 - 05:11 PM

Thosp--

It's really another name for what is known in Scotland as shortbread. And it's some kind of good!

Bill


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: sophocleese
Date: 09 Apr 00 - 05:28 PM

1 cup of butter / 1/2 cup of sugar / 1 egg yolk / 2 and 1/4 cups approx. of flour.

Cream the butter and sugar together. Add the egg yolk. Add flour a little at a time kneading the last of it in with the flours hands until dough begins to crack at the edges. Divide dough into two balls. Pat each ball into a round about 6 to 8 inches in diameter. Place in pan. Dot holes in it all over with a fork and cut with knife where you want the pieces to be. Cook at 350 F for about 20 minutes until golden brown at edges. Enjoy.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: sophocleese
Date: 09 Apr 00 - 05:31 PM

That should read "kneading the last of it in with the HANDS" OOps.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Dale Rose
Date: 09 Apr 00 - 05:40 PM

Oh, yes, GOOD hardly describes it. You don't find it just everywhere, but I like the commercial brands made by Patersons and Walkers of Scotland. You got your flour, butter (lots of it), sugar and salt ~~ and for most recipes, NOTHING else!

Can't vouch for it, but here is a recipe for petticoat tails that I found on the internet.

350 g Plain flour (12 oz)
170 g Butter (6 oz)
50 g Granulated sugar (2 oz)
4 tb Milk

Sift the flour into a bowl and stir in the sugar. Gently heat the butter and milk together and as soon as the butter has melted stir the liquid into the flour to make a soft but not sticky dough.

Turn it onto a floured surface and kneat it lightly. Divide the dough in half then roll the halves out directly onto a baking tray into 9-inch rounds using a large plate as a guide. Flute the edges.

Cut out a 2-inch circle from the centre but leave it in place. Divide the outer ring into eight, keeping the inner circle whole. Sprinkle with granulated sugar and bake at 180 oC (350 oF) for about 30 minutes or until golden brown and crisp.

Somewhere I DO HAVE a recipe that I can vouch for ~~ the short bread cookies that they make at the Ozark Folk Center. All I remember is that they are GOOD and have lard in them.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: MarkS
Date: 09 Apr 00 - 07:13 PM

I always thought shortnin bread was just a good ole southern biscuit:
Flour
Lard
Buttermilk
Baking soda and baking powder with a pinch of salt


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Hollowfox
Date: 10 Apr 00 - 06:27 PM

from "The African-American Kitchen: cooking from our heritage (Dutton, 1994, ISBN 0-525-93834-6): 2 cups flour, sifted / 1/2 cup light brown sugar / 1 cup butter at room temperature. Mix into a soft dough, place on wax paper (I'd lightly flour whatever surface I used) and pat to 1/2 inch thickness. Cut into 1 1/2 inch rounds with a biscuit cutter (I'd flour that , too). Bake on lightly greased cookie sheet at 350 degrees (Farenheit), fro 25 to 30 minutes.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: GUEST,schlossfamily@comcast.net
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 08:05 PM

can you send me more recipes of shortnin' bread


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 08:57 PM

There's a recipe for a number of African American dishes in Daryl Cumberland Dance's anthology "From My People,400 Years of African American Folklore" {W.W. Norton & Company, 2002}

There's no recipe for shortnin' bread per se, but there is one from Sandra Y. Govan or "My Mama's Corn Pone or Hot Water Corn Bread"
{pp. 447-448}.

Govan provides commentary for cornpones that sounds like the decription of hoe cakes or johnny cakes and not the rich shortnin bread that Dorothy Scarborough describes in her 1925 book 'On The Trail Of Negro Folk Songs' as being a delicacy that is made with bacon bits and bacon gravy {dripping}.

Govan says " Nobody else [but my mother and me]..likes the thickish, unsweetened mimimalist flat fried bread....While regular oven-baked or stove-top corn bread could be split and buttered, cornpones were cookes without any added sweetener and eaten without any added fat"

-snip-

Govan writes that her mother learned how to make cornpones on an open hearth fireplace skillet from her grandmother who was a slave in Louisiana. While Govan's mother liked to vrumple cold cornpones into a class of buttermilk and eat it with a spoon, Govan considered writes that she considered herself to be more a purist because she ate her cornpones hot or cold, eatedn alone or with homemade soup, chili, or beans-but never with buttermilk..

Here is the recipe that Govan provided [Note-I can't vouch for this recipe]:

Ingredients & equipment:
Yellow cornmeal {do not use white meal}
flour
Salt
1 egg {optional}
i teaspoon vegetable shortning {Crisco}
1 teaspoon baking powder
Boiling water {as much as needed to make thick batter,
consistency 1/3 - 1/2 cup
1 large or medium cast iron skillet
1 or 3 teaspoon of hot oil

Directions:
Sift together two parts yellow cornmeal to one part flour {1/2 cup meal to 1/2 cup of flour; shake salt {scant 1/3 teaspoon approximately}.

Add shortning; then add boiling water.

Stir until shortening melts and mixture forms thick batter {if egg is added, less water is required}

Add in baking powder after mixture cools slightly. Stir quickly, {but not too long} until baking powder is absorbed.

Heat skillet with oil or Crisco.

While batter still hot/warm, spoon out enough to shape several flat oval shaped pones in hand {like mixing mud pies] batter should be thick, or fairly stiff, consistency. Pat doown and srop each pone into hot skillet with melted Crisco. Turn heat down to medium and cook slowly, flipping when edge of pone bubbles and firms up-
pone should be golden underneath. Flip and wait until other side is also deep golden color, not "pancake" brown.

Serve stack of fresh hot cornpones with homemade soup, chili, red beans and rice,, greens, buttermilk etc. {Those raised on Jiffy mix can add a modicum of sugar [1-2 tablespoons] if absolutely necessary, but be warned, such adulteration drastically sffects the "old-time"
taste".   



Azizi


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Azizi
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 09:06 PM

This isn't a recipe, but I just wanted to share that the description of the stack of cornpones reminds me of this dish that my Bajan {Barbados} grandmother made. We called it fried pancakes-made on top of the stove in an iron skillet. But I remember them as being sweet with cinnamon and maybe nutmeg sprinkled in teh batter and on top of the pieces..I remember that we ate them as a treat.

I've seen the same dish at Native American pow wows and at the homes of West African friends..

I wouldn't be surprised if cornpone/shornin' bread is a traditional African recipe [and maybe also a traditional Native American recipe too].

I guess I'll have to try this recipe-but I'm gonna put more sugar than was mentioned in Govan's reipe. And I'll add some cinnamon to the batter too in honor of my Grandmother.


Azizi


Azizi


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Mar 05 - 11:55 PM

Heritage Cashew Shortbread

2 cups sifted cake flour)
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 cup* (2 sticks butter)
1/2 cup confectioner's sugar
1 cup chopped salted cashews
*227 grams

Sift flour and baking powder together and set aside.
Cream butter until soft, and work in sugar with your hands until smooth.
Stir in flour, and, last of all, the cashews.
Chill in refrigerator at least one hour.
Divide dough in half and roll one portion at a time about 1/3 inch thick on a lightly floured board.
Refrigerate other half until needed.
Work fast!
Cut into 1 1/2 inch squares and place on ungreased cookie sheet.
Bake in pre-heated oven 375 F for 15 minutes (best to check this for your oven, etc.)
Makes about 4 dozen.

From The American Heritage Cookbook, 1964, Vol. 2, Helen McCully, recipe editor.
For a different flavor, use roasted lightly salted pine nuts (piñons).

Of course these recipes bear little relation to shortnin' bread, usually made with lard and molasses.
I believe I gave a recipe in another thread, but it is too difficult to search.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: open mike
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 01:58 AM

i should think that the shortning would be more like lard or vegetable fat than butter...that might be too rich.
and fry bread that is native american is usually wheat flour, not
corn, i think.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: open mike
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 03:04 AM

here is a recipe i found online:

Shortenin' Bread

16 Tbsp. softened butter (2 sticks or 1 cup)
1/2 cup brown sugar
2 cups flour
1/4 tsp. salt


Preheat oven to 300 degrees. Beat butter until smooth and
creamy, add sugar and beat well. Stir and toss together flour and
salt and add to the butter mixture. Beat just until completely
mixed.

Turn dough onto a lightly floured surface and roll to a thickness of
1/2". Cut rounds with a 2" cookie cutter. Prick each cookie three times with a fork. Bake for 25 min. or until they are barely colored around the edges. Be careful not to overbake. Remove from sheets and cool on a rack.

Yield: 24

in some recipes it sounds kind of like scones--it is baked
in a skillet in the oven and you "score" it into wedges so
it will break apart into pie shaped pieces.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 12:40 PM

All the recipes I have found (and those posted here) are made with butter. Open Mike is correct, the plantation shortnin' bread was lard and molasses based.
I can't find the proportions. Although mentioned often after 1900, mostly in connection with the song (collected from both blacks and southern whites), no recipes appear.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 01:45 PM

The best information I have found on "shortnin' bread" in the American 18th-19th c. sense is found in this online article, and in the "Dictionary of American Regional English."
"Shortnin' bread" 'was probably a simple quick bread (non-yeast) composed of flour (possibly cornmeal) and fat (probably lard." "...it is unlikely the recipe was for Scottish-type shortbread."

The article includes this reference- Dictionary of American Regional English, 2002, vol. 4, Joan Houston Hall, editor: etymological evidence strongly suggests shortening bread was "corn bread made with cooking fat, esp. lard," also known as crackling bread (p. 926).

In the American South, "'shortcake' or 'shortbread' also meant a combination of cornmeal and grease."

Food Facts
(www.foodtimeline.org/foodfaq.html)


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 01:47 PM

In the Food Facts link above, look under corn bread for the notes on shortnin' bread.


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Subject: RE: recipe req:shortnin bread
From: Gypsy
Date: 08 Mar 05 - 09:58 PM

Well, with my southern fried family..........shortenin' bread was just that........as much 'short'as you could jam into as little flour as possible. With copious amounts of sugar. Think unflaky pie crust......that is sweet. YUM!


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