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GUEST,SIMON 15 Jun 00 - 10:53 AM
NH Dave 15 Jun 00 - 10:58 AM
Wolfgang 15 Jun 00 - 11:02 AM
GUEST,simon 15 Jun 00 - 11:07 AM
catspaw49 15 Jun 00 - 11:07 AM
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MMario 15 Jun 00 - 11:12 AM
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Subject: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: GUEST,SIMON
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 10:53 AM

does anyone know a song with this title? i cant remeber the words at all but i know that i have heard it performed


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: NH Dave
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 10:58 AM

Yes, it is in the database at: http://www.mudcat.org/!!-supersearch99.cfm?MaxHits=1&Command=search&NumLines=4&file=fall99&request=%5BTHE+BONNY+SHIP+THE+DIAMOND%5D

Dave


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Wolfgang
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:02 AM

or if you'd rather have the (incomplete) Dylan version, go here: http://www.maths.univ-rennes1.fr/~dmartin/Dylan/html/songs/B/BonnieShipTheDiamond.html

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:07 AM

thanks alot guys very helpful and quick !!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: catspaw49
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:07 AM

Simon....There are several ways of searching the DT on your own. You can look for the song in the alphabetical list and remember, spelling is everything so there is a long list of both BONNIE and BONNY. You can also enter key words that are not as open to spelling problems into either the DT search box or the forum search which will also search the DT. In the case of your song title, DIAMOND is a good word to use. Also read the FAQ Thread at the top of the thread list for more info.

You now have the link that NH Dave provided, but try these things on your own too. There are almost 10,000 songs in the DT and many lyrics in the threads along with discussions. Have fun.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:11 AM

thanks i am new here so i tried to find it but i failed .


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:11 AM

I haven't heard this song in twenty years. Thanks for the memory jog. SS


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: MMario
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:12 AM

Just as an "oh by the way" Sterling Renaissance Festival tailored a version of this for their pub sings. Biggest difference being that all references to a town were changed to "Warwick" and the chorus (if I remember correctly) to "keep your hearts brave and bold, for the Bonny ship the Diamond is a hunting spanish gold"


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: GUEST,Pete Peterson
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:23 AM

Ah yes. Politically, more correct to be hunting for gold than hunting whales. I think I understand.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: MMario
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:33 AM

nope - whaling industry wasn't as high profile (or anywhere near as developed) in the 1500's as it was later....and the faire is set in 1585


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:39 AM

the amount of acedemic stuff available here is astounding and yet i cant find the version of two sisters i want! also whaling is north american so as the song travels to the new world the ship cant be looking for gold cause until the 1800's there aint none!


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: MMario
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 11:59 AM

English privateers were raiding and capturing spanish ships for quite some time before the 1800's.

Regarding the two sisters variant, I've checked evey dylan site I can find, but haven't been able to spot the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 12:41 PM

Unless of course you consider Mexico and South America part of the New World simon. *BG*

Sinsull, Max played a version of The Bonnie Ship the Diamond sung by my brother and Lime Bay Mutiny on Mudcat Radio on the archived Episode XXXVII of May 31st.

I keep requesting songs by Lime Bay Mutiny to Max, so that those at Mudcat interested in Sea Shanties and Songs of the Sea are represented on the Radio as well. I have been putting in requests for the ones sung by the women in the group, as there had been a lot of requests for examples of female leads in threads that have been posted over the last few months.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Metchosin
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 12:43 PM

we seemed to be posting simultaneously MMario.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 12:48 PM

Thanks. I will check out the Radio site if I can ever get RealPlayer/RealAudio to download. Does it really have to take over an hour? Sorry, I'll take that question elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 01:07 PM

Simon- What version of Two Sisters do you want? I have over 100 of them.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 01:28 PM

here is what i know so far (admitedly this is probably a bastardized version

there was an old lady lived by the sea shore bow and balance to me there was an old lady who lived by the sea shore number of stars there was one two three four

ill be true to my love as long as shes true to me

there was a young man who came..... bow and balance to me ..... the older sister got .....

now ill be true to my love as long as shes true to me

he gave the younger sister a beaver hat bow and balance to me he gave the young sister a beaver hat the older one got mad at that

ill be.....

oh sister oh sister lets walk by the sea


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 01:39 PM

So that we don't wind up with 3 simultaneous threads following the same discussion, the main "Two Sisters" thread is  HERE.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: GUEST,simon
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 01:43 PM

very sorry malcolm argh i dont know what i am doing!


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 02:02 PM

Don't worry, Simon, we've all been there!  Always best to keep things simple, though, where possible.

Malcolm


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Kim C
Date: 15 Jun 00 - 03:15 PM

I have a great recording of this by A.L. Lloyd on one of the Topic records collections --- I think it's Blow the Man Down? (I can't remember the names of my favorite CDs.) I think Dave Swarbrick is fiddling on that track, as well. According to the liner notes the Diamond was a real ship that got crunched in the ice up around Greenland in the 1830s.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 08:01 AM

Tom Hall of Portsmouth and Nottingham, NH has been singing the Lloyd version of "The Diamond" for almost 40 years. Most recently Friday evenings at The Press Room in Portsmouth.

BTW, there's a bit of controversy over whether Lloyd actually wrote the song, but introduced it as traditional. He sometimes introduced songs collected from "old timers" who conveniently died before anyone else could get to them.
No matter what its origins, it's a great song.

Linn the Bat Goddess (and Tom Hall's wife and unindicted co-conspirator in Friday night singing at the Press Room)


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Kim C
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 10:17 AM

Lloyd did not write it, according to the liner notes of the CD I mentioned in my previous post. It apparently is a song of the period.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: BanjoRay
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:01 AM

I don't believe Bert Lloyd would have ever tried to pass off anything he'd written as traditional - he was far too serious about folk music for that.
Cheers
Ray


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 03:20 PM

Several years after this truly great song was written by whalermen who, seemingly, were very proud of her and to be a part of the crew, the Diamond was crushed in the ice and lost -- around 1822 from what I remember.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Just another Dave
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 05:47 PM

It has always been my understanding that A. L. LLoyd was the only person to have claimed "collecting" this song. Except for the fragment in "Moby Dick" (in the Extracts chapter at the beginning: "So be cheery, my lads, let your hearts never fail, While the bold harpooner is striking the whale!") To my knowledge no other printed version of this song has been found -- except for the Lloyd version. If there is an earlier collected version-- I would really like to find it !! It has always been my suspicion that Lloyd expanded on the Melville fragment.

Dave


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Metchosin
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 06:17 PM

Dave Guard of the Whiskey Hill Singers (ca 195?) claimed to have collected this song from Ewan McColl and said Ewan was the only one he had heard sing it.


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 10:13 PM

I thought I got the info in my previous post from the back of a McColl-Lloyd LP !?

Art


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Subject: RE: THE BONNIE SHIP THE DIAMOND
From: Harold W
Date: 16 Jun 00 - 11:03 PM

I would also recomend Roger McGuinn's Folk Den Archive at http://metalab.unc.edu/jimmy/folkden/songs.html

Got to the entry marked December 1998. You will enjoy a Real Audio performance of The Bonnie Ship the Diamond.


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