Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: weerover Date: 08 May 20 - 01:55 PM I think the "Portugese" song is a variant of the Dublin song "The Maid of Cabra West". |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle Date: 08 May 20 - 11:42 AM Or he might have said Clarence Ashley.... |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle Date: 08 May 20 - 09:37 AM They showed the Llewwyn Davies film again the other night, and I'm watching it in bits. It struck me at the first time I saw it, that ' me oh hang me'....song that opens up the film is very similar to one Derek used to do called Blue Ridge Mountain, which he said was from the repertoire of Frankt. Proffit |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Murray MacLeod Date: 06 May 20 - 06:39 PM The song is on Youtube ....Black-White Calypso |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,Big Al Whittle Date: 06 May 20 - 04:09 PM I think its a Jeremy Taylor song, Guest. From his south african period. I have a feeling if you asked Jeremy he could locate it. Or you could try his records. Maybe theres a Jeremy Taylor fan out there who can remember straight away. Derek had enormous respect for Jeremy. I remember a Colin Irwin interview in Melody Maker when he said one of the few times he was starstruck, he had post gig meal with Jeremy and Rambling Jack Elliot. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST Date: 06 May 20 - 09:53 AM Can anyone remember Derek doing a song about Why do all the black girls want to be white and all the whites girls want to be black? It was a reference to the way he observed the girls applying their make up. Would love to hear it and know the chords. it was a great melody too. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,phil m - Date: 13 Jan 18 - 09:01 PM Has anyone out there got the full lyrics to little tin men. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: breezy Date: 16 Oct 13 - 10:37 AM e as a few of his autobiographies still availble, well wurf avin, I got one an itsa gud rede, its as if es talking t u, go get one treetyersef |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: breezy Date: 16 Oct 13 - 10:34 AM at ome in Emel |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST Date: 16 Oct 13 - 01:22 AM He's still gigging? Where can we see him? |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,Chris Newman Date: 15 Oct 13 - 07:40 PM Great to see his name up here - IMHO he's the absolute funniest story teller I've ever heard (or ever expect to hear). Sheer class! |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: breezy Date: 15 Oct 13 - 12:15 PM Saw Jean , his wife, last week . Derek is still with us but hasnt played his guitar in years occasionally plucks his banjo So no improvement there then. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Leadfingers Date: 14 Oct 13 - 07:27 PM Guest Chrissie mentioned 'When the Music Starts to Play' and Piss Off - WtMstP is Incredible String Band , PO is Jeremy Taylor . |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Brian May Date: 14 Oct 13 - 06:23 PM tommo - contact me through a PM |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,tommo brimmo fan Date: 14 Oct 13 - 11:06 AM Hi phil m , yes it was on his first album 'Fire and Brimstone' track 4 side 2. I am currently doing my best to find a copy, I have most of the album on tape that I did in 1970 so quality is not great. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,phil m Date: 07 Sep 13 - 11:40 AM has anyone out there got knowledge of a song played by derek brimstone called little tin soldiers/men? |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Brian May Date: 03 Feb 11 - 03:19 PM Guest: PM me and I'll give you his email address. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST Date: 03 Feb 11 - 03:52 AM Thanks for your recommendation Brian, I will try to track it down. I bought the Very Good Time album in Gibraltar in the late 60's and it still brings back some very happy memories of that time. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Brian May Date: 01 Feb 11 - 01:39 PM His album 'Fire and Brimstone' was vinyl many years ago. I spoke to Derek last year and he tells a funny story that a Japanese company phoned him and offered him a hundred albums on CD. They'd found a mint copy of the vinyl and wanted to produce a CD. Instead of money, they offered product in kind. Faultless. I bought one from him and it is so good. Reminds me of the times I saw him in the late 60s. It's got some classic tracks on it. Well recommended. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,Chrissie Date: 01 Feb 11 - 10:59 AM Why thank you so much Silas. As it happens I was up loading my old LP's digitally onto the computer today and this happened to be one of them. Other tracks are also mentioned above, like "the Gnome" and "When the music starts to play" as well others not mentioned like for example side two, track two "Piss Off". |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Silas Date: 01 Feb 11 - 10:05 AM Derek. Now there IS a candidate for a BBC lifetime achievement award... |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,Chrissie Date: 01 Feb 11 - 09:41 AM If it helps, I have the original vinyl LP "Very Good Time" with the song on track 1, side one. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,JMP Date: 27 Feb 08 - 11:24 AM ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN GET COPY OF 'VERY GOOD TIME' I LAST HEARD THIS WITH VERY DRUNK AUSSIE IN 1973- WOULD BRING BACK MEMORIES OF SIMILAR'GOOD TIMES!!' |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Fidjit Date: 19 Oct 07 - 02:48 PM Ah didn't know that Terry thanks. I heard Derek sing it a few times. It's just surfaced to the top of my bag. Chas |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Leadfingers Date: 19 Oct 07 - 12:14 PM Chas - The Gnome was part of Del's rep , but is not his song - Its another Miles Wootton gem ! |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Fidjit Date: 19 Oct 07 - 11:43 AM Derek songs and humour Couple of Cheapy tracks for you Chas |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Fidjit Date: 19 Oct 07 - 10:41 AM Now I have a golden oldie of Derek's It's not much fun being a gnome. I'm sitting the garden in my little noddy suit Sparrow on my fishing rod and frog spawn in my boots It's pouring down with rain. I got water on the brain But I sit here by the pond like King Canute The kids have knocked my nose off and my beard is geting thin The way that they all treat me well it really is a sin And there's a pidgeon I can see he's aiming straight for me And the gardener strikes his mtches on my shins Long ago I used to be a King upon a throne I met a wicked fairy and she turned me into stone And that is why I sit here in the garden all alone And it's not much fun being a gnome I'm sitting here a-fishing, but the fishes never bite And anywhay it's been so long I've lost my apetite it really is a strain. Here's that pidgeon back again Has anybody got some dynamite? There's a doggy comes to see me every evening after tea I often wondered why he was so very fond of me And then I found out why, he hit me in the eye Have you ever been mistaken for a tree? My earhole's full of cobwebs and my dublet doesn't fit And sitting on this toadstool well, I feel a proper twit The way that they all treat me well, it makes me want to spit And it's not much fun being a gnome So I sit here in the garden in my little noddy suit A sparrow on my fishing rod and tadpoles in my boots It's pissing down with rain I got water on the brain But I'll sit here by the pond like King Canute Rule Britania! I'll sit here by the pond like King Canute. Last saw him live at Cambridge '72. Before that Minehead folk club '68. Regards to Derek. Chas |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Bugsy Date: 19 Oct 07 - 04:26 AM It's not in the DT, nor is it a song that Derek wrote. I was written by Paddy Roberts. If you do a forum search under BETHENAL GREEN, you'll find quite a few, most of which carry the lyrics. Cheers Bugsy |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Mo the caller Date: 19 Oct 07 - 03:34 AM I couldn't find the Ballad of Bethnall green in the DT, am I doing something wrong? |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Nov 06 - 09:09 AM naturelephant monsieur! quand je promenade dans la route, toutes les femmes disaient..... |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Rasener Date: 20 Nov 06 - 03:27 AM I guess you will come and see him at Market Rasen Folk Club next year then WLD :-) |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Nov 06 - 02:48 AM Del's still my hero..... |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: woodsie Date: 19 Nov 06 - 09:08 PM Derek has posted on mudcat several times. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Bernard Date: 19 Nov 06 - 07:34 PM I have just been informed by Andy Clarke that the song was written by luthier Chris Eccleshall... Can anyone corroborate (or refute) this? |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Bernard Date: 18 Aug 04 - 10:08 AM Just for the record, it was not my opinion that Paddy Roberts wrote 'She Loved A Portuguese'... I was singing the song at our local folk club a few years ago, and said I didn't know who wrote it, and Martin Carthy (our guest that evening) told me it was Paddy Roberts, in front of the audience (who also included Les Barker!)... so who was I to argue? Agreed it sounds like a spoof of 'The Ballad of Bethnal Green', but that in itself isn't proof either way. If it was indeed written by Patrick Cogshill, I will update my website accordingly! |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Pete Jennings Date: 29 Jul 02 - 12:27 PM Back in The Stonehouse days in Bristol (UK), I was on stage and Uncle Del spent the 20 mins of my floorspot chatting up my wife. When I got off, he told me I was playing Blues Run The Game (Jackson C. Frank) wrong! Said I was missing out an Em (he was right). A couple of years ago, he told me I played The River (John Martyn) wrong. So, a few weeks later I went to his house and there was one note difference! I first saw him in the late sixties and he's still a star. Pete |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Bullfrog Jones Date: 29 Jul 02 - 08:28 AM Top bloke! I saw him about 33 years ago at my school folk club and then last year at my local. I too bought that folk sampler with She Loved A Portuguese on it, and used to sing it occasionally, usually getting some frowns amongst the laughs at the very un-p.c. line 'So just for the sake of peace and quiet I done her in as well'. I have to admit to doing something I never normally do -- I changed the lyric slightly, replacing Brixton with Wormwood Scrubs, just to confound those who can see the obvious rhyme coming. The song always sounded to me like a spoof of those Paddy Roberts ballads, so maybe that's why the confusion arose. It would be nice to think that we could track down Patrick Cogshill and at least pay tribute if not royalties. BJ |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,Lanfranc at the orifice Date: 29 Jul 02 - 06:13 AM Sorry, Bernard Cromarty is definitely WRONG! Paddy Roberts wrote "The Belle of Barking Creek" and "The Ballad of Bethnal Green", which have very similar melodies, but he did not write "She Loved a Portugee". As previously stated, as far as is known, it was written by Patrick Cogshill, who probably never made a penny out of it! I assume that MCPS, PRS etc have huge pots of unclaimed royalties owed to people like him. Alan |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Skipper Jack Date: 29 Jul 02 - 06:02 AM Derek a very funny man indeed. If you are In South Wales in October, Derek will be at The Halfpenny Folk Club in Oldwalls , North Gower on the 27th. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Jim Dixon Date: 28 Jul 02 - 02:12 PM Bernard Cromarty, who also recorded SHE LOVED A PORTUGUESE, says that Paddy Roberts wrote it. Click here. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Snuffy Date: 17 Jul 00 - 07:39 PM Link doesn't work. Try again You can see Derek Brimstone at the Bromyard Folk Festival, Sept 15-17, along with Eric Bogle, Sid Kipper, and many others including ME dancing with Shakespeare Morris Men. More details at bromyard-folk-festival.org.uk Wassail! V
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Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: katlaughing Date: 16 Jul 00 - 01:17 AM Bugsy! That is so great! Sure am glad you sang his song for us in HearMe! Wonderful thread, you guys! kat |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Bugsy Date: 16 Jul 00 - 12:42 AM Just received an email from Big Del today. The part of interest to Mudcat is as follows. ".....'Portuguese' was written by a chap called Patrick Cogshill. He was a student at Exeter university and he did a floor spot at my gig there - sang three brilliantly funny songs that he'd written - and that was one of them. He dictated the words to me - (I wish I'd got the other two, they were just as good)- and the rest is history. I never saw, or heard from him again - just sort of immediately lost touch, although I attributed the song to him on my first album" Derek says he'll try to check out the Mudcat forum as soon as he gets a spare few minutes. Cheers
Bugsy |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Lanfranc Date: 14 Jul 00 - 06:08 PM I've just been speaking to Derek on the 'phone, and he says that he uses the Mudcat as a source, but doesn't get involved in the forum. This may change. He did remind me of the name of the writer of the "Portugee" but I've forgotten it again! Do I come here often? It wasn't Miles Wootton - that was the Gnome song. |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST Date: 14 Jul 00 - 12:55 AM Must remember to look up FRISSON..... |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Lanfranc Date: 13 Jul 00 - 06:29 PM You're repeating yourself, Liz! Seems the effects are still with you, virtually! |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Liz the Squeak Date: 13 Jul 00 - 04:05 PM There speaks a person who has never drunk 4 pints of Tanglefoot and eaten a big plate of vegetarian curry..... I had to leave three rooms to get away from it. I think that is what encouraged me to return to being an omnivore... LTS |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: Liz the Squeak Date: 13 Jul 00 - 04:05 PM There speaks a person who has never drunk 4 pints of Tanglefoot and eaten a big plate of vegetarian curry..... I had to leave three rooms to get away from it. I think that is what encouraged me to return to being an omnivore... LTS |
Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST,AFatOffice Date: 13 Jul 00 - 11:27 AM Yeah, Bugsy, it's called the Folk Process or the aural transmission method (sounds like a form of contraception put like that!) Some changes are for the better, some not. Being an ageing pedant I tend to tidy up the grammar of songs sometimes. The point of the "run amuck" and "Dog & Duck" line is that it gives the audience a frisson that the second rhyme might be something else - very Brimstone! Until Del deigns to join us - one of my favourite Brimstoneisms - "Children are like farts, your own are OK, but other peoples ......!"
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Subject: RE: Derek Brimstone songs From: GUEST Date: 13 Jul 00 - 09:43 AM Alan Typically. What is sang today is not what is sang tomorrow. I joined the army in 1963 and I think I bought an LP record in Germany with the 'Portugese'on it. Again from memory it was of various artists. Twenty years later I dug out the record and copied the words Derek sang. My friend sang them at our Folk Club in, would you believe, Papua New Guinea, in 1984. He too became a fan and went to see Derek in UK when he returned. BUGSY I, and no doubt many others, would be delighted if Derek joined into a Mudcat chat. |
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