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GUEST,American WashTub Bass 01 Feb 01 - 09:13 AM
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Lonesome Gillette 01 Feb 01 - 09:26 AM
Jacob B 01 Feb 01 - 09:29 AM
Cap't Bob 01 Feb 01 - 09:43 AM
GUEST,chris (no relation to catspaw) 01 Feb 01 - 10:07 AM
GUEST,Mike Billo 01 Feb 01 - 10:10 AM
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GUEST,washtubbass.go.coolebiz 01 Feb 01 - 05:47 PM
Bert 01 Feb 01 - 06:15 PM
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Subject: washtub bass
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:10 AM

anybody out there making washtub basses?


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,American WashTub Bass
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:13 AM

SURE!!!!!! Go to >>> washtubbass.go.coolebiz.com <<<

hee-haw/ Chris (i'll give ya a break)


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,SPAM + CHEEZ WIZ
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:14 AM

cool.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Lonesome Gillette
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:26 AM

I was in Italy this summer and ran into a Skiffle band from England and they had a "Tea Chest Bass", like a washtub bass but uses a 2-3' square box insted of the washtub. It was surprisingly loud. Never saw one before. I guess we don't have tea chests in my neighborhood.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Jacob B
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:29 AM

Here's a blue clicky to the American Washtub Bass site mentioned above.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Cap't Bob
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:43 AM

Well, er... I don't know about the washtub bass, however if you are interested in a GARBAGE CAN BASS check out the following website:

http://www.ehhs.cmich.edu/~dhavlena/bass.htm

Be sure to check on the illustration. I tried one of these last summer and they have a great sound and are easy to play. An added advantage is that they are easier to transport especially if you have a small car. Just two days ago while I was buying "Dremel" at the hardware I checked out the garbage can section. Most likely my next project will be the Garbage Can Bass. I can use the dremel to carve something on the end of the neck.

Cap't Bob


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Subject: American WashTub Bass
From: GUEST,chris (no relation to catspaw)
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 10:07 AM

cool... and THANX... did that tea chest bass have something that resonates? sounds hip.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,Mike Billo
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 10:10 AM

I make 'em and play 'em. Check out my site at http://www.homestead.com/oldmusic/Bucket.html for a diagram.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,chris
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 10:41 AM

very cool... nice stuff.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 11:52 AM

I was wondering.

Are Tea Chests still used in Britain? From other posts, it sounds like they were/are made of wood. Were any of them made out of tin or another type of metal?

JAB


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Lonesome Gillette
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 03:48 PM

The one I saw (Tea Chest Bass) must have been a plywood box with metal corners, and one side, the bottom, was open I assume to allow the thing to resonate better. I don't know if it was a real tea chest or just a plywood box. I thought it must be plywood because it was fairly large and took a beating and had no cracks, these guys whaled on their instruments! They are from Cardif and are called "Railroad Bill", very fun bunch. The string was attached to the center of the top of the box and went up to the top of the neck like on a washtub bass. There was another band at the same festival in italy that also had a tea chest bass, they were playing an interesting accordian/blues mish-mash, made me think they might be fairly common in Europe, but I really don't know.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,washtubbass.go.coolebiz
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 05:47 PM

WOW... very cool stuff... gonna try to make one withh 3/4" plywood sides... and 1/4" louan top... absolute square, with a hole near the bottom-front.

excelciore!


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Bert
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 06:15 PM

Tea chests were made with plywood that was 1/4 inch thick or less. The bottom was removed because that was really the top and it was removed to get the tea out. They were bound with tin (tin plated sheet steel). The inside corners were braced with lumber about 1" X 1".
You might find that Louan ply would be too soft to resonate well. How about birch? Or maybe even a doorskin would do but that might need bracing, which would add more complexity than it is worth.

Bert.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,chris
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 09:52 PM

WoW! very cool, Thanx. I was thinkin of "thin" top for flexability, probably try a few difrnt tops... sheet metal/ or birch...thanx... i'm serious, dunno why... this "one string" bass just speaks to me. i dig it... tuck the pole between my left shoulder and neck, to pluck with 2 hands, leaning back-n-forth for notes... i'm gettin pretty good at it... just startin with a "bow"... and thats a whole difrnt realm.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Blackcatter
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 10:12 PM

There was just another thread on washtub basses just a while back and a great one last year - look into the thread histories.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,chris
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 10:41 PM

aaAAiiight.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Lonesome Gillette
Date: 01 Feb 01 - 10:44 PM

The band I saw using the Tea Chest packed all their smaller equipment and cd's, etc... into the bass and it had handles on the sides, became a road case while not being thumped, they even sent it thru baggage on the flight as a equipment case.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,washtubbass.go.coolebiz.com
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 05:57 AM

soooooo, once again, everything has changed. cool...


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,Roger the skiffler
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 06:49 AM

If you hadn't had that little incident in Boston harbour you could have been using teachests over the pond as well!
They are increasingly rare here now, removal firms used to use them but now with plastic crates and specialist cardboard boxes no-one seems to use teachests. I suppose the teabag industry has done away with their primary purpose as well.

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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: reggie miles
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 09:51 AM

Wow, I could have sworn that I had posted a rather lengthy post above, just after Mike Billo's, and now it's not there. The point of my post was that a bass drum works much better than a tub for a washtub bass. But then you may have to call it something else. How about a bass drum bass.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Tinker
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 12:48 PM

Cap't Bob-- Looks really fun. We've got Weblo Scouts who just finished making Catspaw dulcimers/banjos. They attached cookie tins as resonators. Perhaps I can convince my handy dad to add one of these for camp!

Tinker


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Bert
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 12:52 PM

Tinker, you're not really suggesting a 'bass' stick dulcimer are you - complete with metal garbage can as resonator?


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,CHRIS
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 09:25 PM

you guys ARE real. bass drum bass... Dulci-T-Chest... i'm diggin the 1 String-suit case Bass...


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Lonesome Gillette
Date: 02 Feb 01 - 10:00 PM

ya know what's a little sad, all the cool folk kitchen-style home made instruments wouldn't make sense on modern home equipment. What instrument could you make with a microwave oven? or a computer keyboard... I did come up with a electric drum machine a few years back. It consisted of a washingmachine gearbox and motor attached to a couple drum beaters and a heavy rubber hose, it was awesome, like a flailing octapus whaling on some old drums. I even did some gigs with it as my drummer. After one of these gigs I was at a thanksgiving dinner with some people I didn't know and one of them told a funny story of this guy they saw at a local bar who had this obnoxious machine that hit drums (hehe), she said she and her friends had to leave the bar, they couldn't stand it.

eric


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,chris
Date: 03 Feb 01 - 03:11 AM

i saw this cat,"Craw Daddy", at the Soup Kitchen Saloon in Dec. He was performing Robert Johnsons 29 songs, makin/sellin popcorn from a microwave on stage... DURING HIS PERFORMANCE! His "wi" made it work.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,chris---above thread---
Date: 03 Feb 01 - 08:11 AM

sorry about "wi"... meant to say "his wit made it work"... He said he was combining "modern technology" with the "natural blues"...


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: reggie miles
Date: 03 Feb 01 - 11:05 AM

In the post that disappeared above I told some background about why the idea of a bass drum worked soooooo much better than a steel tub to give a similar but much superior result. The sensitivity of a drum head allows the player to use less physical effort therefore it is more easily played and produces volume and tone that just can't be coaxed from the bottom of a steel tub. It is as visually strong an element, if not more so, to witness in a performance, as it is played in the same way one would play any other tub type bass. You just get a whole heck of a lot more boing for your plunk using a bass drum body instead of a steel washtub. How do I know this? I've performed with those who play with traditionally designed tubs, (steel washtubs). I have also worked with some very fine upright bassists but none can hold a candle to my friend Dr. James Rhythm. He's the first and only guy I've ever seen or heard use a bass drum body tub-style bass. He used a small diameter, (about 24 inches), rock&roll kick bass drum for ease of mobility. He used only one head on the body. The bottom was open, as a steel tub would be open on one end. In just about every other way his tub design was standard except when it came to putting a hole through the center of the drum head so as to attach the string. For this he reinforced the head by gluing leather patches on either side. The patches were about three inches in diameter. This reinfocing gave the head enough strength to resist tearing while playing. As I mentioned earlier, the force needed to play his design was not nearly what is needed in a traditionally constucted tub. Dr. James Rhythm played in a similar fashion to Fritz Richmond. They both work their stick hands up and down the stick or fret the stick as well as pull it to achieve the desired results.

The good Dr. J. and I had a chance to perform together about 18 years ago in New Orleans during the Mardi Gras/Jazz and Hertiage Fest season. I was invited to join up with his band Washboard Jackson and His Hot Damn Jug Band. We played some wonderful shows including the Jazz Fest that year. Oh how I wax on.....

There you go tubbists. For what it's worth, in 18 years of singing his praises, I have yet to convince another tub player to develope a design similar to what my friend Dr. James Rhythm had. I guess I'll have to do it myself........and so he did. reg


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: Lonesome Gillette
Date: 03 Feb 01 - 03:04 PM

There's a guy up here in Boston, been playing a long time, calls himself Washtub Robbie, he plays a bass made with a bass drum too. Sounds similar to the one you describe Reggie. He played a lot with a slide player named Kenny who was pretty popular here and has since moved to New Orleans himself. Robbie now plays in a great old time string/rock and roll band called Twang (most of the members were in the bands "The Chicken Chokers" and "The Primitive Characters")


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,l
Date: 03 Feb 01 - 05:18 PM

I made one out of a kitchen sink, but it didn't work at all.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: reggie miles
Date: 03 Feb 01 - 08:28 PM

Dr. James Rhythm and everyone else in Washboard Jackson's Hot Damn Jug Band were transplants from the Oswego, New York area if memory serves me, except Washboard Jackson, he was from Oklahoma. I haven't heard much from any of the guys in that combo for a long time but recently bumped into Jackson, via the web, who has since moved to Florida and performs with a band called Hubba Hubba. I understand the jugsters still get together for an annual jug band event in the Northeast. I wish I could attend.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,catdog
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 10:06 AM

where and when in the northeast


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,Mike Billo
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 10:11 AM

The anual Battle of the Jug Bands is in February in Mineapolis Minn. and a competing event is held in Duluth. Greetings Reggie!


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,catdog
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 11:50 AM

can you give me a # to contact the event in MINN.?


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,catdog
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 11:52 AM

can you give me a # to contact the event in MINN.?


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,chris
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 11:54 AM

dig... washtubbass.go.coolebiz.com


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: reggie miles
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 01:39 PM

Hey Mike, it's been too long.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,Mike Billo
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 03:52 PM

The most recent email and number I have for the Minn. event is, ragswag@www.coinc.com

or by phone 612-724-7924

both of these could be out of date so a web search might help.

BTW, Minnesota in February is not for the faint of heart. A million below zero and wind that can carry away a large man.

I guess we jugband musicians are a hearty lot.


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
From: GUEST,chris (washtubbass.go.coolebiz.com)
Date: 04 Feb 01 - 10:09 PM

cool (real). gotta get there.


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From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 01 - 05:49 AM


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Subject: RE: washtub bass
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Date: 06 Feb 01 - 08:09 AM


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